Lefty 0 #1 October 7, 2003 Time once again for that liberal rag known as the New York Times to fess up...this time for Arnold bashing. http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2003/10/4/105622.shtml - LeftyProvoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lefty 0 #2 October 7, 2003 And while we're talking about liberals, I'll just post this article which I found very comprehensive. http://www.nationalreview.com/lowry/lowry200310060851.asp - LeftyProvoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #3 October 7, 2003 What would the Dems do without creative editing?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lefty 0 #4 October 7, 2003 Yeah, I think the practice of creative editing is now called "Dowdification". Named after Maureen Dowd of the NY Times. - LeftyProvoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #5 October 7, 2003 QuoteWhat would the Dems do without creative editing? Right, because that second piece was a very well written and edited Republican piece Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #6 October 7, 2003 They would amount to little. Just wait and see how much they will go after the second peace instead of the first one...."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #7 October 7, 2003 QuoteJust wait and see how much they will go after the second peace instead of the first one.... See, I am not sure what to say about the first one. I never understood what the issue was with his statement and I knew that he had not said he admired Hitler for what he did. I think it was wrong of the Times to write that and good of them to print a rectification. To me Arnold is not a Republican/Democrat issue. I have heard him speak a couple of times now and I simply cannot understand how anybody can think this guy is even halfway intelligent enough to run the 5th largest economy of the world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #8 October 7, 2003 Justin, To me what really matters is the easy manner upon which anyone can slant someone who is not liberal, be found guilty, without proof. It is a matter of even after knowing and showing the facts, for instance Saddam was someone who blatantly disregarded UN resolutions, many times in 12 years, yet when Bush told them that enough was enough it is Bush the bad person..... Where is the common sense to act as you preach? Not you in the personal sense, but I hear liberal talk is about the freedom and such, but you don't hear about anyone of them retracting from the use of lies for their personal gain. They should be outraged according to what they have proffessed...."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #9 October 7, 2003 Funny. BillVon hasn't responded to this thread yet...hmmmmmm (you know, BillVon and I go round and round about politics, but we've had some cool jumps together and partied together at the 1st DZ.com Eloy boogie. I look forward to doing the same this year in Eloy too.)--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #10 October 7, 2003 Oh, come on, lefty! So the press went wild on an unfounded accusation. Now, as the headlines nationwide show, they retracted it by publishing the true facts. I always thought it was impossible to unring a bell. With this retraction, which has hit all Americans and California voters, I know now that a bell can be unrung. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #11 October 7, 2003 Quote***I have heard him speak . . . I . . . cannot understand . . . this guy . . . is intelligent . . . ] Sorry to practice on you. Just practicing for a job on the Times. The alternative was to falsely accused you in the reference post of slamming Arnold just because he has an accent and then call you racist as a result (I know you're not). But that would have been good enough for the Times also (NY or LA) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lefty 0 #12 October 7, 2003 It sure is an awfully convenient "unfounded accusation", wouldn't you say? I think people saw it for what it was, though; just some last minute smearing. - LeftyProvoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #13 October 7, 2003 Well, it is going down as "Dirty Trick Thursday." By the way, I heard that on ABC this morning, not Fox. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #14 October 7, 2003 Well, in good Arnold fashion I will say "hasta la vista" to this post..."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 226 #15 October 7, 2003 I'd very interested to find out what the political affiliation of the "Groping" victims is. Any bets on that one? I'll give 20 to 1.... Oh, this was in response to the "last minute smearing" .I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quatorze 1 #16 October 7, 2003 QuoteI'll give 20 to 1.... still a sucker bet, but I chose to let the land of fruits and nuts handle their own affairs as long as they leave us over here on the right cost alone I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiverRick 0 #17 October 7, 2003 The liberals didn't mind piling on when the false accusations were made. Not enough honor to admit when they are wrong though. I'll never vote for a democrat until they work out their credibility issues. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #18 October 7, 2003 QuoteTo me what really matters is the easy manner upon which anyone can slant someone who is not liberal, be found guilty, without proof. It is a matter of even after knowing and showing the facts, for instance Saddam was someone who blatantly disregarded UN resolutions, many times in 12 years, yet when Bush told them that enough was enough it is Bush the bad person..... Yeah the media has a pretty powerfull effect on things. It is one of the reasons I am happy I speak more than one language and am able to get multiple news sources from different countries. The editorial spin works both ways and I presonally do not think it is fair to generally state that only left leaning media is guilty of doing this. As far as Bush and Iraq. I don't think that is a valid argument. There are other countries who have blatently been disregarding UN resolutions for many years and the US is doing nothing about that. That is just not a valid comparison. I think this is a media issue and to me really has nothing to do with left vs right or Republican vs Democrat. To me the right elaning media is just as guilty of editorial spin as the left leaning press. