absane 0 #1 February 26, 2011 Here's the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230589345698&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT To sum it up... the seller is reputable. Vector V-5 (1988 brand new) with < 100 jumps Falcon 215 with ~ 125 jumps Raven 2 with 1 ride Been in storage ever since. Looking at the photos, it looks new for a rig that's 23 years old. Question... would this be safe for a first rig? And for the price that it's at now, is it worth it?Don't forget to pull! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #2 February 26, 2011 that rig is ridiculously overpriced and will need a few mods to make it acceptable for use. It will still not be good for freeflying, and will have a very crappy resale value. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
absane 0 #3 February 26, 2011 Quotethat rig is ridiculously overpriced and will need a few mods to make it acceptable for use. What would be a more acceptable price for such a rig? And what sort of mods would it need? Just scouting around... I find that researching used vehicles is easier than this. Thank you :)Don't forget to pull! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wolfriverjoe 1,523 #4 February 26, 2011 Quote Here's the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230589345698&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT To sum it up... the seller is reputable. Vector V-5 (1988 brand new) with Falcon 215 with ~ 125 jumps Raven 2 with 1 ride Been in storage ever since. Looking at the photos, it looks new for a rig that's 23 years old. Question... would this be safe for a first rig? And for the price that it's at now, is it worth it? Clickified. $1800?!?!? Worth it? No. The Falcon is an F-111 main and is only good for a few hundred jumps. The Vector doesn't even have a BOC. It's a leg pouch. (one mod that will need to be done) I kinda doubt it has an AAD pocket in it. I'm really curious who is bidding it up that high. Maybe the seller has a couple accounts. I don't know anybody that would go more than a few hundred for it. If you want to see what gear is worth, take a look through the classifieds on here, or look at the major retailers (SQ1, Chutingstar, ect). Seriously, that's some real "gutter gear". You could do a lot better for a lot less."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites phoenixlpr 0 #5 February 26, 2011 QuoteQuestion... would this be safe for a first rig? And for the price that it's at now, is it worth it? Hell no, hell no. That worths a d1ck. Stay away from any rig older than 15 years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hcsvader 1 #6 February 26, 2011 This one is a much better deal http://cgi.ebay.com/complete-skydiving-rig-main-reserve-and-harness_W0QQitemZ120689204822QQcategoryZ106980QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m8QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DMW%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D7369346356358002927#ht_500wt_1156Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites davelepka 4 #7 February 26, 2011 The reserve is a good, functional piece of gear. You could jump that in a rig for years and be happy with it. The container is in need of mods to be useful by today's standards, and even then it would not be a good freefly rig. The main will have a limited useful life due to being F-111, so if the jump numbers are lower and your WL would be 1 to 1 or less, it would be useful for you up to a point. Eventually the jump numbers will suck the life out of it and it will have zero value. All of that aside, never ever never never never buy used parachute gear unless it has been inspected and approved by a rigger you know, or a rigger someone close to you knows and trusts. A repack 4 months ago is not applicable as anything could have happened in the last four months, and the inspection at the time of a reserve repack varies from rigger to rigger, and most do not include the main. What you need is a complete pre-purchase inspection of all components with zero jump since the inspection, so you know you're getting what the rigger saw. How you work that ouy between you, the seller, and e-bay is anyone's guess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites councilman24 37 #8 February 27, 2011 I don't own any gear less than 14 years old! Except AAD's. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites absane 0 #9 February 28, 2011 Thanks for the help guys. I actually learned a lot about pricing rigs and what could very well be crap. Looks like someone bought it for $1,900, too.Don't forget to pull! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites absane 0 #10 February 28, 2011 QuoteWhat you need is a complete pre-purchase inspection of all components with zero jump since the inspection, so you know you're getting what the rigger saw. How you work that ouy between you, the seller, and e-bay is anyone's guess. I suspect that one could win the auction and have the rig mailed to the local rigger for inspection. If it's a "go" by him, then the transfer of funds can commence. Though, I think that eBay has certain rules about paying within a certain time frame. However, I do most of my searching for rigs here on this site in the classifieds.Don't forget to pull! