Why does this not happen at Victoria's Secret?

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One of France's best-loved department stores has outraged feminists by offering striptease lessons to female customers this weekend in Paris


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3249315.stm


David

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Damn Feminists!


Damn Damn Damn!

My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

[TribalTalon 0]

NIIIIIICE. nothin wrong with showin a girl how to shake that azz!!

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NIIIIIICE. nothin wrong with showin a girl how to shake that azz!!

True. I'd be there in a second if a local lingerie shop was having a free demo. I think it's a very cool idea. I dont think it's degrading or raunchy either. Jeez. Don't these silly feminists know that a strip tease can be very empowering.

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Don't these silly feminists know that a strip tease can be very empowering.

Umm...I don't see how it's empowering....but, I don't see anything wrong with it either. People will always want to learn how to "spice up their sex life." I guess I see women wanting to learn how to perform a strip tease in the same light as a guy taking "performance boosting" pills. Now, if the woman is taking the class because her partner is making her...well, then that is a different story.

There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning

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Don't these silly feminists know that a strip tease can be very empowering.

Yeah! That's what I meant to say... but alls I could get out was "Damn!" lol

Now I just don't get it. When I think of a stripper, I see a woman whos dancing about and taking off her clothes yes... I also see a room full of crazed, drooling, hollerin', table-poundin' men. I think to myself: "Who is in control here?"

We like to see your bodies, you show 'em to us... we give up waaaaay to much money and integrity looking like savage neanderthals and feminists dare call demeaning to women?!?!

lol. Lessons! Lessons for all da ladies!

My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

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I think to myself: "Who is in control here?"

The men are. They have the money. When you go to a restaurant and the server is nicer than they are in real life, do you think they are in control of the situation because they make you feel better? No, they act a certain way because you have the money and you determine their income.

There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning

[PhillyKev 0]

So you're equating money to power? That's pretty anti-feminist. People can exert power over others in many ways not having to do with money.

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So you're equating money to power? That's pretty anti-feminist.

Hmmm....in this situation, money does equal power. I'm not saying all dancers, but most would not do their job for free. They are controlled by money, which means it has power. In many situations, money equals power. I like to avoid situations like that (okay, so I go to restaurants, blah blah blah.)

And, yes, I would do my job for free (if I didn't have to worry about eating, living...if all of that was taken care of, I would come here and not get paid.)

There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning

[bkdice 0]

I agree that the woman does have the power in most situations working as a stripper. I don't see how it could be the other way around if the woman is willfully working as a stripper. My brother's girlfriend is a stripper and she definitely feels this way. I"m sure there are some more sleazy joints and shady places that might turn those tables however.

Stripping for your SO is empowering. Probably anyone who has done it, can agree. It's the lady's show and SHE is running it (at least if she's any good at it).

[PhillyKev 0]

I wouldn't do my job for free. But my bosses don't exert any power over me, because I don't let them. Yes, I do certain things for them that I wouldn't necessarily choose to do for fun because they give me a paycheck. But not because they have any control over me. It's a business transaction. Same thing goes for strippers in their job. Those who view them as being objectified are the ones that are demeaning them.

[Remster 30]

Come on Val....

Working as a stripper has nothing in commun with stripping for your SO.

Going to see a stripper at a strip club has nothing in commun with watching your SO strip.

Remster

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blah blah blah we're not talking about strippers. we're talking about girlfriends stripping for their boyfriends, assumingly in the sancitity of their homes. i have to tell ya, if my girlfriend starts taking her clothes off and dancing seductively, i'll do damn near anything in order to keep her going. its definitely a way for a woman to gain power, at least for the night.

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Stripping for your SO is empowering. Probably anyone who has done it, can agree. It's the lady's show and SHE is running it (at least if she's any good at it).

Right on girl. Tis even more empowering when he's tied up and can't touch.

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Right on girl. Tis even more empowering when he's tied up and can't touch.

[Vallerina 2]

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Working as a stripper has nothing in commun with stripping for your SO.

Oh! I completely agree! Like I said, stripping for a sig. other is like taking "performance boosting" pills, or doing anything to "spice up one's sex life." More power to anyone for that. Whatever floats your boat.

