Conservatives want Reagan on dimes

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We could put him on the 75-cent piece. I don't think that had a president on it.

Or a $3 bill

No, that one is reserved for Algore

Didn't he invent it?

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There are plenty of things he was really bad at during his presidency. Foriegn relations. The economy. Realistic defense planning. Take your pick.

No, you disagree with his decisions in those areas, but he was very good at getting his decisions implemented, and remaining popular while doing so. And just so you know, I have just as many issues with FDR as I do with Reagan.

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I don't understand the need to replace the focus of someone being honored.

...ridiculous, just like changing the people shown on existing currency or honored in an existing airport. It is the whim du jour and the epitome of conservative political correctness

Take a look at the US Mint Timeline. You act like the face on currency never changes. That is just not the case.

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Please refer to that US Mint Timeline and show me where we changed the person shown on a particular coin. Not minted a different coin, but just replaced the person.

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"Well enough" should be left alone.

[Nightingale 0]

Sure! The difficult thing with your question is that any coin with a slightly different design could be considered a different coin. For the purpose of this list, I'm going to consider coins of the same denomination to be different designs of the same coin.

The Dollar coins: Started with Eisenhower. Next, Susan B Anthony, now Sacajawea.

Quarter: Liberty Bust to seated liberty to standing liberty to current Washington design.

Dime: Liberty bust to seated Liberty to winged head (Mercury) to FDR.

Nickel: went from Liberty Head to seated liberty to indian head to buffalo head to current Jefferson design.

Penny: Went from liberty head to indian head to Lincoln


So, historically, the dollar coin has been the only one where we've switched between historical figures. The others were from mythology or just a general depiction (indian head) of an ethnic group, rather than a specific individual.

There is a precedent.

That said, I am against the change for several reasons:

1. Roosevelt was put on the dime to commemorate his work with March of Dimes for polio research. There is a historical reason to have him on that particular coin.

2. Tradition dictates that someone only goes on a coin or stamp after their death. Roosevelt died in 1945. The Roosevelt dime was minted in 1946. Reagan isn't dead yet.

3. The Reagan family has spoken out against the move. Their wishes need to be respected. They do not feel this is an appropriate way to honor Pres. Reagan.

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3. The Reagan family has spoken out against the move. Their wishes need to be respected. They do not feel this is an appropriate way to honor Pres. Reagan.

Reagan was a professed admirer of Roosevelt. He mentioned Roosevelt in a positive manner in a number of his speeches. I'm sure his family is well aware of this and it factors into their thinking.

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Please refer to that US Mint Timeline and show me where we changed the person shown on a particular coin. Not minted a different coin, but just replaced the person.

Well that would be just a little impossible. You can't change the coin without minting a new one. Each time the silver dollar image was changed, a new coin was minted. In this case, we would stop production of the Roosevelt dime and begin the Reagan dime. So explain to me how you can replace a coin without minting a new one, please.

If you believe coin denominations have never had the face upon them changed, then you must think the US didn't have pennies before 1909, nickels before 1938, dimes before 1946, quarters before 1932, or half dollars before 1964.
US Mint Coin Info

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[gary350 0]

Quotes? Glad it came up. Truth, wisdom, compassion, a vision of America for all, not just the rich and powerful and religous? Read for yourself, if you dare (me thinks it will be skipped by many - can't have that pesky reality invading the order of our narrow little me, me, me, us, us, us world . . . )

Rush Limbaugh has nothing on The Great Communicator himself for lies and greed. Clueless? Read on - straight from the moron's own mouth:

Uncommon Wisdom from "The Gipper"

"A tree's a tree. How many more do you need to look at?"
--Ronald Reagan (Governor of California), quoted in the Sacramento Bee, opposing expansion of Redwood National Park, March 3, 1966

"I don't believe a tree is a tree and if you've seen one you've seen them all."
--Governor Ronald Reagan, in the Sacramento Bee, September 14, 1966

"All the waste in a year from a nuclear power plant can be stored under a desk."
--Ronald Reagan (Republican candidate for president), quoted in the Burlington (Vermont) Free Press, February 15, 1980. (In reality, the average nuclear reactor generates 30 tons of radioactive waste per year.)

"I have flown twice over Mount St. Helens. I'm not a scientist and I don't know the figures, but I have a suspicion that one little mountain out there, in these last several months, has probably released more sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere than has been released in the last ten years of automobile driving or things of that kind."
--Ronald Reagan, quoted in Time magazine, October 20, 1980. (According to scientists, Mount St. Helens emitted about 2,000 tons of sulfur dioxide per day at its peak activity, compared with 81,000 tons per day produced by cars.)