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites likestojump 3 #11 February 28, 2011 QuoteQuoteWhat you need is a complete pre-purchase inspection of all components with zero jump since the inspection, so you know you're getting what the rigger saw. How you work that ouy between you, the seller, and e-bay is anyone's guess. I suspect that one could win the auction and have the rig mailed to the local rigger for inspection. If it's a "go" by him, then the transfer of funds can commence. Though, I think that eBay has certain rules about paying within a certain time frame. (and yes, I have personally gotten 3 refunds using Buyer Protection - one for the item not as described, and 2 for the items never shipped) However, I do most of my searching for rigs here on this site in the classifieds. I find it hard to believe that any eBay seller is willing to ship a product before getting paid. However, eBay does offer great consumer protection, and if the product is not as described they will get you a refund after you prove return delivery. This is a recent change with them, and makes their protection on par with what credit cards offer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites absane 0 #12 February 28, 2011 QuoteI find it hard to believe that any eBay seller is willing to ship a product before getting paid. You're right... though I was hoping that one skydiver would be willing to work with another in some way. It's one thing to buy a cell phone on eBay and be dissatisfied with it... it's quite another to buy a lifesaving device that's unsatisfactory. But, then again.. they are selling rigs on eBay... the hidden message might be "trust me, it's a good rig sight unseen." lol. QuoteHowever, eBay does offer great consumer protection, and if the product is not as described they will get you a refund after you prove return delivery. This is a recent change with them, and makes their protection on par with what credit cards offer. Very true... though I do need to research the exact terms and conditions for the buyer protection program. I hope that the first rig I buy is available for me to try before I buy. Or, I'll just buy a rig from the DZ's stock.Don't forget to pull! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NWFlyer 2 #13 February 28, 2011 QuoteBut, I hope that the first rig I buy is available for me to try before I buy. Then might I recommend putting eBay farther down on your list of places to look? I'd start with your local DZ - ask around, see if anyone's got anything lying around in a closet that they're not currently using or anything that they're actively trying to sell. Next, look at the classifieds here. Yes, as a free service, it doesn't come with the buyer protections that eBay has, but what it does come with a higher likelihood that the person selling the gear is or was a skydiver (sure, there are scammers here, but in general they are well managed by the site management, and often with a few questions back and forth it's pretty obvious who's legit and who's full of shit). Another option would be to contact gear stores and dealers. Many of them deal in used gear and have good leads on available gear. The overwhelming majority of them will provide great service, help you to choose the right gear, and will be able to evaluate the quality of the gear and ensure that it's priced fairly."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Krip 2 #14 February 28, 2011 Quote I don't own any gear less than 14 years old! Except AAD's. +1 except the AAD wasn't jumping enough to make it worth the $$$. Gotta enjoy the urban legends.One Jump Wonder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #4 February 26, 2011 Quote Here's the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230589345698&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT To sum it up... the seller is reputable. Vector V-5 (1988 brand new) with Falcon 215 with ~ 125 jumps Raven 2 with 1 ride Been in storage ever since. Looking at the photos, it looks new for a rig that's 23 years old. Question... would this be safe for a first rig? And for the price that it's at now, is it worth it? Clickified. $1800?!?!? Worth it? No. The Falcon is an F-111 main and is only good for a few hundred jumps. The Vector doesn't even have a BOC. It's a leg pouch. (one mod that will need to be done) I kinda doubt it has an AAD pocket in it. I'm really curious who is bidding it up that high. Maybe the seller has a couple accounts. I don't know anybody that would go more than a few hundred for it. If you want to see what gear is worth, take a look through the classifieds on here, or look at the major retailers (SQ1, Chutingstar, ect). Seriously, that's some real "gutter gear". You could do a lot better for a lot less."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #5 February 26, 2011 QuoteQuestion... would this be safe for a first rig? And for the price that it's at now, is it worth it? Hell no, hell no. That worths a d1ck. Stay away from any rig older than 15 years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hcsvader 1 #6 February 26, 2011 This one is a much better deal http://cgi.ebay.com/complete-skydiving-rig-main-reserve-and-harness_W0QQitemZ120689204822QQcategoryZ106980QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m8QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DMW%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D7369346356358002927#ht_500wt_1156Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #7 February 26, 2011 The reserve is a good, functional piece of gear. You could jump that in a rig for years and be happy with it. The container is in need of mods to be useful by today's standards, and even then it would not be a good freefly rig. The main will have a limited useful life due to being F-111, so if the jump numbers are lower and your WL would be 1 to 1 or less, it would be useful for you up to a point. Eventually the jump numbers will suck the life out of it and it will have zero value. All of that aside, never ever never never never buy used parachute gear unless it has been inspected and approved by a rigger you know, or a rigger someone close to you knows and trusts. A repack 4 months ago is not applicable as anything could have happened in the last four months, and the inspection at the time of a reserve repack varies from rigger to rigger, and most do not include the main. What you need is a complete pre-purchase inspection of all components with zero jump since the inspection, so you know you're getting what the rigger saw. How you work that ouy between you, the seller, and e-bay is anyone's guess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #8 February 27, 2011 I don't own any gear less than 14 years old! Except AAD's. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
