riggergreg 0 #1 March 24, 2011 I've tried to call and can't get through Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #2 March 24, 2011 and VSE, and TSE, and Jumpshack, and Strong, Parachutres de France, Basik Air Concepts, Parachute Systems, Next, Firebird, MArs, PArachutes Australia end the others ?scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #3 March 24, 2011 YES! I have talked to Nancy and Suzie at Jumpshack ~ I number them amoung my friends. The said that they are going to council with Mr. Goortz, and at this time, they have no plans of making any actions.=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreefdiver 0 #4 March 24, 2011 Quoteand VSE, and TSE, and Jumpshack, and Strong, Parachutres de France, Basik Air Concepts, Parachute Systems, Next, Firebird, MArs, PArachutes Australia end the others ? Parachute Australia and a few other lesser known rigs (here in the US) can be added to the list. the NZ PIA has more info on their FB and I believe web pages.DS#727, DB Cooper #41, POPS #11065, SCR #13183, FA #2125, SCS #8306, HALO #309 SRA #5930 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roam82 0 #5 March 24, 2011 Wrote an email last night to sunrise, they answered they dont have have any issues with the Argus being used in their containers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firemedic 7 #6 March 24, 2011 Wrote to VSE and their response was that they are going to discuss the issue with Aviacom before taking any action. The reply also said they have not drafted any SB yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
verticalflier 0 #7 March 24, 2011 Just to let everyone know that Aerodyne will be coming out shortly with official statement about usage of Argus AAD in Icon harness container. Please be patient and let us gather all needed info to make a fair decision. We will send out official statement to all our distributors and post those as well on our website so that all interested parties will have full and clear access to where Aerodyne stands on this issue. Having said that I would like to mention, that in the event when your AAD fires and does not cut through or jams and does not release the closing loop, you can still deploy your reserve by pulling reserve handle. This is true in all Icons, with exception to some made for customers in France, as these were specifically ordered and manufactured with add cutter placement above reserve pilot chute. The rest of Icons have aad cutters placed below reserve pilot chute which placement allows for unobstructed launch of reserve chute by pulling reserve handle. I am not familiar where other manufacturers chose to place their aad cutters please consult your equipment manual and or rigger. Logically if your Icon freefall situation calls for deployment of reserve and your aad malfunctions and no reserve handle is pulled the outcome of it could be serious injury or death. To everyone out there please learn your gear, know how it operates and make right choices in using it so it can keep you safe. Please stand by and keep checking our website www.flyaerodyne.com for official statement on Argus in Icons. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dim_bulb 0 #8 March 24, 2011 QuoteI would like to mention, that in the event when your AAD fires and does not cut through or jams and does not release the closing loop, you can still deploy your reserve by pulling reserve handle. This is true in all Icons, with exception to some made for customers in France, as these were specifically ordered and manufactured with add cutter placement above reserve pilot chute. This does not look to be the case based on the aerodyne owners manual that I have, nor the Icons that I have packed. QuoteThe rest of Icons have aad cutters placed below reserve pilot chute which placement allows for unobstructed launch of reserve chute by pulling reserve handle. Les, I tend to agree. If your AAD malfunctions and pinches the reserve closing loop, pulling the ripcord would allow the reserve pilot chute to deploy. However, the issue is with the ability of the reserve parachute (not pilot chute) to exit the container. I for one, would not want to try and land my reserve pilot chute. We look forward to the official decision of Aerodyne on this matter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
verticalflier 0 #9 March 25, 2011 That is a great point as well. Thanks for pointing it out. Personally, I hope this issue will be addressed and resolved in a timely manner, so everyone will be able to move on and have fun skydiving safely. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mbondvegas 0 #10 March 25, 2011 QuoteThat is a great point as well. Thanks for pointing it out. Personally, I hope this issue will be addressed and resolved in a timely manner, so everyone will be able to move on and have fun skydiving safely. Why don't all manufacturers place the AAD cutter under the freebag like on the Javelin?- - - I am not afraid of tomorrow, for I have seen yesterday and I love today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,989 #11 March 25, 2011 Because extracting the loop through 4-7 flaps can take a long time, and sometimes won't result in an opening in time. (One reason that Mirage moved the cutter location even further away from the anchor.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #12 March 25, 2011 Quote Having said that I would like to mention, that in the event when your AAD fires and does not cut through or jams and does not release the closing loop, you can still deploy your reserve by pulling reserve handle. If the cutter fires you will be way to low to manually put the reserve and expect it open before impact. I would expect a manufacture to understand this. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #13 March 25, 2011 Quoteand VSE, and TSE, and Jumpshack, and Strong, Parachutres de France, Basik Air Concepts, Parachute Systems, Next, Firebird, MArs, PArachutes Australia end the others ? Basik Air has spoken. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #14 March 25, 2011 QuoteQuoteand VSE, and TSE, and Jumpshack, and Strong, Parachutres de France, Basik Air Concepts, Parachute Systems, Next, Firebird, MArs, PArachutes Australia end the others ? Basik Air has spoken. Sparkythat is from 2006. IIRC they had authorised it later.scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrHixxx 0 #15 March 25, 2011 Actually, with a 7 flap rig, severing the loop in the bottom of the container can cause a container lock. I think if was a Russian 4 way team that found out about this after going low on a jump and their AADs firing. One of the rigs container locked with the severed piece of closing loop bound between the grommets (must have been offset in grommets with pack job). That's when the cutters were moved on these types of rigs. Bottom of container works fine for pop top rigs.death,as men call him, ends what they call men -but beauty is more now than dying’s when Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,989 #16 March 25, 2011 >Bottom of container works fine for pop top rigs. Agreed. But on true poptops (i.e. Racer, Reflex) you have the same problem with a defective cutter locking the reserve closed once it's moved to bottom of container. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #17 March 25, 2011 Quote Quote Having said that I would like to mention, that in the event when your AAD fires and does not cut through or jams and does not release the closing loop, you can still deploy your reserve by pulling reserve handle. If the cutter fires you will be way to low to manually put the reserve and expect it open before impact. I would expect a manufacture to understand this. Sparky True in a textbook freefall nothing out case, but what if it's a sniveling mal on a main too low, the unit gets scared, and the response is a breakaway? I like Sherman's idea of a failure mode that does not negatively impact the functionality of the system. Of course I don't jump an AAD.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,989 #18 March 25, 2011 >I like Sherman's idea of a failure mode that does not negatively impact the >functionality of the system. Simplest way I can think of doing that is having two cutters on either side of a (long) two ended closing loop. That would make you fail-safe for any single failure point. You could do that today with a two-cutter AAD on a one-pin reserve. Would be a pain in the butt to pack though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grannyinthesky 0 #19 March 27, 2011 Here's a link to Aerodyne on Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Aerodyne-Research-LLC/287559164745 I haven't looked for it on their webpage. "safety first... and What the hell..... safety second, Too!!! " ~~jmy POPS #10490 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #20 March 27, 2011 Quote Here's a link to Aerodyne on Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Aerodyne-Research-LLC/287559164745 I haven't looked for it on their webpage. Aerodyne has banned them. Sparky http://www.flyaerodyne.com/fly/support.aspMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #21 March 27, 2011 Quote Quote Here's a link to Aerodyne on Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Aerodyne-Research-LLC/287559164745 I haven't looked for it on their webpage. Aerodyne has banned them. Sparky http://www.flyaerodyne.com/fly/support.asp Direct link to the SB http://www.flyaerodyne.com/download/SB250311.pdf"I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