Stripping for money does not give you power. Most of them are doing something for the money soley. Money has power over them. Men generally have the money. Hence, it's not "empowering" nor do the dancers have "control." The money has control over them.

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But my bosses don't exert any power over me, because I don't let them.

My bosses don't really exert "power." My bosses rock. Of course, if I don't do my job, if I come in late all the time, etc, then they will have to exert power.

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Yes, I do certain things for them that I wouldn't necessarily choose to do for fun because they give me a paycheck.

I used to do what I do for my job in my spare time!

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Those who view them as being objectified are the ones that are demeaning them.

Their job is to look and dance pretty. I'm not sure how they're not being objectified. Same goes for models...although they just sit and look pretty. Whatever floats your boat, but don't pretend that people who do this have any kind of power or control. They don't. They do something specifically for money. Hence, money has control. (Fine, there are a few that would do it for free....most wouldn't.)

There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning

[Designer 0]

Humm,you can't make your partner do something she doesn't want to/feels uncomfortable doing!She has to want to learn new things,challenge herself.Wish I knew more women like that?(lol)

[PhillyKev 0]

You see it as control, I see it as compensation. Money can only control you if you let it. However, we need it in order to get by in life. Choosing one method of getting it over another does not inherently relenquish any more control over yourself.

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Their job is to look and dance pretty. I'm not sure how they're not being objectified.

They are by some people. Other people are able to appreciate how they look and enjoy their performance without thinking of them as an inanimate object, though. I can appreciate the talent and performance of a football player, but that's not objectifying them.

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>>Stripping for your SO is empowering. Probably anyone who has done it, can agree. It's the lady's show and SHE is running it (at least if she's any good at it).<<

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[goose491 0]

Val, we all do things for money... I'm sitting at a desk in an office for money right now. You do whatever it is you do everyday for money... strippers strip for money.... does money equal power... sure, if you want to look at it that way.

Are the men in a stip club in control of the stripper? I would recommend you ask the stripper herself... or perhaps one of the bouncers in there. been in a strip club? have you ever seen the things a stripper will make a guy do?... think he can just boss her around like that? Make her crawl around like a dog with her belt around her neck like a dog collar? Slap her in the a$$ as hard as he possibly can? Pour a bucket of water on her fully dressed? Dump food down her pants for a laugh? (provided she was wearing any)

Please, don't kid yourself... just because the men are the ones paying, doesn't mean they are in control! Would you say that a junkie giving all his money to a heroine pusher is the one in control simply because he's the one with the money? I think not, I present that the pusher is the one in control. See my parallel?

Now, furthermore, we're talking about dancing for a significant other! When my gf dances around for me and takes off her clothes, beleive you me... She's in complete control of me

My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

[Vallerina 2]

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Val, we all do things for money...

I agree. Unfortunately, I need money for things like food, shelter, hobbies etc. Like I said earlier, I would do many of the same things I do at work for free, however. I just happened to get paid for it. So, the money doesn't really have any kind of "control" over me. I like what I do, I used to do it for fun (yes, I would do math for fun), and the money is just an added bonus. I don't know of many people that would take their clothes off for someone gross and nasty for free.

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Have you ever been in a strip club? have you ever seen the things a stripper will make a guy do?...

Yes, I have been to one. I don't see the guys doing much other than sitting there. I have seen pretty girls do things for creepy men's money that they would never do for free. Hence, they do things strictly for the money. Hence, the money has power over them. The man has the money, so he basically has the power.

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Would you say that a junkie giving all his money to a heroine pusher is the one in control simply because he's the one with the money? I think not, I present that the pusher is the one in control. See my parallel?

That was a good example, but sexual stuff isn't usually an addiction in healthy individuals. People can get seriously ill without heroin once addicted. People don't die without sex. Hence, sex isn't a "need."

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Now, furthermore, we're talking about dancing for a significant other!

Yeah, that is completely different!

There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning

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Can I be your SO?

See, this is the problem with having such a hot, sexy girlfriend..

everyone wants a shot at the title..

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People don't die without sex. Hence, sex isn't a "need."

Speak for yourself!

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Can I be your SO?

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See, this is the problem with having such a hot, sexy girlfriend..

everyone wants a shot at the title..

That title is forever YOURS Super J.