"Growing and decaying vegetation in this land are responsible for 93 percent of the oxides of nitrogen."
--Ronald Reagan, quoted in the Los Angeles Times, October 9, 1980. (According to Dr. Michael Oppenheimer of the Environmental Defense Fund, industrial sources are responsible for at least 65 percent and possibly as much as 90 percent of the oxides of nitrogen in the U.S.)

"Approximately 80 percent of our air pollution stems from hydrocarbons released by vegetation. So let's not go overboard in setting and enforcing tough emission standards for man-made sources."
--Ronald Reagan, quoted in Sierra, September 10, 1980

"I've said it before and I'll say it again. The U.S. Geological Survey has told me that the proven potential for oil in Alaska alone is greater than the proven reserves in Saudi Arabia."
--Ronald Reagan, quoted in the Detroit Free Press, March 23, 1980. (According to the USGS, the Saudi reserves of 165.5 billion barrels are 17 times the proven reserves--9.2 billion barrels--in Alaska.)

"Why should we subsidize intellectual curiosity?"
--Ronald Reagan, campaign speech, 1980

"Trains are not any more energy efficient than the average automobile, with both getting about 48 passenger miles to the gallon."
--Ronald Reagan, quoted in the Chicago Tribune, May 10, 1980. (The U.S. Department of Transportation calculates that a 14-car train traveling at 80 miles per hour gets 400 passenger miles to the gallon. A 1980 auto carrying an average of 2.2 people gets 42.6 passenger miles to the gallon.)

"It's silly talking about how many years we will have to spend in the jungles of Vietnam when we could pave the whole country and put parking stripes on it and still be home by Christmas."
--Ronald Reagan (candidate for Governor of California), interviewed in the Fresno Bee, October 10, 1965

"I have a feeling that we are doing better in the war [in Vietnam] than the people have been told."
--Ronald Reagan, in the Los Angeles Times, October 16, 1967

"...the moral equal of our Founding Fathers."
--President Reagan, describing the Nicaraguan contras, March 1, 1985

"Fascism was really the basis for the New Deal."
--Ronald Reagan, quoted in Time, May 17, 1976

"I know all the bad things that happened in that war. I was in uniform four years myself."
--President Reagan, in an interview with foreign journalists, April 19, 1985. ("In costume" is more like it. Reagan spent World War II making Army training films at Hal Roach Studios in Hollywood.)

"They've done away with those committees. That shows the success of what the Soviets were able to do in this country."
--Ronald Reagan, quoted in the Washington Times, September 30, 1987. (Reagan longs for the days of Sen. Joseph McCarthy and the HCUA witch hunts.)

"We think there is a parallel between federal involvement in education and the decline in profit over recent years."
--President Reagan, quoted in USA Today, April 26, 1983

"What we have found in this country, and maybe we're more aware of it now, is one problem that we've had, even in the best of times, and that is the people who are sleeping on the grates, the homeless who are homeless, you might say, by choice."
--President Reagan, defending himself against charges of callousness on Good Morning America, January 31, 1984

"I favor the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and it must be enforced at the point of a bayonet, if necessary."
--Ronald Reagan, Los Angeles Times, October 20, 1965

"I would have voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964."
--Ronald Reagan, Los Angeles Times, June 17, 1966

"If there has to be a bloodbath then let's get it over with."
--Ronald Reagan (Governor of California), quoted in the San Francisco Chronicle, May 15, 1969. (Reagan reveals how he intends to deal with student protesters at the University of California, Berkeley.)

"Today a newcomer to the state is automatically eligible for our many aid programs the moment he crosses the border."
--Ronald Reagan, in a speech announcing his candidacy for Governor, January 3, 1966. (In fact, immigrants to California had to wait five years before becoming eligible for benefits. Reagan acknowledged his error, but nine months later said exactly the same thing.)

"...a faceless mass, waiting for handouts."
--Ronald Reagan, 1965. (Description of Medicaid recipients.)

"Unemployment insurance is a pre-paid vacation for freeloaders."
--California Governor Ronald Reagan, in the Sacramento Bee, April 28, 1966

"We were told four years ago that 17 million people went to bed hungry every night. Well, that was probably true. They were all on a diet."
--Ronald Reagan, TV speech, October 27, 1964

"But I also happen to be someone who believes in tithing--the giving of a tenth [to charity]."
--Ronald Reagan, from The Weekly Compilation of Presidential Documents, February 8, 1982. (He may believe in tithing, but he doesn't practice it. Reagan's total charitable giving of $5,965 did not approach 10% of total income. It was more like 1.4%.)

