WrongWay 0 #1 November 3, 2003 Okay, I've been reading up on a lot of different religions (one of those "find myself" things I guess) and I've noticed there are a lot of weird views on the subject of killing another human being. Example: Some say it's wrong all the time, others say it's okay when in the name of a religion, country, etc., and some say it's okay if the person deserved it (adulterous people, thieves, etc.). My question is, what's your opinion? I think we all agree that killing is immoral, but IYHO, can it be justified???? I'm not psycho, just curious, and find these religious views funny..... Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FliegendeWolf 0 #2 November 3, 2003 If in self-defense, it is regrettable. Otherwise, I do not see it as justifiable.A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #3 November 3, 2003 For the people that don't have spaces between their post and sigline, killing them is justifiable. ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #4 November 3, 2003 killing someone who is posing an immediate and direct threat to another person is justifiable. I feel that is the ONLY circumstance in which it is justifiable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #5 November 3, 2003 So if its an immediate and direct threat to yourself, then you can't kill them. Since that was the ONLY circumstance you stated.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #6 November 3, 2003 I don't know really - I think killing is immoral except for Self Defense, acts of War, or just good old recreation. =========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pleifer 0 #7 November 3, 2003 QuoteIf in self-defense, it is regrettable. Otherwise, I do not see it as justifiable. yep totaly agree with this one _________________________________________ The Angel of Duh has spoke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #8 November 3, 2003 QuoteSo if its an immediate and direct threat to yourself, then you can't kill them. Since that was the ONLY circumstance you stated. No... if A PERSON is posing an immediate and direct threat to ANOTHER PERSON... get it? the other person could be me, you, or whoever. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #9 November 3, 2003 I got it the first time, I was just giving you a hard time.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hawkbit 0 #10 November 4, 2003 I think there are quite a few people that need killing. Drug dealers, rapist, gang members, wife beaters, child abusers, lawyers and politicians in general, and terrorist... just to name a few. Call it harsh, but there are too many people in the world and I could use the space. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "You don't quit playing because you get old, you get old because you quit playing" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FliegendeWolf 0 #11 November 4, 2003 QuoteMany live who deserve to die and many die who deserve to live. Can you give that to them?A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #12 November 4, 2003 It is my belief that killing another person is just only in the case of self defense or the defense of another human, and there has to be clear and present danger at the time of the killing. Now kittens, that's a different matter. BTW, we still think you're psycho. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #13 November 4, 2003 QuoteI think there are quite a few people that need killing. Drug dealers, rapist, gang members, wife beaters, child abusers, lawyers and politicians in general, and terrorist... just to name a few. Are you prepared to do it, prepared to pull the trigger and watch a man die in front of you? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moodyskydiver 0 #14 November 4, 2003 Since I do alot of my studing in law etc. I believe murder is justified if myself or a third party were in imminent danger.I have the right to protect myself,my loved ones,my property and those around me if needed. Since I do live in the great state of Texas and am a firm believer in capital punishment, I believe that state mandated homicide is also justified (yes, the death certificate of capital punishment inmates does state homicide as cause of death). I believe some acts of war are unfortunately necessary and that comes with a high price aswell. "...just an earthbound misfit, I." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #15 November 4, 2003 I think we all agree that killing is immoral, but IYHO, can it be justified???? Hell yes I will give you examples. Child molesters should be shot. Government officials, that make decisions on killing people for there benefit (not naming any names). I think violent rapists. I know some might say that is extreme but the way I look at every thing in life is I imagine it happening to you or someone you really love (mom, Sister, wife, girl friend(who you love) you would want to shoot the scum bag who did that I know I would. There is a lot of times I think that killing is justified god the whole cast of every Real World comes to mind but that’s another post. Obviously self defense.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
McDuck 0 #16 November 4, 2003 Note to self: never, EVER, put myself in a position to upset Amber. Kevin - Sonic Beef #5 - OrFun #28 "I never take myself too seriously, 'cuz everybody know fat birds don't fly." - FLC Online communities: proof that people never mature much past high school. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moodyskydiver 0 #17 November 4, 2003 QuoteNote to self: never, EVER, put myself in a position to upset Amber. Damn right and don't you forget it.As the saying goes "Hell hath no fury..." "...just an earthbound misfit, I." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AnnieB 0 #18 November 4, 2003 Self defense or if someone was harming my child. It's very true.....mother's will really kill for their young! Annie A sweet sound descends Through blue skies and clouds above Whispering my name Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hawkbit 0 #19 November 4, 2003 QuoteMany live who deserve to die and many die who deserve to live. Can you give that to them? ?????~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "You don't quit playing because you get old, you get old because you quit playing" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #20 November 4, 2003 QuoteI think there are quite a few people that need killing. Drug dealers, rapist, gang members, wife beaters, child abusers, lawyers and politicians in general, and terrorist... just to name a few. What about husband beaters? You left out husband beaters. You know, the guys who will not hit a woman, no matter how badly that particular bitch might deserve it? Not that I would have any first hand knowledge of that, ya know. It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hawkbit 0 #21 November 4, 2003 Jimbo, In a word... "Yes" I believe in taking responsibility for your actions and that includes following through on decisions. If someone has to die and I have any part in that decision, I have no problem of pulling the trigger and cleaning up the mess after. I wouldn't expect someone else to do the dirty work. If it was my choice, then it should be my soul that has to deal with the conciquences. When I was an EMT, I literally had people die in my arms and I wasn't the person responsible for the situation, so I don't think I would have a problem watching a person die that I thought deserved to. I'm not psycho either (no one has died yet ), but I don't talk shit that I don't intend to back up either. Most of my post was meant in jest (politicians and lawyers), but if you hurt my friends or family... you won't walk away from the situation ( You know... it's hard to write about saying people deserve to die without coming across as a real psycho , oh well)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "You don't quit playing because you get old, you get old because you quit playing" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoShitThereIWas 0 #22 November 6, 2003 I was watching an episode of The Practice and this topic was on the show: how does anyone feel about a woman who sees the man who brutally raped and killed her 4 year old daughter and then shoots him before they actually arrest him? Yes we all know it is wrong to kill and the woman ended up being acquitted on First Degree Murder but convicted of Second Degree murder. She was sentenced to life and when the jury read the verdict you could see the shock and anguish in her eyes. I believe her attorneys will Appeal it but what does anyone feel about a case like that?Roy Bacon: "Elvises, light your fires." Sting: "Be yourself no matter what they say." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #23 November 6, 2003 someone has to be the tip of the karmic spear....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FliegendeWolf 0 #24 November 6, 2003 Well, rage is certainly a powerful emotion. If there were any other justified reason for murder other than self-defense, the rage of such a person in such a situation would be it. However, it seems to me that the death penalty is sort of an institutionalized rage. I think that the rage a person feels in the immediate aftermath of witnessing the rape and murder of their daughter is normal and justifiable. I do not think that building that rage into a system of rationalized state-sanctioned murder is.A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoShitThereIWas 0 #25 November 6, 2003 Quotesomeone has to be the tip of the karmic spear.... I really like that quote and it is so true. Eventually Karma does catch up to you.Roy Bacon: "Elvises, light your fires." Sting: "Be yourself no matter what they say." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites