FliegendeWolf 0 #26 November 6, 2003 QuoteQuoteAnd finally, I want men everywhere to going back to being Real Men. To open doors for women, Well, I'm sorry that he's a weak minded individual who does what he thinks will make him fit into society. He is definitely not a "man" for that fact alone. IIRC, don't you absolutely hate it when guys do this? I guess you must not be a Real Woman. A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #27 November 6, 2003 I really liked "Home Improvement". Tim was not stupid... a bit lacking in the common sense department, but definitely not stupid. He was a nice guy with good intentions that didn't always work out according to plan. Definitely not too macho to walk over to the fence and have a chat with Wilson when he was confused about life. Jill was Tim's true partner. She was able to just roll her eyes, shake her head, and help clean up the mess, and they'd laugh about it later. She was always supportive of Tim's ideas, even if she knew without a doubt that they meant certain disaster. She was by no means perfect herself, and was subject to stress and bitchiness when life wasn't going her way, and Tim was always able to make her smile, even if it was by doing something goofy. I think it was a good show that reflected some pretty solid family values. Jill didn't even consider divorcing Tim when he dropped a 10 ton beam on top of her car! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #28 November 6, 2003 There is a guy who has a Neo-Nazi website. What he does is this: He goes to a major city and finds an alternative newspaper to interview him. He spouts as much stuff as he can. Offends people. Then, he waits for the "The man is holding me down" people to go to his website and paypal him some money. He said that he got the idea from a guy doing the "education about hunger" thing. Educating, not solving hunger. He collected money and never distributed it. People do this for every cause, name anything. I'll bet he makes a mint off of contributions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #29 November 6, 2003 QuoteIIRC, don't you absolutely hate it when guys do this? Haha! No, I don't absolutely hate it, but I just prefer to open my own doors. I don't like it when men run up in front of me to open my door for me. So, yeah...I guess I would not be considered a real woman to this guy. My guess is that he wants someone just to sit there and look pretty.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FliegendeWolf 0 #30 November 6, 2003 Ah, but here's the real test: Will you get your man a beer from the fridge? AND open it? AND pour it ever so gently into an appropriate glass to produce the perfect head?A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #31 November 6, 2003 Quote. My guess is that he wants someone just to sit there and look pretty. Not all the time. She should get up and make me a sammich every so often. You just need a Real Man in your life Missy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #32 November 6, 2003 QuoteWell, nobody is tying you to the couch No, sigh, not being tied up lately.... But that's a different thread altogether. The point is these are popular shows, and the lead males are significantly abused to make the comedy work. I will turn off the TV, lately I've been sport climbing and not spending any time with TV. It's a shame, it spent so much time raising me. I really should send a card. "If you don't like it, you are free to turn it off! " Careful, you're standing up for free choice. That's pretty right wing of you. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FliegendeWolf 0 #33 November 6, 2003 Really? I thought it was the conservatives who weren't pro choice. Bwahahhahaha A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #34 November 6, 2003 Quoteto produce the perfect head? Quotenot being tied up lately When did this thread turn into an orgy?????Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #35 November 6, 2003 Dayum. you guys are good. If anyone needs a show, it's you two. Let's see... an appropriate title... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FliegendeWolf 0 #36 November 6, 2003 As a greenie, you should know by now that any given thread goes from zero to BOOBIES in under 3.6 seconds.A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #37 November 6, 2003 QuoteAh, but here's the real test: Will you get your man a beer from the fridge? AND open it? AND pour it ever so gently into an appropriate glass to produce the perfect head? Sure... as long as every so often, he doesn't mind getting up and retrieving the pint of dark belgian chocolate godiva ice cream and the appropriate spoon. courtesy and kindness have to go both ways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FliegendeWolf 0 #38 November 6, 2003 QuoteSure... as long as every so often, he doesn't mind getting up and retrieving the pint of dark belgian chocolate godiva ice cream and the appropriate spoon. Is this a euphemism for receiving oral sex? Cause I'd be willing to agree to that. A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #39 November 6, 2003 QuoteQuoteSure... as long as every so often, he doesn't mind getting up and retrieving the pint of dark belgian chocolate godiva ice cream and the appropriate spoon. Is this a euphemism for receiving oral sex? Cause I'd be willing to agree to that. well.... I was actually talking about ice cream. