Pilots v. Jumpers

[jumpinjackflash 0]

Ahhh shit Tonto, you just went up 10 points on the old respecto meeter!

Damn, more fun than swingin a bag of cats.




Jeez Judd, just read your reply, in honesty, cool, but it would've been more fun if you would've fought back!!!


lol

jjf

i was born in a crossfire......

It's a gas, gas, gas...

[metalslug 36]

Somehow the thoughts of the skydiver/pilot overlap get me thinking of an old Mandy Moore song.
I wonder if she even had skydiving in mind though..

You're kissing cousins
There's no smoke
No flame
If you lose that pilot
I'll come fly your plane
If you want solid ground
Come on and try me
Or I can take you so high
That you're never gonna wanna
Come down

I say
Drop the pilot
Try my balloon
Drop the monkey
Smell my perfume...

[bluewaterstream 0]

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Whoa there Judd - Now you don't think skiers are cool? Only the snowboarders? When everyone knows that snowboarding is so much easier to learn and do and none of them bathe more than weakly/weekly.

{{{ It's hard to say anything here without pushing somebody's buttons. It's best to play with that for your own personal amusement}}}

Whoa there Bill (rehmwa) - you speak against Judd for ragging on skiers for stating that skiers aren't as cool as boarders and then you go ahead and essentially do the same thing against people that board. So, everyone knows that boarding is easier than skiing? Sure... I think you're both wrong. Funny shit, it seems that people that can't ski or board argue the most about which one is cooler. Fact is, there are 'cool' skiers and boarders out there that can shred a mountain. It's pee-on's like you that create all this unnecessary drama about what's cool and what isn't, which usually translates into if you suck at something than it's not cool...

[SkymonkeyONE 4]

Another thread that belonged in talkback.

[TheAnvil 0]

I'm a student pilot and skydiver. Don't know if I would generalize like that. I've seen nutcases in both groups and calm, cool, and collected folks in both groups.

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[Aviatrr 0]

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Im a student pilot and soon to be jumper, and ive noticed a major difference between the 2 groups of people

You're a student pilot....and soon to be jumper....and you think you have any idea what either group is like? You won't have an idea of either for years. I've been a professional pilot since '94, skydiving since '96....and I see things just a little different than you do.

Mike

[KawiZX900 0]

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Now, arn't you the guy who's having problems with mommy? Maybe you should get a place of your own before coming onto a skydiving site and slagging us all off. Just a thought. Use it, don't use it.

that was the best cross reference I've ever seen in my life.

Accelerate hard to get them looking, then slam on the fronts and rollright beside the car, hanging the back wheel at eye level for a few seconds. Guaranteed reaction- Dave Sonsky

[Shark 0]

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pilots are calm cool collected and generally very low key about their flying, where jumpers are loud , rad and bad.

Negative, Ghostrider.... You can't stereotype. And also, you've never flown with me. As a pilot I thought jumpers were weird. Now as a skydiver, my pilot friends think I'm the weird one. If you look around a busy DZ you will find that there are more pilots who jump than you think. I agree with the other posts; get more jumps and get more flight time. Best of luck on both endeavors.

[Vlad 0]

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skydivers are really brave

(Homer Simpson) "that little boy is a hero !"
(Lisa) "Why is that ?"
(H.S.)" well, he fell down the hole."
(L) "how does that make him a hero ???"
(HS)" well, it is MORE THAN YOU DID !!!"

[freeflir29 0]

I'm a jumper and a pilot. I find that jumping is A LOT more fun and I can't justify the money I would have to spend to keep flying. My Dad was the opposite. He quit jumping to fly. Only 65 jumps but 39,000 hours of flight time. Who knows....I'm thinking about starting to fly again. The industry is in the toilet though.

[Aviatrr 0]

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I find that jumping is A LOT more fun and I can't justify the money I would have to spend to keep flying.

Nice thing is....I get paid to do one....and spend that money on the other...

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39,000 hours of flight time

Holy shite! That's a lot of damn flight time. It's taken me 10 years since I started flying to hit 6,000 hours....at this rate, I would be 82 years old before I hit 39,000 hours. I'll definitely never get THAT high on the flight time...maybe 20,000 hours, but I'll be ready for retirement WAAAAY before that!

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I'm thinking about starting to fly again. The industry is in the toilet though.

And it will be for at least several more years.. Unless you are current, and have a good deal of time, there's probably not much of a chance of getting a job - especially with all the out of work pilots right now. A government job is an option, though....they generally don't care how much time you have, as long as you meet the bare minimums they require...such as Customs. Being dual rated sure helps with them, though.

