sarge 0 #101 December 11, 2003 Most interesting, the passionate the objective and the philosophical views on this subject! I often wondered in my first couple years I was jumping the very question.... Q: When could I say, "I'm a skydiver?" -Was it to make a jump-number milestone? -Time in the sport? -License / ratings? -titles, awards etc... Quote I would call you a skydiver...you are injured....Thats a big difference than some tandem student that will never jump again I know this girl, with a dubious nick-name that might be considered a personal attack here. She started jumping back in the early seventies, and has always maintained close ties with the skydiving community, Geez, she lives a five minute walk from the dz. Works in the industry very often and is often called upon to be the jump dummy for tandem master re-certs. Which, are the only jumps she is permitted to do anymore. Anyway even though she holds a license, she is banned from skydiving at this particular dz, and probably any other dz that knows her. Why, one might inquire? So she doesn't kill herself or somebody else! Ya know, I don't know whether she would call herself a skydiver to tell the truth? Her passion for the sport is obvious to anyone. Her license was issued before many people on this site were even born. Her knowledge rivals any poo-bah here. So what would you call her Ron, Tree? Cause I am vexed actually. -I'm thinking, a very baaaad skydiver that's barred from jumping. That being the case albeit still a 'skydiver' but a very baaad one that is banned from jumping. So if then she a former jumper, is she still a, 'skydiver?'-- I'm done with the personally meaningful and philosophical sigs!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #102 December 11, 2003 I wear my pin necklace because it means something to ME, not because of whatever someone else might think of it. I bought it after my first AFF jump. That first AFF jump was the biggest step I've ever taken in my life, and I did it all by myself. I didn't know anyone at the DZ, but I knew skydiving was something I HAD to do, so I went and did it. My pin necklace doesn't so much as represent "skydiving" but it represents something so much bigger... my ability to conquer my own fear. That's why I wear it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #103 December 11, 2003 I guess I have to start wearing mine all the time...it's about showing others you are part of the club.. so to speak...So I wear my Necklace.. and have my Jump wings on my purse (USPA AND AIRBORNE) Now... just how high are those hip boot Froggie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JumpRu 14 #104 December 12, 2003 first reserve ride Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #105 December 12, 2003 then my AFF instructor with 3000 jumps wouldn't qualify. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites souleh 0 #106 December 12, 2003 QuoteFact is there are several folks on here that HAVE NEVER jumped! And several others than NEVER plan to. Yup, that's me I'm afraid. Never made a jump. However, I have one booked, and I can see why you all find it so great.. I'm intoxicated with the thought and apprehension.. shame it's a few months away yet! No, of course, I dont call myself a skydiver. Not even a beginner. I admit wholeheartedly to being a newbie. However, I'm no whuffo.. I know what I want to do and why. Well.. that is until I get to the door on jump #1.. things may change (I hope not!) I dont see the point in pretending to be someone you're not. That's why you wont find me posting in the skydiving forums until I've done a jump or few.. I'm an utter beginner, simple as that. But I dont mind admitting that.. everyone has to start somewhere. Every single person on here, without any exception, has been in my shoes (or similar ones at some point) - so what's to be ashamed of? You all seem like nice chaps (and ladies).. hence why I'm still here So thanks, for that. I'm just glad it isnt like some other sports I've tried, where it's terribly elitist, and where you get looked down upon from every other player/member. It's nice to find something different. Alcohol-fueled post-pub rant over Nick. 'buttplugs? where?' - geno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cindee 0 #107 December 12, 2003 QuoteI consider someone a skydiver if they finish complete AFF. Guess I'm not a skydiver yet, although I had to deal with line twists and am still recovering from a 'skydiving' injury from jump number 8. I'm sure I would have completed AFP if I wasn't grounded. If I have the guts to back up next spring, then I guess I can consider myself a skydiver.__________________________________________________ "If happy little bluebirds fly above the rainbow, why oh why can't I?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #108 December 12, 2003 >I'm just glad it isnt like some other sports I've tried, where it's terribly elitist, and where you get looked down upon from every other player/member. Bwhahahaha!!! What DZ do you jump at? I wanna go there one time just so I can look down on everyone like people have looked down on me as I am growing up in this sport There are more egos in skydiving then there are in politics.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumpinfarmer 0 #109 December 12, 2003 I hung around and jumped when I could, I always felt welcome. It wasn't untill my AFF grad jump, a sunset load, that I felt like part of something. As I filled out my log book it came over the loud speaker from manifest (ladies and gentlemen there is now one more of us say congradulations to our newest AFF grad Marc Krieger) it may sound corney but that is what did it. After that I felt like I was a real skydiver. I know I have a long way to go but I'm learning. I know that to the real skydivers I'm just another pesty student but know ones ever made me feel that way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Muenkel 0 #110 December 12, 2003 QuoteUntil your life is in your hands out there, you're a student. I'm still an aff student. On my level 3, on the release I went into a spin that I couldn't stop. My JM could not re-dock with me. I was on my own. Once under canopy, my radio failed, I was on my own and I landed not only in one piece, but within 50 yards of the target. I may have been a student, but trust me, my life was in my hands. