Lolie 0 #51 November 27, 2003 I'm guessing this. Not something you want tattooed onto yourself if you don't know what it means. -Miranda you shall above all things be glad and young / For if you're young,whatever life you wear it will become you;and if you are glad / whatever's living will yourself become. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #52 November 27, 2003 QuoteQuotesaw something on the wall flash that looked like a yin-yang, but with three swirley things, not two ok...what was the symbol? I can't visualize it. this one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #53 November 27, 2003 QuoteLegit pins always curve the one way. But the employees at your company won't know the difference. So make all 60 of theirs so they go the wrong way, and real skydivers will be able to spot the posers. lmao!... just flip it over..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dumpster 0 #54 November 27, 2003 QuoteQuoteLegit pins always curve the one way. But the employees at your company won't know the difference. So make all 60 of theirs so they go the wrong way, and real skydivers will be able to spot the posers. lmao!... just flip it over..... What about if you jump a pull-out rig and wear a straight pin? And my daughter, who has about 100 pack jobs under her belt, and will be starting AFF this spring, (after an hour in the tunnel with myself and a bunch of my fellow 4-way freaks-) wears a closing pin necklace, even though she has yet to make a jump. She does know the people, the sport and the lifestyle. Anybody think she is "ineligible" to wear it? Edited to add - Yeah - it was proper in my book to turn down the order. It cheapens the meaning of the pin. Now, if you get all 60 of those folks to do a jump and then pack - - Easy Does It Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloud9 0 #55 November 27, 2003 Wow frankly I'm surprised at the results here. A closing pin necklace in no way makes you a skydiver. Last time I looked at my logbook I was a skydiver and I would not wear a closing pin necklace. Just not my kind of thing. I have to agree its no different then wearing a hat, or starter jacket or many of the other things out there that represent a sport. The closing pin necklace is nothing more then a trinket, now if it were given as an award for something then that would be much different. But alas its just jewelry, so make an order and give the wuffo's something to talk about and it might even actually promote our sport so Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MC208B 0 #56 November 27, 2003 I would have went for the money I think Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #57 November 27, 2003 Quotekind hearts and high jump numbers. Now that's a rare breed! I think on something like this - If you've jumped, that's enough for me. I don't care if it was Tandem, SL or if you're a world champion. What makes us the same is what we experience between the door and the floor. Even if we do that only once - that's an infinite amount more than all those whuffo's who talk about it in bars but never get to the DZ. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
michaelflying 0 #58 November 27, 2003 should have substitude the pin for something elsewww.skydivekzn.co.za Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bendywendy 0 #59 November 27, 2003 I agree. It's just a piece of jewelry. We aren't a secret society. Anyone who walks into any skydiving shop can buy one and should not be discouraged from doing so. Stop with the wholier than thou attitudes already. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vonSanta 0 #60 November 27, 2003 Well, if you gotta sell to whuffos, tellum you have to destroy one rig for every closing pin - and price the necklace accordingly. Skydivers get hungry too, right? Santa Von GrossenArsch I only come in one flavour ohwaitthatcanbemisunderst Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Merrick 0 #61 November 27, 2003 QuoteQuoteLegit pins always curve the one way. But the employees at your company won't know the difference. So make all 60 of theirs so they go the wrong way, and real skydivers will be able to spot the posers. They do? And which way is that? (Guess I'm not a real skydiver... ) The pins on my necklace point both ways... Yeah, didn't realize that myself. Pam and I have been making necklaces for people for about 3 years now and we've never really paid any attention to that little detail. Guess the correct way would be upside down. LOL I would have gone for the cash myself. We took an order once from a DZ owner for about 50 necklaces once, and I did have to choke back my comments about selling them to 1st timers & spectators, but hey the $$$ all spends the same. Blues! Merrick Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BabaLouie 0 #62 November 27, 2003 Following your logic, as I understand it, then YOU should not wear any piece of clothing that has the branded name of a company on it, where as this company logo indicates that you may be an athlete, own a BMW, snow ski, only own stereos made by Sony ... etc, etc, etc. I do not see your point, make the freakin jewelry for your boss and put the money in the bank. BabaLouie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #63 November 27, 2003 You did the right thing.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bendywendy 0 #64 November 27, 2003 I agree. It's a necklace for crying out loud. If I want to give one to every single person I know - I will. It doesn't matter if they have a clue what it is. When someone asks them about it they can say "This? My friend/sister whoever gave this to me - it has something to do with skydiving." Publicity, baby - bring in more people. Wearing a necklace does not make one a skydiver. And being a skydiver is not some thing that makes you better than anyone else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lee03 0 #65 November 28, 2003 I think you did the right thing. This is not being holier than thou. The pin is a symbol. It means something to us.. it's important. You did the right thing.