theonlyski 8 #1 March 30, 2011 We currently have 6 stickies containing info on individual manufacturers that are now banning the Argus. I thought it might be time to tidy them up. Here is the current list (as best as I can tell) UPDATED: 24 JUNE 2011 Rigs: Aerodyne http://www.flyaerodyne.com/download/SB250311.pdf Altico http://www.pia.com/piapubs/ServiceBulletins/ASB_0324111.pdf SB revoked: http://www.pia.com/piapubs/ServiceBulletins/alticoSB.pdf Firebird http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=128248 Mirage http://www.pia.com/piapubs/ServiceBulletins/PSB03-11ARGUS-MIRAGESYSTEMS.pdf SB revoked http://www.pia.com/piapubs/ServiceBulletins/PSB6-11.pdf http://www.pia.com/piapubs/ServiceBulletins/PSB6-11-2.pdf Parachutes Australia http://www.pia.com/piapubs/ServiceBulletins/PASB1101_Re_Argus_Installation.pdf Parachute Systems http://www.pia.com/piapubs/ServiceBulletins/ParachuteSystemsServiceBulletin0003.pdf Rigging Innovations http://rigginginnovations.com/support/sb/SB-1548.pdf Strong Enterprises http://www.pia.com/piapubs/ServiceBulletins/SB31.pdf Sunpath http://sunpath.com/docs/SPSB006-3.22.11_0.pdf Sunrise Rigging [url]http://www.pia.com/TechnicalArgusDocuments/201102TMWingsArgus.pdf[/url] UPT http://www.unitedparachutetechnologies.com/PDF/Support/Product%20Service%20Bulletins/Argus-PSB-20110322.pdf Locations: Australia http://www.pia.com/TechnicalArgusDocuments/OrganizationBulletins/APF_TD_01-2011_Argus_AAD_Issued_28.03.2011.pdf Neatherlands http://www.parachute.nl/fileadmin/knvvlpa_upload/pdf/VB_2011-03_Argus_AAD_gebruiksverbod.pdf New Zealand http://www.pia.com/piapubs/ServiceBulletins/NZPIA_Safety_Directive_1-2011.pdf Avicom's statement to PIA (31MAR2011) http://www.pia.com/TechnicalArgusDocuments/PIATechcomDocs/Parachute%20Industry%20Association31Mar11.pdf Airtec Statement on loops: http://www.pia.com/TechnicalArgusDocuments/OtherDocuments/Rigging-notice_20110421_eng.pdf Airtec Cutter info: http://www.pia.com/TechnicalArgusDocuments/OtherDocuments/CYPRES_cutter_loop-032011.pdf Vigil Cutter specs: http://www.pia.com/TechnicalArgusDocuments/OtherDocuments/CutterSpecsVigil.pdf Avicom - Understanding cutters http://www.pia.com/TechnicalArgusDocuments/AviacomTechData/UnderstandingCUTTERS.PDF"I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hcsvader 1 #2 March 30, 2011 Also completely grounded in Australia by the APF.Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bucketlistpilot 1 #3 March 30, 2011 What a surprise move from them Ian Purvis http://www.loadupsoftware.com LoadUp DZ Management App admin@loadupsoftware.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #4 March 30, 2011 Altico too?!?!? =========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BKR 0 #5 March 30, 2011 QuoteWe currently have 6 stickies containing info on individual manufacturers that are now banning the Argus. I thought it might be time to tidy them up. Here is the current list (as best as I can tell) Aerodyne http://www.flyaerodyne.com/download/SB250311.pdf Altico http://www.pia.com/piapubs/ServiceBulletins/ASB_0324111.pdf Mirage http://www.pia.com/piapubs/ServiceBulletins/PSB03-11ARGUS-MIRAGESYSTEMS.pdf Parachute Systems http://www.pia.com/piapubs/ServiceBulletins/ParachuteSystemsServiceBulletin0003.pdf Rigging Innovations http://rigginginnovations.com/support/sb/SB-1548.pdf Sunpath http://sunpath.com/docs/SPSB006-3.22.11_0.pdf UPT http://www.unitedparachutetechnologies.com/PDF/Support/Product%20Service%20Bulletins/Argus-PSB-20110322.pdf BASIK HAS NOT BANNED THE ARGUS YET. THIS SB IS FROM 2006.Jérôme Bunker Basik Air Concept www.basik.fr http://www.facebook.com/pages/Le-Luc-France/BASIK-AIR-CONCEPT/172133350468 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rugby82 0 #6 March 30, 2011 Argus is completely banned in the Netherlands. http://www.parachute.nl/fileadmin/knvvlpa_upload/pdf/VB_2011-03_Argus_AAD_gebruiksverbod.pdfBlue skies! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #7 March 30, 2011 QuoteBASIK HAS NOT BANNED THE ARGUS YET. THIS SB IS FROM 2006.Jerôme, could you also for clarity give us the date this SB has been revoked ?scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BKR 0 #8 March 30, 2011 QuoteQuoteBASIK HAS NOT BANNED THE ARGUS YET. THIS SB IS FROM 2006.Jerôme, could you also for clarity give us the date this SB has been revoked ? 9th of May 2007.Jérôme Bunker Basik Air Concept www.basik.fr http://www.facebook.com/pages/Le-Luc-France/BASIK-AIR-CONCEPT/172133350468 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #9 March 30, 2011 Very well. Mods, I can no longer edit the OP, can someone help me out?"I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #10 March 30, 2011 I've corrected the list,Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