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #111 December 12, 2003 QuoteI may have been a student, but trust me, my life was in my hands. OH PLEASE.............You had a Cypres......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Eiley 0 #112 December 12, 2003 QuoteI'm just glad it isnt like some other sports I've tried, where it's terribly elitist, and where you get looked down upon from every other player/member. You're kidding, right? nothing to see here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites souleh 0 #113 December 12, 2003 Sorry, I'll rephrase that Yes, it's terribly elitest.. afaik. But the people arent all 100% arrogant bastards either. I've been made to feel welcome by the people I've met, and had questions answered. I've not been told to get lost, or leave people alone, or generally treated as if I'm not worth their time. THAT is the element of this I like. Perhaps I've had a shaded view of it.. but alas it's how I've seen it so far. Edit: This is what I meant to type last night. However, one too many guinesses... 'buttplugs? where?' - geno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #114 December 12, 2003 Welcome.... Why is your first jumps mths away?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #115 December 12, 2003 Personally I don't say I'm a Skydiver...I tell people that I skydive. I think it is very simple to say who is and who is not. If you do it you are a skydiver. If you did it you will be a skydiver. If you plan on doing it, you will be a skydiver. If you did a Tandem once 5 years ago and claim to be an expert...Your a DZ.commer"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #116 December 12, 2003 QuoteI think anyone who wears those pins is a poser, "real" skydivers included. Of course, that's just my personal reaction to people who have to show off how stinking cool they are, combined with how stupid I think those necklaces are. I've never cared for shark's teeth necklaces either Well, I guess Im a "poser" huh? I only have 3,000 jumps and 10 years in the sport."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydiver51 0 #117 December 12, 2003 Ahhhhhh, will no one let you be in the clique?? You can be cool like us, just wear your power tool if you don't have a closeing pin necklace. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 30 #118 December 12, 2003 Quote Well, I guess Im a "poser" huh? I only have 3,000 jumps and 10 years in the sport. I guess you just graduated from Tourist to Poser , Ron Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,106 #119 December 12, 2003 QuoteNo I was supporting new jumpers 100%... I think its EVERY experienced jumpers DUTY to jump with new people to help them along. That is how I learned when I started jumping.. expereinced jumpers taking me under thier wing... and teaching me what to do and what not to do. You can have 15,000+ jumps, a bundle of World records and gold medals, but unless you have a coach rating you are unqualified to do a 2-way with someone with 24 jumps.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #120 December 12, 2003 QuoteWell, I guess Im a "poser" huh? I only have 3,000 jumps and 10 years in the sport. "Sky-geek" is the term you were looking for. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #121 December 12, 2003 QuotePersonally I don't say I'm a Skydiver...I tell people that I skydive. Same here. Don't think I've ever said, "I'm a skydiver". I've told people that I skydive, but that's different. Skydiving doesn't define who I am. Who I am is a thrill seeking, adventuresome person who enjoys life and all it's varied experiences. That's why I skydive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #122 December 12, 2003 QuoteYou can have 15,000+ jumps, a bundle of World records and gold medals, but unless you have a coach rating you are unqualified to do a 2-way with someone with 24 jumps. Fasle a local S&TA can waive that at a USPA GM DZ. You don't have to do squat if it is not a USPA DZ. Plus I never had a coach rating and I can jump with folks all day long...Im an Instructor. Your slipping Doc."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WrongWay 0 #123 December 12, 2003 Quote Closing pin= It's a special way to recognize someone you have something in common with. Whatever!! I use mine as a nose picker!! Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #124 December 12, 2003 Quote Yup, that's me I'm afraid. Never made a jump. However, I have one booked, and I can see why you all find it so great.. ..I dont see the point in pretending to be someone you're not. That's why you wont find me posting in the skydiving forums until I've done a jump or few. Wow Nick, 106 posts and no jumps??? tsk tsk. What's keepin' ya?!? lol, just kidding. Obviously, you'll find a plethera of non-skydiving discussion topics here... you don't need to have a thousand jumps to post. I have found this group very very welcoming, helpful and informative. QuoteNo, of course, I dont call myself a skydiver. Yet! QuoteSo thanks, for that. I'm just glad it isnt like some other sports I've tried, where it's terribly elitist, and where you get looked down upon from every other player/member. It's nice to find something different. Oh yeah! This is what I wanted to coment on. You'll find the people you meet in this sport are wonderfully hospitable... but one thing you will likely will run into is 'Newbie Blues' or "post-self-super blues". There have been a number of