Mike

[Guest]

To the individual who said that skydivers make the best jump pilots - hear,hear,hear. They most certainly do.

Although I think it's great fun for skydivers to make fun of jump pilots and vice-versa (e.g., if there is anything that pilots or skydivers love more than themselves, it's a good joke - heh), it looks to me as though there's a bit of mean-edged, us versus them aspect to this thread that I don't like.

mh

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[freeflir29 0]

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Holy shite! That's a lot of damn flight time. It's taken me 10 years since I started flying to hit 6,000 hours...

Well.....he worked for Delta for 42 years. He was a mechanic for the first couple years and flew for 38 of them IIRC. He retired in 93 and is now worried about losing his pention if Delta files for bankrupcy.

[Aviatrr 0]

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He retired in 93 and is now worried about losing his pention if Delta files for bankrupcy.

I'm not familiar with the bankruptcy laws....but would filing allow them to get out of ALL pension they owe? I was under the impression that they could get out of part of it....for some reason, 40% comes to mind.....but I didn't think they could get out of paying ALL of it...

Mike

[freeflir29 0]

Well.....my parents haven't been able to get a straight story yet. I was talking to my Mom and she said his pension could go from around $100,000 down to $44,000 and could even get worse. She said they could even try to take back the lump sum he got when he retired. Nobody really knows though I guess. She said the Delta CFO asked for the straight facts and the wouldn't tell him either.

[airtwardo 7]

Aviate, Navigate, Communicate.

Truly superior pilots are those who use their superior judgment to avoid those situations where they might have to use their superior skills.

Rule one: No matter what else happens, fly the airplane.

Flying is hours of boredom, punctuated by moments of stark terror.

Fly it until the last piece stops moving.

It's better to be down here wishing you were up there, than up there wishing you were down here.

An airplane will probably fly a little bit overgross but it sure won't fly without fuel.

Believe your instruments.

Think ahead of your airplane.

I'd rather be lucky than good.

The propeller is just a big fan in the front of the plane to keep the pilot cool. Want proof? Make it stop; then watch the pilot break out into a sweat.

If we are what we eat, then some pilots should eat more chicken.

I'd rather be a chicken than a turkey.

Without fuel, pilots become pedestrians.

Regards engine power: Lots is good, more is better, and too much is just enough.

If you're ever faced with a forced landing at night, turn on the landing lights to see the landing area. If you don't like what you see, turn 'em back off.

A checkride ought to be like a skirt, short enough to be interesting but still be long enough to cover everything.

Standard checklist philosophy requires that pilots read to each other the actions they perform every flight, and recite from memory those they need every three years.

Experience is the knowledge that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again.

(The wisdom that enables us to recognize as an undesirable old acquaintance the folly that we have already embraced. — Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary, 1911)

There are some flight instructors where the student is important, and there are some instructors where the instructor is important. Pick carefully.

Speed is life, altitude is life insurance.

No one has ever collided with the sky.

Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine.

It's better to be down here wishing you were up there, than to be up there wishing you were down here.

One peek is worth a thousand instrument cross-checks.

Experience is a hard teacher. First comes the test, then the lesson.

Always remember you fly an airplane with your head, not your hands.

Never let an airplane take you somewhere you brain didn't get to five minutes earlier.

If it's red or dusty don't touch it.

Don't drop the aircraft in order to fly the microphone.

An airplane flies because of a principle discovered by Bernoulli, not Marconi.

Cessna pilots are always found in the wreckage with their hand around the microphone.

If you push the stick forward, the houses get bigger, if you pull the stick back they get smaller.

To go up, pull the stick back. To go down, pull the stick back harder.

Hovering is for pilots who love to fly but have no place to go.

Flying is the second greatest thrill known to man.... Landing is the first!

Every one already knows the definition of a 'good' landing is one from which you can walk away. But very few know the definition of a 'great landing.' It's one after which you can use the airplane another time.

The probability of survival is equal to the angle of arrival.

There are two types of tailwheel (or retractable gear) pilot, those who have ground-looped (landed gear up) and those that will.

If you've got time to spare, go by air.
(More time yet? Go by jet.)

IFR: I Follow Roads.

There are old pilots, and there are bold pilots, but there are no old bold pilots.

You know you've landed with the wheels up when it takes full power to taxi.

If you don't gear up your brain before takeoff, you'll probably gear up your airplane on landing.

Navy carrier pilots regards Air Force pilots:
"Flare to land, squat to pee."

Air Force pilots regards Navy carrier pilots:
"Next time a war is decided by how well you land on a carrier, I'm sure our Navy will clean up. Until then, I'll worry about who spends their training time flying and fighting."

