DanF 0 #1 April 25, 2011 I just started jumping my new Javelin and love the rig but can't understand why Sunpath hasn't figured out a way to loose the last bit of Velcro on the bridle next to the main closing pin :-( Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
danielcroft 2 #2 April 25, 2011 As I understand it, it's there to make sure people leave a reasonable amount of slack in their bridle. There have been several instances of people's containers being locked closed that have been attributed to overly tight bridles. I'm not sure what other solution there is that isn't just relying on people doing it right (like my Infinity). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #3 April 25, 2011 the other solution is to put a piece of elastic in the same place that he hook velcro sits, and possibly a stiffener on the the bridle. Tuck the piece of bridle into that pocket, and voila - finally no more velcro ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanF 0 #4 April 25, 2011 Yea - I understood the need for it - or something to hold the slack - but surely they can figure out a way to loose the last piece of velcro on the rig?? It just annoys me that's all... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellis 0 #5 April 25, 2011 We have magnets everywhere else now on the rigs so why not on the bridle? In a few years we wont need to take grips when we exit, the magnets makes sure we only have one group exiting the plane Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,362 #6 April 25, 2011 Hi Dan, Quote surely they can figure out a way to loose the last piece of velcro on the rig?? You would still have it on the ripcord handle pocket & the cutaway handle; I 'think.' JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanF 0 #7 April 25, 2011 Hey Jerry, Thanks for reminding me about these - forgot I guess - never had to use them! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bofh 0 #8 April 25, 2011 QuoteI just started jumping my new Javelin and love the rig but can't understand why Sunpath hasn't figured out a way to loose the last bit of Velcro on the bridle next to the main closing pin :-( That velcro is (as others already have said) only to show how much slack there should be, so there is no need to replace it once it wears out, just make sure you still put the bridle at the same spot to get the same amount of slack. Without wear being an issue, what's the problem with it? A simple line sewed/painted to the bridle and the rig would work just as well, but people that don't read manuals would not get it, but they do seem to mate the velcro. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanF 0 #9 April 25, 2011 QuoteQuoteI just started jumping my new Javelin and love the rig but can't understand why Sunpath hasn't figured out a way to loose the last bit of Velcro on the bridle next to the main closing pin :-( That velcro is (as others already have said) only to show how much slack there should be, so there is no need to replace it once it wears out, just make sure you still put the bridle at the same spot to get the same amount of slack. Without wear being an issue, what's the problem with it? A simple line sewed/painted to the bridle and the rig would work just as well, but people that don't read manuals would not get it, but they do seem to mate the velcro. Nothing wrong with it other than not being a fan of velcro. It's good to hear everyone's thoughts on this thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #10 April 25, 2011 QuoteWithout wear being an issue, what's the problem with it? Besides it wearing out, the velcro hook will damage spectra lines. The velcro used to secure the cutaway pad and reserve handle isn't at all likely to come in contact with lines, but the bridle is. For that purpose of putting it on the bridle, I would just remove it and keep an appropriate amount of slack. Plenty of rigs do without that bit of velcro. Dual lock fastener is a really cool alternative to velcro. both sides are identical, and it doesn't damage lines. It is like tiny mushroom shaped caps that mate together, and give a tactile and audible click to indicate they are mated. http://www.pack-n-tape.com/cart/3m-dual-lock-reclosable-fasteners/People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,444 #11 April 25, 2011 That sounds cool. But I'll admit my first reaction when I saw the thread title was "because it's sooooooooooo much better than dot snaps Wendy P. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kingbunky 3 #12 April 25, 2011 don't forget the javelin freebag! i hate where javelin has their's. inside the line pocket? why not in it's own pocket (like wings) or outside the pocket (like infinity) or lose it all together and go with a tuck tab type think like a berger bag. maybe it's because changing anything to do with the reserve deployment system messes with the tso or something. i dunno. it's still a stupid place for velcro. "Hang on a sec, the young'uns are throwin' beer cans at a golf cart." MB4252 TDS699 killing threads since 2001 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nt8us 0 #13 April 25, 2011 LOL most of these guys probably dont have a clue what a dot snap is Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #14 April 25, 2011 Quote We have magnets everywhere else now on the rigs so why not on the bridle? You don't have magnets on the bridle? Hmm, weird "I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanF 0 #15 April 25, 2011 Quote Quote We have magnets everywhere else now on the rigs so why not on the bridle? You don't have magnets on the bridle? Hmm, weird Nice! The magnet looks great! What rigs use this method? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #16 April 25, 2011 Quote Quote Quote We have magnets everywhere else now on the rigs so why not on the bridle? You don't have magnets on the bridle? Hmm, weird Nice! The magnet looks great! What rigs use this method? None. Custom job, only one I know of in existence. "I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpsalot-2 3 #17 April 25, 2011 What ever happened to common sense ? If you don't leave slack for the pin to clear the closing loop, you will get a pilot chute it tow. It may be the most important part of the pack job. We should know how to create slack on any rig we come across, without arrows pointing the way.Life is short ... jump often. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fcajump 164 #18 April 26, 2011 What is this obsession with loosing the velcro?? I'm not saying that some of the changes we've made aren't for the better, but come on... As to personally ensuring that the slack is there, most people don't know why the velcro is there to begin with, and many packers don't either. Remove the velcro and they'll stop leaving the slack. You folks are assuming that people understand their equipment!! Now excuse me while I go ADD some velcro to my risers since the dang "maintenance-free" loops don't actually keep the lines STOWED... [/rant] Just my $.02 JW Always remember that some clouds are harder than others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellis 0 #19 April 26, 2011 Quote Quote We have magnets everywhere else now on the rigs so why not on the bridle? You don't have magnets on the bridle? Hmm, weird Apex has it as an option on their rigs too. Quote Magnet Bridle Guide, shoulder/bridle magnet for hand held PC Very nice mod, what kind of fabric did you use? Do you see any wear on the fabric? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #20 April 26, 2011 QuoteNow excuse me while I go ADD some velcro to my risers since the dang "maintenance-free" loops don't actually keep the lines STOWED... Are you talking about the excess steering line, or just keeping the stowed toggles in place? The hook side of velcro will inevitably find its way to chewing up spectra lines. No way would I want that on risers.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #21 April 26, 2011 QuoteWhat ever happened to common sense ? If you don't leave slack for the pin to clear the closing loop, you will get a pilot chute it tow. It may be the most important part of the pack job. We should know how to create slack on any rig we come across, without arrows pointing the way. It ain't so common anymore. Have you not met any of the multitude of jumpers with more than 100 jumps who don't know anything about their gear beyond where the hackey is and what colors it is so they know which one is theirs?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #22 April 26, 2011 Your reserve toggle also has velcroBernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
danielcroft 2 #23 April 26, 2011 This year I've already explained twice why people need to leave slack after discovering super tight bridle on a pin check. Don't get me wrong, I love magnets and had a fun conversation with Kelly about putting magnets on everything on the infinity (much like the Basik Advance Seven does) but without being serious. Personally I make sure there's slack anyway so I don't really need the helper. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrianM 1 #24 April 26, 2011 QuoteYour reserve toggle also has velcro Reserve toggles, brake line keepers, freebag line stow pocket, AAD pocket, RSL... still lots of velcro left!"It's amazing what you can learn while you're not talking." - Skydivesg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrianM 1 #25 April 26, 2011 QuoteHave you not met any of the multitude of jumpers with more than 100 jumps who don't know anything about their gear beyond where the hackey is and what colors it is so they know which one is theirs? Funny you should mention that... I went to a boogie a couple years ago with a few friends. Everyone's gear was piled together in the back of the van. One of the guys was going to borrow another guy's rig. He had borrowed it before, so he was familiar with the rig. He grabs the wrong rig from the pile. Thinks "strange, I don't remember it being this colour". Tries to turn on the AAD, but there isn't one; thinks "strange, I know he has an AAD in his rig". Puts the rig on and boards the plane. Just before jump run, another jumper on the plane points out an incorrectly assembled three ring. A gear check would have caught it. He rides the plane down, and blames the owner for incorrectly assembling the three rings (the main had been reconnected the night before after a reserve repack; it had not been jumped like that). He did eventually admit that the plane ride down was for the better - after he found out what size canopy was in the rig!"It's amazing what you can learn while you're not talking." - Skydivesg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