threads about it and a few pretty cool articles. Basically, after having finished your progression and you are cleared to jump solo, one may feel left out or even a little lonely in the sport. Everyone's got their own things goind on, people are jumping together... but nobody is doing anything with you. Don't be discouraged by this... it isin't really that 'eletist' mentality. It's more 'cause people don't know you yet... or don't know what you're into... or simply want you to have more jumps before they get into the air with you (which may seem eletist at first but... well, safety first! lol) You'll never find snobs at the bondfire. You'll never have problems seeking advice. You'll never find a lack of enthusiastic peole to talk to when the beer light comes on. I just wanted to post this as an early warning because of what you had said. Almost everyone has gone through it so you won't have any problems finding info and help. Developping your freefly skills, er I mean skills in the discipline of your choice will come with time and jumps and yadda yadda yadda... Nick My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! 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JumpRu 14 #104 December 12, 2003 first reserve ride Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #105 December 12, 2003 then my AFF instructor with 3000 jumps wouldn't qualify. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
souleh 0 #106 December 12, 2003 QuoteFact is there are several folks on here that HAVE NEVER jumped! And several others than NEVER plan to. Yup, that's me I'm afraid. Never made a jump. However, I have one booked, and I can see why you all find it so great.. I'm intoxicated with the thought and apprehension.. shame it's a few months away yet! No, of course, I dont call myself a skydiver. Not even a beginner. I admit wholeheartedly to being a newbie. However, I'm no whuffo.. I know what I want to do and why. Well.. that is until I get to the door on jump #1.. things may change (I hope not!) I dont see the point in pretending to be someone you're not. That's why you wont find me posting in the skydiving forums until I've done a jump or few.. I'm an utter beginner, simple as that. But I dont mind admitting that.. everyone has to start somewhere. Every single person on here, without any exception, has been in my shoes (or similar ones at some point) - so what's to be ashamed of? You all seem like nice chaps (and ladies).. hence why I'm still here So thanks, for that. I'm just glad it isnt like some other sports I've tried, where it's terribly elitist, and where you get looked down upon from every other player/member. It's nice to find something different. Alcohol-fueled post-pub rant over Nick. 'buttplugs? where?' - geno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cindee 0 #107 December 12, 2003 QuoteI consider someone a skydiver if they finish complete AFF. Guess I'm not a skydiver yet, although I had to deal with line twists and am still recovering from a 'skydiving' injury from jump number 8. I'm sure I would have completed AFP if I wasn't grounded. If I have the guts to back up next spring, then I guess I can consider myself a skydiver.__________________________________________________ "If happy little bluebirds fly above the rainbow, why oh why can't I?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #108 December 12, 2003 >I'm just glad it isnt like some other sports I've tried, where it's terribly elitist, and where you get looked down upon from every other player/member. Bwhahahaha!!! What DZ do you jump at? I wanna go there one time just so I can look down on everyone like people have looked down on me as I am growing up in this sport There are more egos in skydiving then there are in politics.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpinfarmer 0 #109 December 12, 2003 I hung around and jumped when I could, I always felt welcome. It wasn't untill my AFF grad jump, a sunset load, that I felt like part of something. As I filled out my log book it came over the loud speaker from manifest (ladies and gentlemen there is now one more of us say congradulations to our newest AFF grad Marc Krieger) it may sound corney but that is what did it. After that I felt like I was a real skydiver. I know I have a long way to go but I'm learning. I know that to the real skydivers I'm just another pesty student but know ones ever made me feel that way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #110 December 12, 2003 QuoteUntil your life is in your hands out there, you're a student. I'm still an aff student. On my level 3, on the release I went into a spin that I couldn't stop. My JM could not re-dock with me. I was on my own. Once under canopy, my radio failed, I was on my own and I landed not only in one piece, but within 50 yards of the target. I may have been a student, but trust me, my life was in my hands. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #111 December 12, 2003 QuoteI may have been a student, but trust me, my life was in my hands. OH PLEASE.............You had a Cypres......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eiley 0 #112 December 12, 2003 QuoteI'm just glad it isnt like some other sports I've tried, where it's terribly elitist, and where you get looked down upon from every other player/member. You're kidding, right? nothing to see here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