Navy pilots regards Air Force formation flying skills:
"Same way, same day."

The three best things in life are a good landing, a good orgasm, and a good shit. A night carrier landing is one of the few opportunities to experience all three at the same time.

A kill is a kill.

He who sees first, lives longest.

Fighter pilots make movies, attack pilots make history.

In thrust I trust.

Jet noise: The sound of freedom.

I had a fighter pilot’s breakfast - two aspirin, a cup of coffee and a puke.

Those who hoot with the owls by night, should not fly with the eagles by day.

Fly with the eagles, or scratch with the chickens.

It only takes two things to fly, airspeed and money.

Forget all that stuff about thrust and drag, lift and gravity, an airplane flies because of money.

Do you see that propeller? Well, everything behind it revolves around money.

The similarity between air traffic controllers and pilots?
If a pilot screws up, the pilot dies.
If ATC screws up, the pilot dies.

The difference between a duck and a co-pilot?
The duck can fly.

I'm from the FAA, and I'm here to help.

A smooth touchdown in a simulator is as exciting as kissing your sister.

A helicopter is a collection of rotating parts going round and round and reciprocating parts going up and down - all of them trying to become random in motion.

Helicopters can't really fly - they're just so ugly that the earth immediately repels them.

Helicopters don't fly. They beat the air into submission.

Chopper pilots get it up quicker.

Helicopters don’t fly, they just vibrate against the earth and the earth rejectes them into the air.

Helicopters are for people who want to fly but don't want to go anywhere.

A four-time loser: the fellow who went to Texas A&M, joined the Marines, flew helicopters, and was hired by Braniff.

It's better to break ground and head into the wind than to break wind and head into the ground.

The owner's guide that comes with a $500 refrigerator makes more sense than the one that comes with a $50 million airliner.

If it doesn't work, rename it. If that doesn't help, the new name isn't long enough.

Federal Aviation Regulations are worded either by the most stupid lawyers in Washington, or the most brilliant.

Flying is not Nintendo. You don't push a button and start over.

The six P's:
Proper Preparation Prevents Piss Poor Performance.

The future in aviation is the next 30 seconds. Long term planning is an hour and a half.

Life is lead points and habit patterns.

Gravity: killer of young adults.

I'm not speeding officer -- I'm just flying low.

The only thing that scares me about flying is the drive to the airport.

Young man, was that a landing or were we shot down?

Sorry folks for the hard landing. It wasn't the pilot's fault, and it wasn't the plane's fault. It was the asphalt.

Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make all of them yourself.

Three things kill young pilots in Alaska - weather, weather, and weather.

Please don't tell Mum I'm a pilot, she thinks I play piano in a whorehouse.

Pilots believe in clean living. They never drink whiskey from a dirty glass.

Never ask a man if he is a fighter pilot. If he is, he'll let you know. If he isn't, don't embarrass him.

FAA Regulations forbid drinking within 8 feet of the aircraft and smoking within 50 hours of flight. Or is it the other way around?

'Please see me at once' memos from the Chief Pilot are distributed on Fridays after office hours.

Fly low and slow and don't tip on the turns.

An accident investigation hearing is conducted by non-flying experts who need six months to itemize all the mistakes made by a crew in the six minutes it has to do anything.

Things which do you no good in aviation:
Altitude above you.
Runway behind you.
Fuel in the truck.
A navigator.
Half a second ago.
Approach plates in the car.
The airspeed you don't have.

It is far better to arrive late in this world than early in the next.



The more traffic at an airport, the better it is handled.

If man were meant to fly, God would have given him baggy, Nomex skin.

If God meant man to fly, He'd have given us bigger wallets.

If God had meant for men to fly he would have made their bones hollow and not their heads.

What's the difference between God and pilots? God doesn't think he's a pilot.

Will Rogers never met a fighter pilot.

To err is human, to forgive is divine; neither of which is Air Force policy.

Flying is not dangerous; crashing is dangerous.

You can land anywhere once.

Flying is the perfect vocation for a man who wants to feel like a boy, but not for one who still is.

There are four ways to fly: the right way, the wrong way, the company way and the captain's way. Only one counts.

A good simulator check ride is like successful surgery on a cadaver.

Asking what a pilot thinks about the FAA is like asking a fireplug what it thinks about dogs.

Crime wouldn't pay if the FAA took it over and would go bankrupt if an airline management did.

I want to die like my grandfather did, peacefully in his sleep. Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

Trust your captain .... but keep your seatbelt securely fastened.

An airplane may disappoint a good pilot, but it won't surprise him.

Winds aloft reports are of incomparable value - to historians.

Any pilot who relies on a terminal forecast can be sold the Brooklyn (or London) Bridge. If he relies on winds-aloft reports he can be sold Niagara Falls (or The Tower of London).

The difference between flight attendants and jet engines is that the engine usually quits whining when it gets to the gate.

The friendliest stewardesses are those on the trip home.

Out on the line, all the girls are looking for husbands and all the husbands are looking for girls.

The most nerve-wracking of airline duties: the flight engineer's job on a proving run flown by two chief pilots.

Good judgment comes from experience and experience comes from bad judgment.

Being an airline pilot would be great if you didn't have to go on all those trips.

Aviation is not so much a profession as it is a disease.

The nicer an airplane looks, the better it flies.

Why did God invent women when airplanes were so much fun?

Remember when sex was safe and flying was dangerous?

If it fly's, floats, or fucks; it's always cheaper to rent than to buy.

Renting airplanes is like renting sex: It's difficult to arrange on short notice on Saturday, the fun things always cost more, and someone's always looking at their watch.

Jet and piston engines work on the same principle: Suck, squeeze, bang, blow.

Modern air travel would be very enjoyable ... if I could only learn to enjoy boredom, discomfort and fatigue.

You can always depend on twin engine aircraft. When the first engine quits the second will surely fly you to the scene of an accident.

The real value of twin engine aircraft is it will double your chances of engine failure.

CAUTION: Aviation may be hazardous to your wealth.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it; if it ain't fixed, don't fly it.

A mechanics favorite: It's not a leak, its a seep.

And another: If it won't budge force it. If it breaks, it needed replacing anyway.

If it’s ugly, it’s British; if it’s weird, it’s French; and if it’s ugly and weird, it’s Russian.

The worst day of flying still beats the best day of real work.

A male pilot is a confused soul who talks about women when he's flying, and about flying when he's with a woman.

About aerobatics: It's like having sex and being in a car wreck at the same time.

New FAA motto: We're not happy, till you're not happy.

A grease-job landing is 50 percent luck; two in a row are entirely luck; three in a row and someone's lying.

There are three simple rules for making a smooth landing: Unfortunately, no one knows what they are.

It's a good landing if you can still get the doors open.

First, listen to the question the student asked, then listen to the question he didn't ask and then figure out the question he really meant to ask.

Airspeed, altitude, or brains; you always need at least two.

A groundschool instructor understands piloting the way an astronomer understands the stars.

Every groundschool class includes one ass who, at 5 minutes before 5, asks a question requiring a 20-minute explanation.

Gravity, it's not just a good idea, it's the law.

The Law of Gravity is not a general rule.

You can only tie the record for flying low.

Flying at night is the same as flying in the day, except you can't see.

It at first you don't succeed, well, so much for skydiving.

Is that a fuel cup in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

It is easier to cope with a single in-flight problem than a series of minor ones. Real trouble must be swallowed in small doses.

It's no wonder England serves beer warm, Lucas manufactures most of their refrigeration equipment.

It is said that two wrongs do not make a right, but two wrights do make an aeroplane.

Passengers prefer old captains and young flight attendants.

A captain with little confidence in his crew usually has little in himself.

The only soul more pitiful than a captain who cannot make up his mind is the copilot who has to fly with him.

The sharpest captains are the easiest to work with.

The only thing worse than a captain who never flew as copilot is a copilot who once was a captain.

Be nice to your first officer, he may be your captain at your next airline.

A copilot is a knothead until he spots opposite direction traffic at 12 o'clock, after which he's a goof-off for not seeing it sooner.

A captain is two flight engineers sewn together.

Everything in the company manual - policy, warnings, instructions, the works - can be summed up to read, 'Captain it's your baby.'

Nothing is more optimistic than a dispatcher's estimated time of departure.

Clocks lie; an 18-hour layover passes much quicker that an 8-hour day.

Any pilot who does not privately consider himself the best in the game is in the wrong game.

As a pilot only two bad things can happen to you and one of them will be:


a. One day you will walk out to the aircraft knowing that it is your last flight.

b. One day you will walk out to the airplane not knowing that it is your last flight.