absane 0 #9 February 28, 2011 Thanks for the help guys. I actually learned a lot about pricing rigs and what could very well be crap. Looks like someone bought it for $1,900, too.Don't forget to pull! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
absane 0 #10 February 28, 2011 QuoteWhat you need is a complete pre-purchase inspection of all components with zero jump since the inspection, so you know you're getting what the rigger saw. How you work that ouy between you, the seller, and e-bay is anyone's guess. I suspect that one could win the auction and have the rig mailed to the local rigger for inspection. If it's a "go" by him, then the transfer of funds can commence. Though, I think that eBay has certain rules about paying within a certain time frame. However, I do most of my searching for rigs here on this site in the classifieds.Don't forget to pull! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #11 February 28, 2011 QuoteQuoteWhat you need is a complete pre-purchase inspection of all components with zero jump since the inspection, so you know you're getting what the rigger saw. How you work that ouy between you, the seller, and e-bay is anyone's guess. I suspect that one could win the auction and have the rig mailed to the local rigger for inspection. If it's a "go" by him, then the transfer of funds can commence. Though, I think that eBay has certain rules about paying within a certain time frame. (and yes, I have personally gotten 3 refunds using Buyer Protection - one for the item not as described, and 2 for the items never shipped) However, I do most of my searching for rigs here on this site in the classifieds. I find it hard to believe that any eBay seller is willing to ship a product before getting paid. However, eBay does offer great consumer protection, and if the product is not as described they will get you a refund after you prove return delivery. This is a recent change with them, and makes their protection on par with what credit cards offer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
absane 0 #12 February 28, 2011 QuoteI find it hard to believe that any eBay seller is willing to ship a product before getting paid. You're right... though I was hoping that one skydiver would be willing to work with another in some way. It's one thing to buy a cell phone on eBay and be dissatisfied with it... it's quite another to buy a lifesaving device that's unsatisfactory. But, then again.. they are selling rigs on eBay... the hidden message might be "trust me, it's a good rig sight unseen." lol. QuoteHowever, eBay does offer great consumer protection, and if the product is not as described they will get you a refund after you prove return delivery. This is a recent change with them, and makes their protection on par with what credit cards offer. Very true... though I do need to research the exact terms and conditions for the buyer protection program. I hope that the first rig I buy is available for me to try before I buy. Or, I'll just buy a rig from the DZ's stock.Don't forget to pull! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NWFlyer 2 #13 February 28, 2011 QuoteBut, I hope that the first rig I buy is available for me to try before I buy. Then might I recommend putting eBay farther down on your list of places to look? I'd start with your local DZ - ask around, see if anyone's got anything lying around in a closet that they're not currently using or anything that they're actively trying to sell. Next, look at the classifieds here. Yes, as a free service, it doesn't come with the buyer protections that eBay has, but what it does come with a higher likelihood that the person selling the gear is or was a skydiver (sure, there are scammers here, but in general they are well managed by the site management, and often with a few questions back and forth it's pretty obvious who's legit and who's full of shit). Another option would be to contact gear stores and dealers. Many of them deal in used gear and have good leads on available gear. The overwhelming majority of them will provide great service, help you to choose the right gear, and will be able to evaluate the quality of the gear and ensure that it's priced fairly."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Krip 2 #14 February 28, 2011 Quote I don't own any gear less than 14 years old! Except AAD's. +1 except the AAD wasn't jumping enough to make it worth the $$$. Gotta enjoy the urban legends.One Jump Wonder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
NWFlyer 2 #13 February 28, 2011 QuoteBut, I hope that the first rig I buy is available for me to try before I buy. Then might I recommend putting eBay farther down on your list of places to look? I'd start with your local DZ - ask around, see if anyone's got anything lying around in a closet that they're not currently using or anything that they're actively trying to sell. Next, look at the classifieds here. Yes, as a free service, it doesn't come with the buyer protections that eBay has, but what it does come with a higher likelihood that the person selling the gear is or was a skydiver (sure, there are scammers here, but in general they are well managed by the site management, and often with a few questions back and forth it's pretty obvious who's legit and who's full of shit). Another option would be to contact gear stores and dealers. Many of them deal in used gear and have good leads on available gear. The overwhelming majority of them will provide great service, help you to choose the right gear, and will be able to evaluate the quality of the gear and ensure that it's priced fairly."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krip 2 #14 February 28, 2011 Quote I don't own any gear less than 14 years old! Except AAD's. +1 except the AAD wasn't jumping enough to make it worth the $$$. Gotta enjoy the urban legends.One Jump Wonder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
