Firemage 0 #51 November 20, 2003 QuoteWhenever and where ever I have traveled, when asked where I come from, my first reply is 'I'm from Planet Earth.' AMEN to that! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Fireflyer 0 #52 November 20, 2003 what kind of thread is this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #53 November 20, 2003 First, for Shark: Deeply Pro-American (of course). Next, for AdD: QuoteYou are kidding yourself if you think you have complete freedom to criticize the US government. Sure they may not haul you into the rose garden and execute you, but try to publish in a major journal and see how far you get. Noam Chomsky, a professor of linguistics at MIT and one of the sharpest political analysts I've come across, is a great example of this. The guy has some excellent points, firmly based on rationality and objectivity, but he is widely ignored. There is no need for government censorship when the media censures itself and ignores its journalistic obligations. Pick up any newspaper, any US hosted web-site, and you'll find plenty of publications that openly criticize the US Govt. This level of freedom of press does not exist in Canada, the UK, France or Germany. I understand your perception, but just because someone doesn't pay attention, doesn't mean another is being censored. Censorship is forced suppression of ideas. Chomsky was ignored a lot of mainstream media, but that did not stop dozens of interviews, or a debate with ex-CIA Director James Woolsey which was covered by PBS. He wasn't suppressed, or marched off into the darkness by the police. I would argue that his political acumen, while quite impressive, is hardly objective. The Detroit Metro Times had an interview of his from 1991. The guy is creepy in my opinion, and while I won't discount what he says, I do discount how he tries to tie timelines and policy implementation.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 4 #54 November 20, 2003 QuoteCould be a whole lot better And it could be a whole lot worse.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites akarunway 1 #55 November 20, 2003 I'm movin as soon as i can put a couple hundred in an offshore bank acct. New Zealand's looking good. or Costa RicaI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mikkey 0 #56 November 20, 2003 A few thoughts: 1) The "black and white" "simplified" approach used in this thread is very unhealthy. The world is slightly more complex then that. 2) Patriotism is good - but only up to a limit - blind patriotism is just that. It makes you blind towards other cultures and ideas. (and will loose you friends….) 3) Just because you disagree with certain policies of the current government does not make you anti-American. Governments come and go – the basic values and culture do not really change just because government change. Branding people "anit-American" because of politics is a deeply anti-democratic approach. 4) I have lived in 5 countries on opposite sides of the world and visited at least 30 on all continents. The one thing I learned is that every country and every population has something to offer. Even the poorest place – because it is often there you meet the nicest people. I also learned that no country is perfect. Which place you like best depends of what you are looking for. It is very normal that most people will designate their own country as “the best” - home is always best . I have lived less then 1/3 of my live in my country of origin; and I still get goose bumps when I hear the National anthem even after many years away. Nothing wrong with that - as long you do not dis-respect others and become narrow minded.--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites feuergnom 28 #57 November 20, 2003 QuoteThis level of freedom of press does not exist in Canada, the UK, France or Germany. sorry but this is complete BS! maybe you had no chance to read other papers and so you had to come up with a conclusion like that... there's other channels of information in uk then yellow press like the sun, daily mirror etc and many others in the u.s. besides fox & cnn and the american yellow press @mikkey: so true!The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites aneblett 0 #58 November 20, 2003 here! here!S.E.X. party #2 ..It is far worse to live with fear, than to die confronting it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #59 November 20, 2003 Quotelevel of freedom of press does not exist in Canada, the UK, France or Germany. I wonder what the hell you know about freedom of the German press? and the Canadian? just drop some references... what are your sources for such a statement?!? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 4 #60 November 20, 2003 QuoteI'm movin as soon as i can put a couple hundred in an offshore bank acct. New Zealand's looking good. or Costa Rica Don't let the door hit you.......My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Flygator 0 #61 November 20, 2003 HOOOWAH!!! USA all the way!!! The secret to life is not arriving at the grave in a well preserved body but sliding in sideways completely worn out yelling "holy crap" what a ride!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhoenixFire 0 #62 November 20, 2003 mmm wouldn't say i am anti or pro american - as long as the american government stays within their borders - I don't think most of the world cares. BTW whilest you wanna debut non issues do u remember this thread ?? NON AMERICAN THREAD !!! http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=249487;page=1;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25;Peace Be Da Journey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scratch 0 #63 November 20, 2003 Ahh those were the days. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhoenixFire 0 #64 November 20, 2003 yes they where even though i was not involved enough in them. yip talking , laughing running in the sun !! I think i am getting all nostolgic over here Peace Be Da Journey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 219 #65 November 20, 2003 Quote 1) The "black and white" "simplified" approach used in this thread is very unhealthy. The world is slightly more complex then that. Only if you want it to be to help your argument.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #66 November 20, 2003 QuoteOnly if you want it to be to help your argument. That is the most laughable statement I have reda in a while. Dr.: Sir, you have cancer Patient: Ohh no Dr.: but fear not, you only have it if you want to, if you don't want to, you wont have it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 219 #67 November 20, 2003 QuoteQuoteOnly if you want it to be to help your argument. That is the most laughable statement I have reda in a while. Dr.: Sir, you have cancer Patient: Ohh no Dr.: but fear not, you only have it if you want to, if you don't want to, you wont have it OK, so if you hear your doctor say that you are pregnant, are you just a shade of pregnant? In referance to your doctor: You either have cancer, or you don't. Pretty simple, try to grasp it.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #68 November 20, 2003 QuoteOK, so if you hear your doctor say that you are pregnant, are you just a shade of pregnant? In referance to your doctor: You either have cancer, or you don't. Pretty simple, try to grasp it. And then it can be terminal or not, treatable or not, all different kinds of treatment and all different kinds of cancer. pretty complex, I guess I can't ask you to try and grasp it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Vallerina 2 #69 November 20, 2003 Quotemy point is that not being pro american doenst make you anti american. If you cant understand that, well, i really diont know what else to say..... Hmm....so not being pro-Remster doesn't make me anti-Remster? Interesting...There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 219 #70 November 20, 2003 The basics, try for the basics. The question is weather or not you ar Pro American, or Anti-American. Imagine it this way, the little blue cross on the pregnancy test is Pro American The little pink Dash is Anti-American. If you were to take the test, would you have a plus sign or a minus sign. I know it's difficult, but I think you can do it.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #71 November 20, 2003 ***Imagine it this way, the little blue cross on the pregnancy test is Pro American The little pink Dash is Anti-American. If you were to take the test, would you have a plus sign or a minus sign. I know it's difficult, but I think you can do it. *** Actually, even the pregnancy test has an option called inconclusive. Once again, life isn't that simple, but now I know I can't ask you to try and grasp that. What if my feelings regarding the US are neutral. You tell me, does that make me pro or anti? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scratch 0 #72 November 20, 2003 Ooops It looks like my pregnancy test kit is a dud No pink, no blue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 30 #73 November 20, 2003 QuoteHmm....so not being pro-Remster doesn't make me anti-Remster? Interesting... Completely different topic..... Not being Pro-Remster makes you a [Mr T voice] damm fool [/Mr T voice] Remsters are endengered species, due to their lack of commun sense and survival skills....Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites grega 0 #74 November 20, 2003 Why didn't you ask: -Pro-Earth -Anti-Earth Off course those that live in america are pro-americans, and those that don't are anti-americans. At least for most of the cases... Everyone loves the country where he was born, and it doesn't matter which country is that."George just lucky i guess!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Vallerina 2 #75 November 20, 2003 QuoteEveryone loves the country where he was born, and it doesn't matter which country is that. You may be right. I was fortunate to grow up with a roof over my head, a decent education, the best older brother ever, food everyday, and the opportunity to pursue many interests. It's hard to despise a place that offers all of that. So, I definitely don't fit into "Anti-American." I do not like what our President is doing. I never liked what the mayor of Chicago does. I do not like what Senator Lugar does. There are many politicians that I do not like (I am thinking of ways of attaching a polygraph to every politician.) I do not like some of the laws of this country. I do not like some of the foreign affairs this country has. I do not like the air pollution of this country (and I am a hypocrite for driving so much.) I do not like many people in this country. There are many things that I do not like about this country, because there is not a perfect country out there. They all have problems. So, I'm not really sure what "Pro-American" means. If it means that I'll support whatever happens here, then I am not Pro-American. If it means that I think it's a decent country with many opportunities, then I am Pro-American. Also, the great thing about this country is that even though I can't stand some of what we're doing right now, it will change.