It is always better to have C sub "t" greater than C sub "d". Or more plainly, thrust should exceed drag.
Definition of a Goonie Bird pilot: A man with an interest in aviation but a basic fear of flying.
For those who don't care, fly military air.
Without ammunition the USAF would be just another expensive flying club.
Unofficial grading standards for low level navigation:
You can't be lost if you don't care where you are.
Jets airplanes are just an expensive way of changing JP-4 into noise.
It's best to keep the pointed end going forward as much as possible.
Assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups.
If assholes could fly, this place would be an airport.
The average pilot, despite the sometimes swaggering exterior, is very much capable of such feelings as love, affection, intimacy and caring. These feelings just don't involve anyone else.
Gravity is bullshit: The Earth sucks.
It's better to die than to look bad, but it is possible to do both.
Death is a small price to pay for looking shit hot.
Work hard, fly hard, play hard, and stay hard.
If something hasn't broken on your helicopter, it's about to.
Helicopters are really a bunch of parts flying in relatively close formation; all rotating around a different axis. Things work well until one of the parts breaks formation.
Flying is better than walking. Walking is better than running. Running is better than crawling. All of these however, are better than extraction by a Med-Evac helicopter, even if this is technically a form of flying.
If God had intended man to fly he would have given him enough money for a Bonanza.
If God had wanted me to fly, he would have made me flush riveted.
Two of the most dangerous things in the world are a South Georgia pulpwood truck, and a doctor in a split tail bonanza.
The three most dangerous things in aviation are a doctor in a Bonanza, two captains in a DC-9, and a flight attendant with a chipped tooth.
What do you call a pregnant flight attendant? Pilot error.
Son, you let a stew ride your lap, next thing you know she'll want to talk on the radio. Then she'll want to land the plane. Give a woman an inch, she'll want the whole twelve. Thank God.
Nothing flies without fuel,
so let's start with some coffee.
One of the beautiful things about a single piloted aircraft is the quality of the social experience.
What separates flight attendants from the lowest form of life on earth? The cockpit door.
The three most common phrases in airline aviation are "Was that for us?" "What'd he say?" and "Oh Shit!" Since computers are now involved in flying, a new one has been added: "What's it doing now?"
If an earthquake suddenly opened a fissure in a runway that caused an accident, the NTSB would find a way to blame in on pilot error.
Tell someone you work for another airline and he'll tell you how much better yours is.
The most sensitive mechanism in modern aviation is the shower control in a layover hotel.
If flying were the language of man, soaring would be its poetry.
You only need a glass ship to make up for the wooden pilot.
Gliding is to power flying as seduction is to rape.
Any attempt to stretch fuel is guaranteed to increase headwinds.
Any comment about how well things are going is an absolute guarantee of trouble.
A terminal forecast is a horoscope with numbers.
A thunderstorm is never as bad on the inside as it appears on the outside. It's worse.
Below 20, boys are too rash for flying; above 25, they are too prudent.
Son, I was flying airplanes for a living when you were still in liquid form.
I give that landing a 9 . . . on the Richtor scale.
Most airline food tastes like warmed-over chicken because that's what it is.
I hate to wake up and find my co-pilot asleep.
Everything is accomplished through teamwork until something goes wrong, then one pilot gets all the blame.
In a world in which we are all slaves to the laws of gravity, I'm proud to be counted as one of them freedom fighters. Skydive!
If it ain't Boeing -- I ain't going.
Let's make a 360 and get the hell out of here!?!
Don't trust nobody and don't do nothing dumb.
One who flies with fear encourages fate.
It's easy to make a small fortune in aviation. You start with a large fortune.
If it doesn't work, rename it; if that doesn't help, the new name isn't long enough.
Pilots are just plane people with a special air about them.
There I was at forty thousand feet when the autopilot jumped out with the only parachute on board and left me with nothing but a silk worm and a sewing kit.
There I was at 15,000 feet with nothing on the clock but the maker's name - and that was on the back and peeling.
There I was, fog was so thick I couldn't see the instruments. Only way I knew I was Inverted was my flying medals were in my eyes. But I knew I was really in trouble when the tower called me and told me to climb and maintain field elevation.
The RF-4E Phantom - living proof that if you put enough engine on something . . . even a brick could fly.When the last Blackhawk helicopter goes to the boneyard, it will be on a sling under a Huey.
Flying helicopters is like masturbating. It feels good while you’re doing it, but you’re ashamed to tell anyone afterwards.
The three biggest lies in Army aviation:
1. You're the only crewmember available.
2. Don't ask me; I'm not the regular crewchief.
3. Wait right here, Sir. The crew bus is on it's way.
