Hooknswoop 19 #51 April 27, 2011 QuoteManufacturers can ground any of their products. When Cessna decided to get out of the helicopter market, they bought back all the Skyhook helicopters they had made and cut them up. Similarly, when Beechcraft decided to get out of the canard market, they bought back all the Starships and cut them up. If the manufacturer could ground their aircraft, they would not have bought them back, they would have grounded them. Aircraft fly every day, legally, with manufacturer's SB's not complied with. Derek V Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #52 April 27, 2011 QuoteIf any of your rigging customers dies - and it can be proven that you ignored a Service Bulletin, Airworthiness Directive, etc. - you stand alone in court. I think if I ended up in court, it would be me and my lawyer, regardless of SB's and AD's. Derek V Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #53 April 27, 2011 QuoteQuoteManufacturers can ground any of their products. When Cessna decided to get out of the helicopter market, they bought back all the Skyhook helicopters they had made and cut them up. Similarly, when Beechcraft decided to get out of the canard market, they bought back all the Starships and cut them up. If the manufacturer could ground their aircraft, they would not have bought them back, they would have grounded them. Aircraft fly every day, legally, with manufacturer's SB's not complied with. Derek V In reading this discussion (http://www.aerolegalservices.com/Articles/Service%20Bulletins%20Clarified.shtml) that is mostly true. But do we want it to be taken so far as to have a manual amended the manufacturer and/or an AC or AD posted by the FAA? MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #54 April 27, 2011 QuoteQuoteIf any of your rigging customers dies - and it can be proven that you ignored a Service Bulletin, Airworthiness Directive, etc. - you stand alone in court. I think if I ended up in court, it would be me and my lawyer, regardless of SB's and AD's. Derek V ...................................................................... That pre-supposes that your lawyers are vastly more trustworthy than any lawyer I have ever met! Judging from my recent experiences in divorce court ... I would trust a lawyer any farther than I could throw him! If I ever get dragged into court - after a skydiver dies - my defense will be "page 14 in the Vector manual," "page 22 in the Raven manual," and "page 64 in the Cypres manual." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #55 April 27, 2011 Quoteyou stand alone in court I think you missed my point. I think that regardless of SB's/AD's, whatever, you stand alone in court. That is besides the point of this discussion, which is are manufacturer's SB's mandatory. The short answer is that they are not. Derek V Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #56 April 28, 2011 "Quote... That is besides the point of this discussion, which is are manufacturer's SB's mandatory? The short answer is that they are not. Derek V" .................................................................... We will just have to agree to disagree on this point. Rob Warner FAA Master Rigger (back seat and chest) CSPA Rigger Examiner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ufk22 33 #57 April 28, 2011 The interesting part of this entire discussion (not just this thread, but the many others about the Argus) is that there are as many people in this sport as there seem to be that feel someone (themselves or others) would be better off with an AAD that could potentially lock their reserve closed, delay reserve deployment, or, in the case of a cut loop locked in a fired cutter, cause a premature reserve deployment on a later jump, than jumping with no AAD at all. I am an Argus owner. After the first incident in Poland I wondered if the blame was being unfairly shifted to the ADD. With the history since, I have not made a jump with my Argus activated, and it is currently at my riggers, being removed. I would seriously question the ethics of any rigger that would repack a rig with an Argus.This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
