WayneRATS 0 #51 August 26, 2003 i'd aim for the sea quite close to our dz really, make sure i'm in a stand possition or other "pointy" possition and hope that the waters deep enough i don't like to think about it ------------------------ Can You Ere Me Now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #52 August 26, 2003 I'd keep trying to get fabric over my head. If that failed, I'd track my ass off to minimize vertical descent and plan to roll when I hit the ground. And grab the grass, of course, so I don't bounce. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #53 August 26, 2003 No option for "I would aim for the peas"? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #54 August 26, 2003 Ah yes, found the link: http://www.greenharbor.com/fffolder/carkeet.html Some highlights: "The perfectly tiered Norfolk Island pine is a natural safety net, so if you're near New Zealand, you're in luck, pilgrim." (I was close with the "New England Fir") "If your search discloses no trees or snow, the parachutist's "five-point landing" is useful to remember even in the absence of a parachute. Meet the ground with your feet together, and fall sideways in such a way that five parts of your body successively absorb the shock, equally and in this order: feet, calf, thigh, buttock, and shoulder. " (Hey, they say to PLF, must be legit) "When parachutists focus on a landing zone, sometimes they become so fascinated with it that they forget to pull the ripcord. Since you probably have no ripcord, "target fixation" poses no danger. Count your blessings." Read and learn."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lewmonst 0 #55 August 27, 2003 i'm aiming for my rigger if I know i'm going to bounce. peace lewhttp://www.exitshot.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #56 August 27, 2003 I was looking at those little stairs on wheels that we push out to the Otter to board. I'm thinking that if I had a nice flat track, I could land on the top and roll for a 1/4 mile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #57 August 27, 2003 I'm aiming for the ground. By the time you realize it's inevitable, it will be too late to decide where to land. The chance to see this kind of ground rush will never happen again, so keep your eyes wide open. Like this ==> Or this ==> - My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winksmith 0 #58 August 27, 2003 i seem to remember terminal velocity at sea level as being nearer to 90mph. i know, even if true, not much solice... i know a guy who should have died, but didn't. he had some stuff out (main and reserve), but not enough to slow him down to a survivable rate. he punched a whole in a hangar roof and some parts of this parachute hung up on the rafters. certainly saved his life. i think he ended up with some bruising. not that i'm in a rush to die, but it would be one more adventure, might as well make the best of it (sure, i say this now).-------------- Mark Smith AFF-I, S&TA, ex-Strong Tandem, Instrument Pilot Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #59 August 27, 2003 I would think if you had some sort of generally unlandable fabric over your head trees would prolly come in handy to crash into, course if you had enough control at that point to voulantarily get over trees, you could prolly perform some sort of landing on flat ground that would hurt like hell but maybe not kill you. as for a total reserve mal, yeah I'd prolly start clawing frantically at my back. what do you think the critical angle is for water to make yourself skip (I've wiped going around 50 on a wave runner before skipping to a stop and was just kinda sore, didn't break anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whatever 0 #60 August 27, 2003 I say the canteen at a certain DZ I used to jump..... If you could take their coffee machine out you'd be doing everyone a favour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winksmith 0 #61 August 27, 2003 > track my ass off to minimize vertical descent not that there's a good plan for this scenario, but keep in mind that tracking increases your vertical descent.-------------- Mark Smith AFF-I, S&TA, ex-Strong Tandem, Instrument Pilot Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winksmith 0 #62 August 27, 2003 Quote the parachutist's "five-point landing" is useful to remember even in the absence of a parachute. Meet the ground with your feet together, and fall sideways in such a way that five parts of your body successively absorb the shock, equally and in this order: feet, calf, thigh, buttock, and shoulder. at 100mph the plan of a PLF may make you feel better, but i don't the physics of it will work. your downwards velocity just can't be translated to horizontal that quickly. your bones just can't handle it (not to mention the soft guey goodness inside your body).-------------- Mark Smith AFF-I, S&TA, ex-Strong Tandem, Instrument Pilot Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WayneRATS 0 #63 August 27, 2003 lol i'd PLF Pray Like Fuck ------------------------ Can You Ere Me Now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #64 August 27, 2003 Fine, I'll land on your Cherokee."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winksmith 0 #65 August 27, 2003 i think that you'll find the physics of landing on a cherokee just as desirable.-------------- Mark Smith AFF-I, S&TA, ex-Strong Tandem, Instrument Pilot Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
epepepep 0 #66 August 27, 2003 Like Titus, "tuck and roll baby." Seriously I'd do one of two things depending on my mood (if I didn't have a rig on. If I had a rig on, I'd pull my handles and fight with the fabric until the ground). First, I'd lay on my back and just stare at the serenity of the sky and wait for impact (that's the dream I have). The second option is what a couple of buddies and I came up with at Rantoul 2002. We'd track as hard as possible for a large body of water and try to skip our bodies like skipping rocks across the water. Hell, if I'm going out of an airliner with no rig, I'm gonna try to confuse the hell out of any investigator. "199 of our passengers are in this 1 mile square area, but this one guy is 5 miles away on the side of a lake. It appears that his body skipped 20 times across the water before coming to rest on the other side." I'd be most pissed that no one caught it on video :) bttwb! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casch 0 #67 August 27, 2003 Quotenot that there's a good plan for this scenario, but keep in mind that tracking increases your vertical descent. I believe you are mistaken. Won't a good track minimize vertical descent while maximizing horizontal travel? You don't generally want to fall faster during a track... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winksmith 0 #68 August 27, 2003 you are trading altitude for horizontal motion. tracking increases your vertical speed.-------------- Mark Smith AFF-I, S&TA, ex-Strong Tandem, Instrument Pilot Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 63 #69 August 27, 2003 Quoteyou are trading altitude for horizontal motion. tracking increases your vertical speed. Unless you are flat tracking... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #70 August 27, 2003 I fear that this thread is actually going to become serious. For further discussion about fallrate in tracking see links: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=388892 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=495186;search_string=tracking%20vertical%20speeds;#495186 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=95517; Back to stupid comments about smacking in."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #71 August 27, 2003 Would it be easier on the body to hit a jello pit, pig shit pit, or would that be like water? Why not go through the roof of a pillow factory (preference feathers vs foam rubber?Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winksmith 0 #72 August 27, 2003 flat tracking means you are losing altitude much less than a full track, but you are still losing altitude. where does the energy come from so that you can move? there's always a trade off. try this... go as slow as you possibly can. have a friend maintain altitude that speed, then move anyway you want. do you maintain altitude with your buddy? go up? go down? even a little counts. but we digress (one could argue that is the purpose of a forum -------------- Mark Smith AFF-I, S&TA, ex-Strong Tandem, Instrument Pilot Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phonics1981 0 #73 August 27, 2003 I reckon i'd try and find the plane and track back into its door when its comin in to land then strap my self in for a soft landing in the Let! Piece of cake. ------------------------------------------------------ "Ive given up on sigs cos I make a mess of them!" ------------------------------------------------------ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #74 August 27, 2003 QuoteI fear that this thread is actually going to become serious. For further discussion about fallrate in tracking see links: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=388892 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=495186;search_string=tracking%20vertical%20speeds;#495186 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=95517; Back to stupid comments about smacking in. Wonderfully handled bud! Wonderful! lol My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oberlin 0 #75 August 27, 2003 Grab the Grass, don't bounce twice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