If you don't know who the world's greatest fighter pilot is... It ain't you.
Better to be on the ground wishing to be in the air than in the air wishing to be on the ground.Keep the shiny side up and the greasy side down.Don't forget to keep the blue side up.When you're sitting in the rubber raft looking up where your airplane used to be, it's too late to check the flight planA fool and his money are soon flying more airplane than he can handle.
Some pilots will make an emergency out of a bad magneto check. Others, upon losing a wing, will ask for a lower altitude.What's the difference between a first officer and a duck?
The duck can fly.Definition of a complex airplane: landing a taildragger on pavement with a 20 knot quartering crosswind.When a forecaster talks about yesterday's weather, he's an historian; when he talks about tomorrow's, he's reading tea leaves.The main thing is to take care of the main thing.Flying the airplane is more important than radioing your plight to a person on the ground incapable of understanding it.A thunderstorm is nature's way of saying, "Up yours."Learning a little about flying is like leading a tiger by the tail -- the end does not justify his means.In the aviation business, you can't something for nothing. But if you aren't careful, you'll get nothing for something.The last thing every pilot does before leaving the aircraft after making a gear up landing is to put the gear selection lever in the 'down' position.Remember, you’re always a student in an airplane.Keep looking around; there's always something you've missed.Fuel in the tanks is limited. Gravity is forever.Never trust a fuel gauge.Try to keep the number of your landings equal to the number of your takeoffs.Takeoff's are optional. Landings are mandatory.Work hard, fly hard, play hard, and stay hard.Son, if you're trying to impress me with your flying, relax. Most of the time I can't even impress myself. Flight Instructor Favorites
You don't know what you don't know.
Much of what you think you know is incorrect.
Together, we must find out why you don't know what you don't know.
It is practice of the right kind that makes perfect.
You will never do well if you stop doing better.
Students never fail, only teachers do.
A student's performance is not so much a reflection on the student, as it is on the instructor's ability to teach.
Learning is not a straight line up... let the teacher set the standards of performance.
Much of learning to fly is to unlearn preconceptions and habits.
The way you are first taught and learn a procedure is the way you will react in an emergency. It's important to learn right the first time.
Unlearning is a very necessary and difficult part of learning to fly.
You learn according to what you bring into the situation.
Being prepared for a flight saves you money by saving time.
Given the choice, make the safe decision.
If you must make a mistake, make it a new one.
One problem is a problem, two problems are a hazard; three problems create accidents.
Trusting to luck alone is not conducive to an extended flying career.
We progress through repeated success; we learn through our mistakes.
An instructors knowledge is proportional to the mistakes he's made.
Good habits deteriorate over time.
Accidents happen when you run out of experience.
Self instruction is the garden that raises bad habits.
Our failures teach us. If you want to increase your chances of success double your failure rate.
... almost always. Nothing is always.
Luck will do for skill, but not consistently.
The nice thing about a mistake is the pleasure it gives others.
You're only young once, but you can be immature forever.
Flying, like life, is full of precluded possibilities.
Can't do... won't do... shouldn't do...
What you know is not as important as what you do with it.  Why an Airplane is Better Than a Woman (or a Man).
Airplane skin doesn't wrinkle as badly.
Airplanes don't take forever to warm up.
Airplanes like to do it inverted.
It's easier to get 'trim' in an airplane.
You can keep an airplane from stalling.
Airplanes can be turned on by a flick of a switch.
An airplane won't slap you for being a 'bush pilot.'
You don't always have to be on top to ride an airplane.
An airplane doesn't ask you to put on a raincoat before entry.
An airplane's thrust to weight ratio is higher.
You can easily leave an airplane before sunrise.
Airplane exhaust fumes smell better.
Airplanes lose weight faster.
An airplane does not get mad if you 'touch and go.'
An airplane's performance is seldom hindered by weather.
An airplane will not get mad if you ride someone else's airplane.
An airplane's cockpit is cleaner.
You can calculate the peak performance of an airplane.
An Airplane is easy to roll over.
You can still activate a fifty year old airplane.
Up to five people can ride in the cockpit of an airplane.
Airplane's last longer.
Airplane's don't droop after many years.
You can always tell when an airplane is going to give out.
An airplane moves when you tell it to.
An airplane will kill you quick . . . a woman takes her time.
An airplane does not object to a preflight inspection.
An airplane will let you use your dip stick anytime you want.
Airplanes don't make you 'pull-out' to eject.
You can change the looks of an airplane.
Airplanes come with manuals.
A 747 can keep you up for 14 hours.