"[Not] until now has there ever been a time in which so many of the prophecies are coming together. There have been times in the past when people thought the end of the world was coming, and so forth, but never anything like this."
--President Reagan revealing a disturbing view about the "coming of Armageddon," December 6, 1983

"History shows that when the taxes of a nation approach about 20 percent of the people's income, there begins to be a lack of respect for government.... When it reaches 25 percent, there comes an increase in lawlessness."
--Ronald Reagan, in Time, April 14, 1980. (History shows no such thing. Income tax rates in Europe have traditionally been far higher than U.S. rates, while European crime rates have been much lower.)

"Because Vietnam was not a declared war, the veterans are not even eligible for the G. I. Bill of Rights with respect to education or anything."
--Ronald Reagan, in Newsweek, April 21, 1980. (Wrong again.)

"Politics is just like show business. You have a hell of an opening, coast for a while, and then have a hell of a close."
--Ronald Reagan to aide Stuart Spencer, 1966

Quotes are from Reagan's Reign of Error by Mark Green & Gail MacColl, and The Clothes Have No Emperor by Paul Slansky

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Reagan was a professed admirer of Roosevelt. He mentioned Roosevelt in a positive manner in a number of his speeches. I'm sure his family is well aware of this and it factors into their thinking.

And there's no chance whatsoever that Reagan included FDR to strengthen his rhetoric and bring democrats into his fold, right?

Of course Reagan liked him. Where do you think he learned so much of his Great misCommunication?

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[ScubaSteve 0]

Most of it true. What point do you disagree with and why?

Careful. SOme of you quotes are taken way out of context.

[jfields 0]

Do you actually read these links before you post them, or read what anyone writes before you reply?

The previous person correctly noted that the only coin to come close to having the actual person change was the dollar coin.

Let's compare the Sacagawea and Susan B. Anthony dollars.

Different metals. Different edges. Different reverse side image. Different diameter.

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Here's a few more quotes:

"I never knew anything above Cs."
--President Reagan, in a moment of truthfulness, describes his academic record to Barbara Walters, November 27, 1981

"They told stories about how inattentive and inept the President was.... They said he wouldn't come to work--all he wanted to do was to watch movies and television at the residence."
--Jim Cannon (an aide to Howard Baker) reporting what Reagan's underlings told him, Landslide: The Unmaking of the President: 1984-88

"This President is treated by both the press and foreign leaders as if he were a child.... It is major news when he honors a political or economic discussion with a germane remark and not an anecdote about his Hollywood days."
--Columnist Richard Cohen

"What planet is he living on?"
--President Mitterand of France poses this question about Reagan to Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau.

"He demonstrated for all to see how far you can go in this life with a smile, a shoeshine and the nerve to put your own spin on the facts."
--David Nyhan, Boston Globe columnist

"an amiable dunce"
--Clark Clifford (former Defense Secretary)

"Poor dear, there's nothing between his ears."
--British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher

"...like reinventing the wheel."
--Larry Speakes (Reagan's former press secretary) describing what it was like preparing the President for a press conference, Speaking Out: The Reagan Presidency from Inside the White House

"The task of watering the arid desert between Reagan's ears is a challenging one for his aides."
--Columnist David Broder

"He has the ability to make statements that are so far outside the parameters of logic that they leave you speechless"
--Patti Davis (formerly Patricia Ann Reagan), talking about her father, The Way I See It

"This loathing for government, this eagerness to prove that any program to aid the disadvantaged is nothing but a boondoggle and a money gobbler, leads him to contrive statistics and stories with unmatched vigor."
--Mark Green, Reagan's Reign of Error

"President Reagan doesn't always check the facts before he makes statements, and the press accepts this as kind of amusing."
--former president Jimmy Carter, March 6, 1984

"His errors glide past unchallenged. At one point...he alleged that almost half the population gets a free meal from the government each day. No one told him he was crazy. The general message of the American press is that, yes, while it is perfectly true that the emperor has no clothes, nudity is actually very acceptable this year."
--Simon Hoggart, in The Observer (London), 1986

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I cannot believe you used Ex President Carter as a credible source..LOL!!!!

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The previous person correctly noted that the only coin to come close to having the actual person change was the dollar coin.

Wasn't there a Franklin half-dollar before the Kennedy? What did Kennedy do more than Franklin? [ducks under desk]

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Story here:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/1001585.asp

Question - why not just put Howdy Doody on the dime? Or why not just a steaming pile of shit like the great communicator himself? (maybe we should save that image for GW Bush?)

Why not ? The dime is worth nothing today, so it seems appropriate for him.

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The previous person correctly noted that the only coin to come close to having the actual person change was the dollar coin.