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 3 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Fireflyer 0 #52 November 20, 2003 what kind of thread is this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #53 November 20, 2003 First, for Shark: Deeply Pro-American (of course). Next, for AdD: QuoteYou are kidding yourself if you think you have complete freedom to criticize the US government. Sure they may not haul you into the rose garden and execute you, but try to publish in a major journal and see how far you get. Noam Chomsky, a professor of linguistics at MIT and one of the sharpest political analysts I've come across, is a great example of this. The guy has some excellent points, firmly based on rationality and objectivity, but he is widely ignored. There is no need for government censorship when the media censures itself and ignores its journalistic obligations. Pick up any newspaper, any US hosted web-site, and you'll find plenty of publications that openly criticize the US Govt. This level of freedom of press does not exist in Canada, the UK, France or Germany. I understand your perception, but just because someone doesn't pay attention, doesn't mean another is being censored. Censorship is forced suppression of ideas. Chomsky was ignored a lot of mainstream media, but that did not stop dozens of interviews, or a debate with ex-CIA Director James Woolsey which was covered by PBS. He wasn't suppressed, or marched off into the darkness by the police. I would argue that his political acumen, while quite impressive, is hardly objective. The Detroit Metro Times had an interview of his from 1991. The guy is creepy in my opinion, and while I won't discount what he says, I do discount how he tries to tie timelines and policy implementation.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #54 November 20, 2003 QuoteCould be a whole lot better And it could be a whole lot worse.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #55 November 20, 2003 I'm movin as soon as i can put a couple hundred in an offshore bank acct. New Zealand's looking good. or Costa RicaI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #56 November 20, 2003 A few thoughts: 1) The "black and white" "simplified" approach used in this thread is very unhealthy. The world is slightly more complex then that. 2) Patriotism is good - but only up to a limit - blind patriotism is just that. It makes you blind towards other cultures and ideas. (and will loose you friends….) 3) Just because you disagree with certain policies of the current government does not make you anti-American. Governments come and go – the basic values and culture do not really change just because government change. Branding people "anit-American" because of politics is a deeply anti-democratic approach. 4) I have lived in 5 countries on opposite sides of the world and visited at least 30 on all continents. The one thing I learned is that every country and every population has something to offer. Even the poorest place – because it is often there you meet the nicest people. I also learned that no country is perfect. Which place you like best depends of what you are looking for. It is very normal that most people will designate their own country as “the best” - home is always best . I have lived less then 1/3 of my live in my country of origin; and I still get goose bumps when I hear the National anthem even after many years away. Nothing wrong with that - as long you do not dis-respect others and become narrow minded.--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 28 #57 November 20, 2003 QuoteThis level of freedom of press does not exist in Canada, the UK, France or Germany. sorry but this is complete BS! maybe you had no chance to read other papers and so you had to come up with a conclusion like that... there's other channels of information in uk then yellow press like the sun, daily mirror etc and many others in the u.s. besides fox & cnn and the american yellow press @mikkey: so true!The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aneblett 0 #58 November 20, 2003 here! here!S.E.X. party #2 ..It is far worse to live with fear, than to die confronting it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #59 November 20, 2003 Quotelevel of freedom of press does not exist in Canada, the UK, France or Germany. I wonder what the hell you know about freedom of the German press? and the Canadian? just drop some references... what are your sources for such a statement?!? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #60 November 20, 2003 QuoteI'm movin as soon as i can put a couple hundred in an offshore bank acct. New Zealand's looking good. or Costa Rica Don't let the door hit you.......My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flygator 0 #61 November 20, 2003 HOOOWAH!!! USA all the way!!! The secret to life is not arriving at the grave in a well preserved body but sliding in sideways completely worn out yelling "holy crap" what a ride!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhoenixFire 0 #62 November 20, 2003 mmm wouldn't say i am anti or pro american - as long as the american government stays within their borders - I don't think most of the world cares. BTW whilest you wanna debut non issues do u remember this thread ?? NON AMERICAN THREAD !!! http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=249487;page=1;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25;Peace Be Da Journey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scratch 0 #63 November 20, 2003 Ahh those were the days. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhoenixFire 0 #64 November 20, 2003 yes they where even though i was not involved enough in them. yip talking , laughing running in the sun !! I think i am getting all nostolgic over here Peace Be Da Journey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 219 #65 November 20, 2003 Quote 1) The "black and white" "simplified" approach used in this thread is very unhealthy. The world is slightly more complex then that. Only if you want it to be to help your argument.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #66 November 20, 2003 QuoteOnly if you want it to be to help your argument. That is the most laughable statement I have reda in a while. Dr.: Sir, you have cancer Patient: Ohh no Dr.: but fear not, you only have it if you want to, if you don't want to, you wont have it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 219 #67 November 20, 2003 QuoteQuoteOnly if you want it to be to help your argument. That is the most laughable statement I have reda in a while. Dr.: Sir, you have cancer Patient: Ohh no Dr.: but fear not, you only have it if you want to, if you don't want to, you wont have it OK, so if you hear your doctor say that you are pregnant, are you just a shade of pregnant? In referance to your doctor: You either have cancer, or you don't. Pretty simple, try to grasp it.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #68 November 20, 2003 QuoteOK, so if you hear your doctor say that you are pregnant, are you just a shade of pregnant? In referance to your doctor: You either have cancer, or you don't. Pretty simple, try to grasp it. And then it can be terminal or not, treatable or not, all different kinds of treatment and all different kinds of cancer. pretty complex, I guess I can't ask you to try and grasp it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #69 November 20, 2003 Quotemy point is that not being pro american doenst make you anti american. If you cant understand that, well, i really diont know what else to say..... Hmm....so not being pro-Remster doesn't make me anti-Remster? Interesting...There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 219 #70 November 20, 2003 The basics, try for the basics. The question is weather or not you ar Pro American, or Anti-American. Imagine it this way, the little blue cross on the pregnancy test is Pro American The little pink Dash is Anti-American. If you were to take the test, would you have a plus sign or a minus sign. I know it's difficult, but I think you can do it.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #71 November 20, 2003 ***Imagine it this way, the little blue cross on the pregnancy test is Pro American The little pink Dash is Anti-American. If you were to take the test, would you have a plus sign or a minus sign. I know it's difficult, but I think you can do it. *** Actually, even the pregnancy test has an option called inconclusive. Once again, life isn't that simple, but now I know I can't ask you to try and grasp that. What if my feelings regarding the US are neutral. You tell me, does that make me pro or anti? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scratch 0 #72 November 20, 2003 Ooops It looks like my pregnancy test kit is a dud No pink, no blue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #73 November 20, 2003 QuoteHmm....so not being pro-Remster doesn't make me anti-Remster? Interesting... Completely different topic..... Not being Pro-Remster makes you a [Mr T voice] damm fool [/Mr T voice] Remsters are endengered species, due to their lack of commun sense and survival skills....Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grega 0 #74 November 20, 2003 Why didn't you ask: -Pro-Earth -Anti-Earth Off course those that live in america are pro-americans, and those that don't are anti-americans. At least for most of the cases... Everyone loves the country where he was born, and it doesn't matter which country is that."George just lucky i guess!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #75 November 20, 2003 QuoteEveryone loves the country where he was born, and it doesn't matter which country is that. You may be right. I was fortunate to grow up with a roof over my head, a decent education, the best older brother ever, food everyday, and the opportunity to pursue many interests. It's hard to despise a place that offers all of that. So, I definitely don't fit into "Anti-American." I do not like what our President is doing. I never liked what the mayor of Chicago does. I do not like what Senator Lugar does. There are many politicians that I do not like (I am thinking of ways of attaching a polygraph to every politician.) I do not like some of the laws of this country. I do not like some of the foreign affairs this country has. I do not like the air pollution of this country (and I am a hypocrite for driving so much.) I do not like many people in this country. There are many things that I do not like about this country, because there is not a perfect country out there. They all have problems. So, I'm not really sure what "Pro-American" means. If it means that I'll support whatever happens here, then I am not Pro-American. If it means that I think it's a decent country with many opportunities, then I am Pro-American. Also, the great thing about this country is that even though I can't stand some of what we're doing right now, it will change.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