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greybeard 0 #40 November 6, 2003 I'm thinking that people find themselves in family situations which defy prescribed ordainded protocall. My son acts as tho the world is his to command, more power to him, I think. HH, what's your thought? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,078 #41 November 6, 2003 >Because only the strong men propagate. This whole diatribe reminds me of that scene from The Meaning of Life. MRS. BLACKITT: What are we dear? MR. BLACKITT: Protestant, and fiercely proud of it. MRS. BLACKITT: Hmm. Well, why do they have so many children? MR. BLACKITT: Because... every time they have sexual intercourse, they have to have a baby. MRS. BLACKITT: But it's the same with us, Harry. MR. BLACKITT: What do you mean? MRS. BLACKITT: Well, I mean, we've got two children, and we've had sexual intercourse twice. MR. BLACKITT: That's not the point. We could have it any time we wanted. MRS. BLACKITT: Really? MR. BLACKITT: Oh, yes, theoretically. . . .That's what being a Protestant's all about. That's why it's the church for me. That's why it's the church for anyone who respects the individual and the individual's right to decide for him or herself. When Martin Luther nailed his protest up to the church door in fifteen- seventeen, he may not have realised the full significance of what he was doing, but four hundred years later, thanks to him, my dear, I can wear whatever I want on my John Thomas,... and...and, Protestantism doesn't stop at the simple condom! Oh, no! I can wear French Ticklers if I want. MRS. BLACKITT: You what? MR. BLACKITT: French Ticklers. Black Mambos. Crocodile Ribs. Sheaths that are designed not only to protect, but also to enhance the stimulation of sexual congress. MRS. BLACKITT: Have you got one? MR. BLACKITT: Have I got one? Uh, well, no, but I can go down the road any time I want and walk into Harry's and hold my head up high and say in a loud, steady voice, 'Harry, I want you to sell me a condom. In fact, today, I think I'll have a French Tickler, for I am a Protestant.' MRS. BLACKITT: Well, why don't you? MR. BLACKITT: But they -- uh -- well -- they cannot, 'cause their church never made the great leap out of the Middle Ages and the domination of alien episcopal supremacy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Designer 0 #42 November 6, 2003 Suppose this is what happens!Suppose you never give in to your animal urges again to chase the puss of your dreams!Spend the rest of your manly days just thinking of how it used to be and just jack-off! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #43 November 6, 2003 Monte Python - now we're talking. Mmmmm Ice Cream ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #44 November 6, 2003 QuoteAh, but here's the real test: Will you get your man a beer from the fridge? AND open it? AND pour it ever so gently into an appropriate glass to produce the perfect head? how i knew (again) i was in love... 2nd day she was here...emptying the dishwasher (because it needed to be not because i asked her to.) she puts the mugs in the freezer straight away... i almost fell over... of course it had slipped my mind that she is also the best bartender i've ever met... life is good____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #45 November 6, 2003 Interesting. Tom Leykis makes much the same remarks on his show - pussified men, and a generation of men raised almost entirely by women, who "pee sitting down". Edit to add - "Fight Club" really expressed a lot of this stuff in a symbolic way. Edit to add - something that both alarms and infuriates me is Ritalin. This guy makes a lot of inflammatory remarks, it's true, but his comments about Ritalin are dead-on. Liberals out to be up in arms about this, but they're too busy with gay rights and the rest of it to be bothered - we're all going to be sorry when a whole generation of young men who are currently doped up beyond comprehension refuse en masse to be medicated anymore. mh"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiverRick 0 #46 November 6, 2003 QuoteQuoteEverybody Love Raymond - Is_not_funny. Watch it and notice that everyone is just plain MEAN to the guy. Same thing with home Improvement. Well, nobody is tying you to the couch making you watch TV. TV isn't real life; it's TV. If you don't like it, you are free to turn it off! Whether he watches it or not, the premise of the show is the same. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #47 November 6, 2003 Quotewe're all going to be sorry when a whole generation of young men who are currently doped up beyond comprehension refuse en masse to be medicated anymore. The problem is that they are very young. I was put on Ritalin when I was in the first grade. Not in a position to argue. School is boring. The fact that I was reading on a second grade level before entering first grade made it more boring. Kids do not naturally sit still unless they are ill. Some private schools realize this and combine walking or sports with learning. Not just sitting for hours. That should be classified as cruel and unusual punishment for children. Most Ritalin is given to boys. If it was given to girls, we'd be hearing about it from the womens rights groups immediately. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #48 November 6, 2003 QuoteThere is a lot of tv shows that have stupid/ineffective male roles. There is a lot of the "dumb blonde" roles out there too though. Stereotyping blondes as stupid and poking fun at a dolt isn't calling every woman an idiot. There used to be a father figure in television. There used to be men who went to work, provided for their families and patiently but firmly guided their children. A father was not the object of regular ridicule from his wife and children, but rather respect. Tim the Tool Man? Al Bundy? Yeah, today's father character. If you have no respect for your parents, why respect teachers or anyone or anything else? So, we have Ritalin. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SDiver218 0 #49 November 6, 2003 QuoteQuote I'd like to read it, but my attention span is WAY too short for that. Here's the jist of it... "Men used to be real men. Then women came along and stopped letting us conk them over the head and drag them around by their hair. Now men are all pussywhipped. I miss the real men." That help? And yes, Remster, there is a whole lot of shit floating around in there. Different kinds of feces, all mixed together. What a shit-pile. Ciels- Michele How about we read the article and understand the underlying message, before refering to it as a shit pile. Critical reading? Anyone? After reading this article all the way through (long F'ing read by the way), I can see where this guy is coming from. Before you all start flaming me, let me explain. FIRST OFF, THIS GUY IS NOT 100% RIGHT. NOT EVEN CLOSE. BUT...it has an element of truth. Namely, that men over the years have been forced to become more 'civilized'....whether that meant getting manicures, or wearing copious amounts of hair gel, or having the perfect shoes. Look at most movies and TV shows, and you will see regular guys (guys who go out and drink, watch football, would never be caught dead paying more than $8 for a haircut) getting ridiculed. Men like this are seen as uncouth, uncivilized, backwards.... And then this little thing called the metrosexual comes out. Now all of a sudden, you have women watching Queer Eye for the Straight Guy...and trying to force their boyfriends and husbands into wearing f’ing Bruno Magli shoes. Let us be men. That is why there are shows like The Man Show and magazines like Maxim. It’s for men who want to remain men against the growing tide of estrogen. I liken the metrosexual to the female body builder. While there is nothing wrong with a woman who is healthy and physically fit, who works out and builds muscle mass, there is something aesthetically unappealing when taken to the extreme. She looks masculine. To me, all of the lifestyle characteristics of the metrosexual man make him look feminine. Now that I've gotten that out of my system, let me say that I'm all for some dude getting a manicure. Fine…go for it. Pee sitting down if you want to. Cool with me. It’s the friggin' negative image of a man as some derelict idiot with condiment stained ties that bothers me. There was a time when being considered a 'Man' could make one swell with pride. Now, I'm afraid that being considered a 'Man' is becoming more and more synonymous with "dumb/unclean/uncivilized/boorish/abusive." When it comes right down to it…I want to be left alone to be a man. The only time I want to say the word Jasmine (with a straight face) is if I’m apologizing to my girlfriend about something I did with a stripper. So let me make this last point clear. I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE MAJORITY OF THE AFOREMENTIONED ARTICLE, BUT IT HAS BECOME SO POPULAR TO MALE-BASH THAT I HAD TO SAY SOMETHING. Know that I've got that off my chest, feel free commence flaming, especially if you only read the first sentence of my post and assumed I’m some woman hating mysoginist. Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. - Benjamin Franklin Ah that's just drunk talk, sweet beautiful drunk talk. - Barney Gumbal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #50 November 6, 2003 And the "pussification of the western male" will keep any male that agrees with this essay from replying here, for fear of retaliation. Not that I totally agree, but he (or even she) would be severly trounced for expressing his/her opinion that differed from the vast majority here. I applaud the guy for having the balls to actually speak (or write) what was on his mind. Thanks for bringing the essay to the masses here, Bill.It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