souleh 0 #113 December 12, 2003 Sorry, I'll rephrase that Yes, it's terribly elitest.. afaik. But the people arent all 100% arrogant bastards either. I've been made to feel welcome by the people I've met, and had questions answered. I've not been told to get lost, or leave people alone, or generally treated as if I'm not worth their time. THAT is the element of this I like. Perhaps I've had a shaded view of it.. but alas it's how I've seen it so far. Edit: This is what I meant to type last night. However, one too many guinesses... 'buttplugs? where?' - geno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #114 December 12, 2003 Welcome.... Why is your first jumps mths away?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #115 December 12, 2003 Personally I don't say I'm a Skydiver...I tell people that I skydive. I think it is very simple to say who is and who is not. If you do it you are a skydiver. If you did it you will be a skydiver. If you plan on doing it, you will be a skydiver. If you did a Tandem once 5 years ago and claim to be an expert...Your a DZ.commer"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #116 December 12, 2003 QuoteI think anyone who wears those pins is a poser, "real" skydivers included. Of course, that's just my personal reaction to people who have to show off how stinking cool they are, combined with how stupid I think those necklaces are. I've never cared for shark's teeth necklaces either Well, I guess Im a "poser" huh? I only have 3,000 jumps and 10 years in the sport."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiver51 0 #117 December 12, 2003 Ahhhhhh, will no one let you be in the clique?? You can be cool like us, just wear your power tool if you don't have a closeing pin necklace. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #118 December 12, 2003 Quote Well, I guess Im a "poser" huh? I only have 3,000 jumps and 10 years in the sport. I guess you just graduated from Tourist to Poser , Ron Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #119 December 12, 2003 QuoteNo I was supporting new jumpers 100%... I think its EVERY experienced jumpers DUTY to jump with new people to help them along. That is how I learned when I started jumping.. expereinced jumpers taking me under thier wing... and teaching me what to do and what not to do. You can have 15,000+ jumps, a bundle of World records and gold medals, but unless you have a coach rating you are unqualified to do a 2-way with someone with 24 jumps.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #120 December 12, 2003 QuoteWell, I guess Im a "poser" huh? I only have 3,000 jumps and 10 years in the sport. "Sky-geek" is the term you were looking for. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #121 December 12, 2003 QuotePersonally I don't say I'm a Skydiver...I tell people that I skydive. Same here. Don't think I've ever said, "I'm a skydiver". I've told people that I skydive, but that's different. Skydiving doesn't define who I am. Who I am is a thrill seeking, adventuresome person who enjoys life and all it's varied experiences. That's why I skydive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #122 December 12, 2003 QuoteYou can have 15,000+ jumps, a bundle of World records and gold medals, but unless you have a coach rating you are unqualified to do a 2-way with someone with 24 jumps. Fasle a local S&TA can waive that at a USPA GM DZ. You don't have to do squat if it is not a USPA DZ. Plus I never had a coach rating and I can jump with folks all day long...Im an Instructor. Your slipping Doc."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #123 December 12, 2003 Quote Closing pin= It's a special way to recognize someone you have something in common with. Whatever!! I use mine as a nose picker!! Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #124 December 12, 2003 Quote Yup, that's me I'm afraid. Never made a jump. However, I have one booked, and I can see why you all find it so great.. ..I dont see the point in pretending to be someone you're not. That's why you wont find me posting in the skydiving forums until I've done a jump or few. Wow Nick, 106 posts and no jumps??? tsk tsk. What's keepin' ya?!? lol, just kidding. Obviously, you'll find a plethera of non-skydiving discussion topics here... you don't need to have a thousand jumps to post. I have found this group very very welcoming, helpful and informative. QuoteNo, of course, I dont call myself a skydiver. Yet! QuoteSo thanks, for that. I'm just glad it isnt like some other sports I've tried, where it's terribly elitist, and where you get looked down upon from every other player/member. It's nice to find something different. Oh yeah! This is what I wanted to coment on. You'll find the people you meet in this sport are wonderfully hospitable... but one thing you will likely will run into is 'Newbie Blues' or "post-self-super blues". There have been a number of threads about it and a few pretty cool articles. Basically, after having finished your progression and you are cleared to jump solo, one may feel left out or even a little lonely in the sport. Everyone's got their own things goind on, people are jumping together... but nobody is doing anything with you. Don't be discouraged by this... it isin't really that 'eletist' mentality. It's more 'cause people don't know you yet... or don't know what you're into... or simply want you to have more jumps before they get into the air with you (which may seem eletist at first but... well, safety first! lol) You'll never find snobs at the bondfire. You'll never have problems seeking advice. You'll never find a lack of enthusiastic peole to talk to when the beer light comes on. I just wanted to post this as an early warning because of what you had said. Almost everyone has gone through it so you won't have any problems finding info and help. Developping your freefly skills, er I mean skills in the discipline of your choice will come with time and jumps and yadda yadda yadda... Nick My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #125 December 12, 2003 Quote You'll never find snobs at the bondfire. You'll never have problems seeking advice. You'll never find a lack of enthusiastic peole to talk to when the beer light comes on. hear hear! Fire pits are the best places to learn and hang out.... no load music so you can chat with people...Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