Wasn't there a Franklin half-dollar before the Kennedy? What did Kennedy do more than Franklin? [ducks under desk]

I think it was also significantly different. And I'm not debating Kennedy vs. Franklin.

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and a "Reagan" dime would probably be a completely different looking coin too. That's the thing... we can't really say what it will look like, because its just a proposal now.

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Most of it true.

Speechless.

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[Church lady Voice]Have we lost a little control of our emotions?[/Church Lady Voice]

Yep.

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Do you actually read these links before you post them, or read what anyone writes before you reply?

And I can see what is posted while I am composing my own reply? Oh heaven forbid, I spent eight minutes looking for coin information.

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The previous person correctly noted that the only coin to come close to having the actual person change was the dollar coin.

"to come close?" So changing Washington to Ike to Susan B to Sacajawea is only coming close to having a person change? (Washington was on the Lafeyette dollar in 1899)

Also the half dollar has had a change of faces. 1948 through 1963 Franklin was on the half dollar. Since 1964 Kennedy has been on the half dollar.

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Let's compare the Sacagawea and Susan B. Anthony dollars.

Different metals. Different edges. Different reverse side image. Different diameter.

What's your point? That we should change the metal, edge, and size with the face? Coin change is not uncommon. You just don't like the proposed change.

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Wasn't there a Franklin half-dollar before the Kennedy?

I think it was also significantly different.

Franklin vs Kennedy Half Dollars
Diameters: 30.6 mm
Weights: 12.5 g
Compositions: .9 silver .1 copper
Yep, they seem significantly different all right.

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What did Kennedy do more than Franklin?

And I'm not debating Kennedy vs. Franklin

So like I said, you don't care about changing coins, you are just opposed to this particular change.

Can I call em or what

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[TheAnvil 0]

I hadn't heard a couple of these. Good stuff, Bill.

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I see your hatred of Reagan is just really eating you up right now. It's good you have so much in you. I think it quite funny that you ask me if I dared to read your post. You must not read many of mine with regards to political commentary on here. Tis those on the left that run when confronted with something they don't like - not I.

Your voluminous post was quite interesting. Admittedly, I hadn't heard all of the quotes. Glad you posted them. A few I see are taken completely out of context - typical of leftists everywhere.

Tell me, gary, do you dare to answer a few questions I have for you?

1) Reagan took a lot of flak for Iran-Contra. Rightfully so in many respects. Do you dare descibe the history of that foreign policy initiative? Tell us what Mr. Bonior and Mr. Kerry had to say about the Sandinistas. Include their genocidal slaughter of the Moskito Indians when describing the Sandinistas, if you dare. The Sandinista - USSR connections, if you dare. Or the Sandinista manipulation of their books for IMF/World Bank loans, if you dare. Include comments of prominent Dem congressmen with regards to the Sandinistas, if you dare. Perhaps a little education on your own part will lead to a bit less scathing view of Mr. Reagan's foreign policy in that avenue. Who knows. I don't think you dare to do so and doubt you are even able to without extensive research on your part, given the tenor of your post.

2) The liberals love to slam McCarthy. I dislike the tactics he used as well. Tell me gary, do you dare to tell us what the Verona Project's results told us about McCarthy's accusations? LOL.

3) Do you dare tell us why Mr. Reagan said he would have voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964? Perhaps he owed Al Gore, Sr. a favor?

4) Do you dare put Reagan's 1966 tree comments in context of the speeches they came from? HEHHEHEHEHE. I'd wager you don't.

5) Do you dare describe the phrase 'proven potential' for oil in Alaska? You took that out of context, of course, but nothing new for you, eh?

6) Do you dare describe the pollution from a nuclear reactor vs that of a coal power plant? How about a gas turbine or natural gas one? And where did your statistic come from, exactly? What type of reactor is 'average'? What sort of waste are you talking about? What sort of waste was Reagan talking about in that quote? You don't know, I'd wager. You just hate Reagan because you've been taught to. For the record, his nuclear policy was extremely flawed, but not NEARLY so much as that of his nuclear trained predecessor, who damned well knew better.

7) I could go on, but will leave you with this one. Do you dare compare the economic and foreign policy achievements of Reagan vs. El Jefe Clintonista or Nobel Peace Prize Recipient Jimmy Carter (traitor)? Oooooooh didn't Carter's acceptance of that prize knowing the reason it was awarded rankle you in any way, or does your hatred of Republicans drown out all feeling of patriotism in you?

I'll leave you with that gary. Perhaps you'll take my challenge. I personally don't think you dare do so.

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[bass profundo announcer voice] And TheAnvil has thrown down the gauntlet. Does his opponent dare take up the challenge? [/voice]

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