-------- To put your life in danger from time to time ... breeds a saneness in dealing with day-to-day trivialities. --Nevil Shute, Slide Rule Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloudseeker2001 0 #66 November 28, 2003 you missed your easy 1K.................. "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bendywendy 0 #67 November 28, 2003 It's only a symbol because you're making it into one. Someone one day thought it was cool and hung it on a string. It isn't something you need to show a license to buy. It's jewelery pure and simple. Some people put a lot of meaning into it - usually newer jumpers. I used to wear one and used to make them but since almost everyone has one I don't like to wear it anymore. Wow, maybe no one will recognize the fact that I'm a skydiver without my symbol. Maybe I'm not a skydiver unless I wear one... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fudd 0 #68 November 28, 2003 Quoteyou missed your easy 1K.................. Well, it would actually be some work involved in making them. I'm not fanatic about who can wear one, but it's a symbol of skydiving. Compare it with wearing a crusifix/cross necklace. You don't have to be a christian, but that what it symbolices. Christians may not be thrilled that many people wear them for fashion. Symbols are strong, but if it's misused they can loose their meaning. Take the swastica (nazi cross) as an example of how the sight of a symbol can make you feel. Don't underestimate the power of symbols. Closing pins are a symbol for our sport, and many skydivers feel strongly about it. It's not a holier than though issue, it's a "this is important for me" issue. It's a part of our identity. I gave one to my girlfriend. She's not a skydiver, but since she is very close to me I think it is right for her to wear one. It's a part of me as she is. There are only 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BabaLouie 0 #69 November 28, 2003 /* I'm not fanatic about who can wear one, but it's a symbol of skydiving. */ I disagree, it is a closing pin, nothing more... what should a rigger put around his or her neck ? /*Symbols are strong, but if it's misused they can loose their meaning. */ I agree, I was in the military and I fully understand the value of symbols. Nations go to war based on a symbol. However, I do not quite see this happening from a closing pin. /* Closing pins are a symbol for our sport, and many skydivers feel strongly about it. It's not a holier than though issue, it's a "this is important for me" issue. It's a part of our identity. */ Once again, a closing pin is only a component of your rig. Skydiving has many 'symbols' and 'logos' but some seem to think that the closing pin is the 'crucifix' of skydiving. I am not so arrogant that I think skydiving has elevated me above the average person and therefore I need a symbol for me to be identified with. /* I gave one to my girlfriend. She's not a skydiver, but since she is very close to me I think it is right for her to wear one. It's a part of me as she is. */ Incorrect decision here, she is not a skydiver, per your logic and the logic of others she should not wear this 'symbol'. By thinking you have the power to decide that it is ok for her to wear your 'symbol' you have cheapened your 'symbol' as well as show arrogance and reckless inconsideration for your fellow skydivers. In the event that your relationship ends, will you be requesting the return of your 'symbol' ? I am not Jewish, should I wear a Star of David ? I can, but I will not because it identifies me as something that I am not, therefore I will not be disrespectful to the symbol or the race of the people for whom this symbol is important. Certainly is is easy to become arrogant and bighead about being a skydiver, sure, many people look at us in awe. But we are not gods, which is attested to by the fact that skydivers continue to die under perfectly good canopies. A closing pin necklace achieves the same marketing result as wearing a cap or shirt that has one of the other many 'symbols' of skydiving on it. It helps to bring new people into our sport. It does not elevate us above the average person in life. BabaLouie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #70 November 28, 2003 I think you should have done it... It could have potentially brought more money to the sport.. More interest.. More people.. I think you made a mistake.. Just because we skydive doesn't make us elite.. We are normal people that have one thing in common.. Our love for this sport and the friendships that come with it.. Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #71 November 28, 2003 Money is money! Also, every little thing you do that makes skydiving more attractive/visible to the general public helps skydiving in the long run. By the same logic, should I refuse to sell camera mounts to people who do not satisfy the Australian Parachute Federation's recommendations of a minimum of 500 tandem jumps? Sorry if i don't respect your narrow-minded fashion statement, but there a bungee-jumper who wants a camera mount and I am off to finish the patterns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MuffDiver 0 #72 November 28, 2003 I think that you did the right thing, but you could offer to make some similar necklaces just substitute the closing pin for something else or eliminate it all together. There you go $1000.00 and no dilema with the closing pins. --I don't know if this had already been suggested but I wasn't going to read 3 pages to find out-- __________________________________________________ Don't take life too seriously. You'll never get out alive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