Airplanes have strict weight and balance limits.
When you put fuel into an airplane, it does not spit it out.
Airplanes curves never sag.
Airplanes last longer.
Airplanes don't get pregnant.
You can fly a airplane any time of the month.
Airplanes don't have parents.
Airplanes don't whine unless something is really wrong.
You can share your airplanes with your friends.
If your airplane makes too much noise, you can buy a muffler.
If your airplane smokes, you can do something about it.
Airplanes don't care about how many other airplanes you have flown.
When flying, you and your airplane both arrive at the same time.
Airplanes don't care about how many other airplane's you have.
Airplanes don't mind if you look at other airplane's, or if you buy airplane magazines.
If your airplane is too loose, you can tighten it.
You don't have to be jealous of the guy that works on your airplane.
You don't have to deal with priests or blood-tests to register your airplane.
You don't have to convince your airplane that you're a pilot and that you think that all airplanes are equals.
If you say bad things to your airplane, you don't have to say your sorry before you can fly it again.
You can fly an airplane as long as you want and it won't get sore.
Your parents don't remain in touch with your old airplane after you dump it.
Airplanes always feel like going for a ride.
Airplanes don't insult you if you are a bad pilot.
It's always OK to use tie downs on your airplane.
Your airplane never wants a night out alone with the other airplanes.
Airplanes don't care if you are late.
You don't have to take a shower before flying your airplane.  The Greatest Lies in Aviation
I'm from the FAA and I'm here to help you.
Me? I've never busted minimums.
We will be on time, maybe even early.
Pardon me, ma'am, I seem to have lost my jet keys.
I have no interest in flying for the airlines.
I fixed it right the first time, it must have failed for other reasons.
All that turbulence spoiled my landing.
I'm a member of the mile high club.
I only need glasses for reading.
I broke out right at minimums.
The weather is gonna be alright; it's clearing to VFR.
Don't worry about the weight and balance -- it'll fly.
If we get a little lower I think we'll see the lights.
I'm 22, got 6000 hours, a four year degree and 3000 hours in a Lear.
We shipped the part yesterday.
All you have to do is follow the book.
This plane outperforms the book by 20 percent.
We in aviation are overpaid, underworked and well respected.
Oh sure, no problem, I've got over 2000 hours in that aircraft.
I have 5000 hours total time, 3200 are actual instrument.
No need to look that up, I've got it all memorized.
Sure I can fly it -- it has wings, doesn't it?
We'll be home by lunchtime.
Your plane will be ready by 2 o'clock.
I'm always glad to see the FAA.
We fly every day -- we don't need recurrent training.
It just came out of annual -- how could anything be wrong?
I thought YOU took care of that.
I've got the field in sight.
I've got the traffic in sight.
Of course I know where we are.
I'm SURE the gear was down.  Basic Flying
Try to stay in the middle of the air.
Do not go near the edges of it.
The edges of the air can be recognised by the appearance of ground, buildings, sea, trees and interstellar space. It is much more difficult to fly there.  Food for ThoughtIn days gone by, I’ve proved my worth
By zooming low across the earth.
I’ve buzzed the valleys and the mountain ridges,
I’ve dove my craft beneath the bridges.
I’ve looped and spun and rolled my wings,
I’ve sung the songs that pilots sing.
I’ve tried most stunts, it must be said,
Yet never learnt to use my head.
So here’s a toast - To you and me!
But you drink both, I’m dead...you see. Pilot ToastThe clouds may float across the sky,
The bee may kiss the butterfly,
The sparkling wine may kiss the glass, and you my friend . . .
Farewell.Here's to the wine,
Here's to the glass,
Here's to the girl with the pretty . . .
Teeth. Bite into my wing and don't say anything but '2,' 'bingo,' and 'Lead, you're on fire.'— Briefing to a novice USAF wingman: stay close, acknowledge channel changes, tell me when you're out of gas and let me know if there is something wrong with my aircraft. Otherwise, shut up.Son, your wife's legs have more time in the air than you do.— welcome to a new co-pilot from an old captain.Son, I've got more time sitting on the lav in this airliner than you have total time.— welcome to a new co-pilot from an old captain. Also heard as "I've got more time in the flare . . . " and "I've got more time in the bunk . . ."Throttle back son, you're not going to make the boat go any faster.— Air Bosses on aircraft carriers to flight students on initial carrier qualifications who stay at maximum power after they have been jerked to a stop by the arresting gear.You've got to land here son, this is where the food is.— Unknown landing signal officer to carrier pilot after his 6th unsuccessful landing.Tower, , three in the breeze, over the trees, last hop for a full stop.— Phrase U.S. Navy student pilots in Pensacola could say on their last hop - if they said it without messing up they'd get an 'above' rating on radio comms.I ran out of altitude, airspeed and ideas all at the same time.— When asked why he ejected. Attributed to Tony Lavier, Chuck Yeager, and just about every other well-known test pilot. 