asphaltpussy 0 #11 March 31, 2011 Firebird banned the Argus AAD too on all their rigsR&D Firebird USA Skyventure Arizona Instructor Eloy, AZ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #12 March 31, 2011 Apparently Sunrise is not banning Argus for Wings containers. http://blueskiesmag.com/2011/03/31/wings-containers-argus-all-good/"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #13 March 31, 2011 Altico revokes their Service Bulletin banning Argus: http://www.pia.com/piapubs/ServiceBulletins/alticoSB.pdfYesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,058 #14 March 31, 2011 >Apparently Sunrise is not banning Argus for Wings containers. That makes sense; the location of the cutter in the Wings container will not result in a locked container if the cutter fires but does not cut the loop. (True of Javelins as well.) However, it does not protect against a partially severed loop that breaks later during handling of the rig, so it's still important to inspect the AAD to see if that has happened. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #15 March 31, 2011 I thought of something today, what if it only severs the outer portion of the closing loop, allowing the finger trap to shift and encase the pin... It SHOULDN'T effect it, but that's adding quit a bit of contact area to the pin."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #16 April 1, 2011 Paratec Statement - http://www.pia.com/piapubs/ServiceBulletins/AADStatement.pdf Strong Service Bulletin http://www.pia.com/piapubs/ServiceBulletins/SB31.pdfYesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #17 April 2, 2011 Wanna add those to the list? "I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,422 #18 April 2, 2011 Hi ski, Re: The ban for the Dolphin by Altico, I have just received a CANCELLATION OF SERVICE BULLETIN #ASB 032411 from Altico. It says in part: "After further consideration, and review of additional information, Altico has reached the conclusion tht because of the location of the cutter on the Dolphin, it would not be possible for that scenario to occur on a Dolphin." JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #19 April 3, 2011 In my opinion Basik's message concerning AAD's is the best. It is not up to rig manufacturers to approve or not an AAD. If one is installed it should be done according to the manual.scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #20 April 3, 2011 Who's manual? the AAD's or the Rigs? If a Rig manufacturer says that the AAD states it has to be in "X" location and the Rig says that is not feasible, then I would suggest the Rig's manual is the one to win out. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #21 April 4, 2011 Lets see, so the Manufacturers that are still approving the Argus are.... Rigs that still allow Argus Jumpshack Racer Strong Enterprises Quasar II Sunrise Manufacturing Wings Altico Dolphin =========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #22 April 4, 2011 QuoteStrong Enterprises Quasar II Where do you see that? According to the SB posted higher up in the thread: QuoteIdentification: Dual Hawk Tandem System P/N 103000 through 103005. We do not approve the Argus AAD’s to be used in any of Strong Enterprises solo skydiving systems Emphasis added by me. I see that as saying that NO strong solo or Dual Hawk (PN 103000-103005) are authorized Argus installs."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #23 April 4, 2011 Ah, good catch, I didn't read that far into that particular SB. Lets see, so the Manufacturers that are still approving the Argus are.... Rigs that still allow Argus Jumpshack Racer Sunrise Manufacturing Wings Altico Dolphin =========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #24 April 4, 2011 Wouldn't Reflex & Eclipse be on the list, since they have not banned it ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #25 April 4, 2011 QuoteWouldn't Reflex & Eclipse be on the list, since they have not banned it ? Hmmm, I didn't know how to consider Reflex and Eclipse, since the TSO's are intact but the companies are no more. Rigs that still allow Argus Jumpshack Racer Strong Enterprises Quasar II Sunrise Manufacturing Wings Altico Dolphin Flightline Reflex Eclipse =========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