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

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Im a student pilot and soon to be jumper, and ive noticed a major difference between the 2 groups of people

What a great thread!

My advice is to not stereotype in these forums. The forum junkies no likey. Me? I think its fun!

So lets get started!
One of the biggest differences between the two is adrenaline. Heheh I feel sorry for the poor bastards that stay in the plane while I'm jumping out. Sure there is adrenaline when flying an airplane. But its the crappy ,"Oh shit! I just hit a dog!", kind of adrenaline. Not that,"Woohoo! I just won a million dollars!", kind of adrenaline.

Here's another. Skydiving is easier then flying. I know. I know. Some of you are going to disagree. However you can't argue the fact that a pilot has to do a whole lot more to land an airplane than a skydiver does to land a canopy. And thats under the best of conditions.

How bout another? Skydiving is cheaper than flying. If you disagree with this one. Just consider the cost difference between a rig and an airplane. This alone makes me assume that there are alot more professional pilots than recreational pilots. And vice versa with skydivers. I'm not sure if this exactly true. In fact could someone check the numbers for me?
To say the least, I'm not mad at you for calling us bad. In fact I'm bold enough to almost agree. Navy Seals are bad. Airborne Rangers are bad. Marine Corp Snipers are bad. Lets just say that I'll agree that most skydivers want to be bad. And I said most because I know some badass motherfucking skydivers.

So there are some of the things that may be a cause of the personality differences between pilots and skydivers. And besides, we all have at least one thing in common. Whether its flying a balloon, airplane,glider, or parachute, we are all pilots. Funny thing is. Comparing pilots and skydivers is like comparing boat drivers to swimmers. If you want to know what its like to fly....then get out of the fucking plane!

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Skydiving is cheaper than flying.

I'll disagreee with you. I bought my ultralight trike for $8500 (not that different from what a good rig costs), and it costs me about $3/hour for fuel. For the price of one jump ticket I can fly for 5 freeking hours !! And yes, it is as exciting, as skydiving. I honestly can not tell which one I like more.

[dgskydive 0]

Well said Mark!

We need pilots, they don't need us! WE are cooler though!

Dom

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Tonto,

You in heap big trouble injun................

I started flying in 1972 jumping in 1979.

I've broken my left elbow, had both knees operated on, broken my nose, broke my left wrist, pulled my groin twice, pulled my hamstring twice, and have scars on both knees from dragging over the ground. But, that was playing softball!!!

Not until this year when I broke my right wrist in Dallas have I been injuned, I mean injured...........

Never injured or had any type of accident in an airplane.

The reason you don't want most pilots to jump is that they will find out just how much fun we're really having!!!

Blues,

J.E.

James 4:8

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>The reason you don't want most pilots to jump is that they will find out just how much fun we're really having!!!

I once heard a jump pilot (that also jumps) say if he could crash every airplane he flew he would. I'm just afraid one day I'm going to be looking across the formation as he swoops in after bailing from the plane since we are having more fun then he was.

Yesterday is history
And tomorrow is a mystery

Parachutemanuals.com

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There may be ways of flying that are cheaper than skydiving, but I don't think thats generally the case. I spend a LOT more money on flying than skydiving and I do it a lot less often. I spend around $27/hour on fuel alone ($2.98/gallon here). Add $35 - $40 for the plane rental. And since I'm in a flying club, I pay monthly fees of something like $250 (which includes 3 hours of airplane rental). The monthly fees apparently started to go out of control just over the last few years. In 1997, insurance for the club's 9 planes was $17,000 a year. Now it's something like $93,000 a year.

I also agree that flying's a whole lot harder than skydiving. I mean, its totally different, and it might be easier to be a great pilot than a great skydiver, but the basics of skydiving are much easier to learn. Learning to skydive is like learning to dance. Learning to fly is...different. There's a similar aspect... learning the feel of the plane and coordinating your body to control the plane, but it also requires studying an encyclopedia of information.

As far as the people go, I don't disagree with the original post as much as most people seem to. Sure, a lot of skydivers become pilots, and some pilots become skydivers (much fewer). Those people are the exception though. Most of the pilots I've met outside of skydiving are pretty different from most of the skydivers I've met that don't fly. Definitely not always true. But most pilots I've met are more like the RW crowd than the freeflyer crowd (take that to mean whatever you want
Dave

[Tonto 1]

Mmm. Tonto observes smoke signal...

Deciedes that softball is not for him!
t

It's the year of the Pig.

[Tonto 1]

Thanks! But I did apologise. Impulse control...

t

It's the year of the Pig.

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I take exception to this statement (even though I am only one mistake away from making it reality). I was a pilot before I was a skydiver and I believe that my aviation experience only helped build my skydiving skills to what they may be today (and I haven't broken any bones yet).

Exception noted. Please bear in mind when I started skydiving we were using Round canopies, usually Mil Surplus, and all the piloting skills in the world wouldn't help you land one better. That's my experience, decades, continents and hemispheres removed from yours.

t

It's the year of the Pig.