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiverRick 0 #19 October 7, 2003 still a sucker bet, but I chose to let the land of fruits and nuts handle their own affairs as long as they leave us over here on the right cost alone The problem is that they will look to the Federal government to bail them out. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lefty 0 #12 October 7, 2003 It sure is an awfully convenient "unfounded accusation", wouldn't you say? I think people saw it for what it was, though; just some last minute smearing. - LeftyProvoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #13 October 7, 2003 Well, it is going down as "Dirty Trick Thursday." By the way, I heard that on ABC this morning, not Fox. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #14 October 7, 2003 Well, in good Arnold fashion I will say "hasta la vista" to this post..."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #15 October 7, 2003 I'd very interested to find out what the political affiliation of the "Groping" victims is. Any bets on that one? I'll give 20 to 1.... Oh, this was in response to the "last minute smearing" .I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quatorze 1 #16 October 7, 2003 QuoteI'll give 20 to 1.... still a sucker bet, but I chose to let the land of fruits and nuts handle their own affairs as long as they leave us over here on the right cost alone I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiverRick 0 #17 October 7, 2003 The liberals didn't mind piling on when the false accusations were made. Not enough honor to admit when they are wrong though. I'll never vote for a democrat until they work out their credibility issues. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #18 October 7, 2003 QuoteTo me what really matters is the easy manner upon which anyone can slant someone who is not liberal, be found guilty, without proof. It is a matter of even after knowing and showing the facts, for instance Saddam was someone who blatantly disregarded UN resolutions, many times in 12 years, yet when Bush told them that enough was enough it is Bush the bad person..... Yeah the media has a pretty powerfull effect on things. It is one of the reasons I am happy I speak more than one language and am able to get multiple news sources from different countries. The editorial spin works both ways and I presonally do not think it is fair to generally state that only left leaning media is guilty of doing this. As far as Bush and Iraq. I don't think that is a valid argument. There are other countries who have blatently been disregarding UN resolutions for many years and the US is doing nothing about that. That is just not a valid comparison. I think this is a media issue and to me really has nothing to do with left vs right or Republican vs Democrat. To me the right elaning media is just as guilty of editorial spin as the left leaning press. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiverRick 0 #19 October 7, 2003 still a sucker bet, but I chose to let the land of fruits and nuts handle their own affairs as long as they leave us over here on the right cost alone The problem is that they will look to the Federal government to bail them out. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #20 October 7, 2003 QuoteThe liberals didn't mind piling on when the false accusations were made. Not enough honor to admit when they are wrong though. I'll never vote for a democrat until they work out their credibility issues. I'm with you there, brother. Sometimes lefties actually say some good things, but their lack of credibility makes it impossible to vote for them. That, and the fact that I disagree with the majority of the things they say.Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quatorze 1 #21 October 7, 2003 QuoteThe editorial spin works both ways and I presonally do not think it is fair to generally state that only left leaning media is guilty of doing this. I know that all reporters feel that they are unbiased, as they should be, but how do you know that when all the people that you are around are of the same political slant from liberal friends to liberal communities and so on and so forth. That sort of clouds the judgment of where moderate is, to the point that any moderate conservative is seen as a hard liner, yet for any liberal to be seen as such they have to be on the verge of radical violent prostesters. There was an editorial done years ago by one of the host of 60 minutes for the Washington Post that went along those lines and included how jaded/disappointed in the American media for felling that they way they see the world is the way it is because they are the all knowing all powerful media, when in actuality their objectivity has been skewed since freshman year at Brown. Oh and the reporter who wrote the piece (maybe BillV or Quade will remember the author) he was ostracized for daring to question the impartiality of the American press I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #22 October 7, 2003 Justin, I try to understand your point of view and respect it. I also get some referrals from many news agencies for I can read at least in 4 languages. Yet ever place have their points of views, and pretty much set. They are not honest to themselves, and the problem is that at least we have the luxury of thought, and the capability of research, but as an example, in Egpyt, Indonesia, where there is muslim majority, the false news have been presented as facts, add ignorance to the equation and strong defensive actions from US and you have hatred towards US. In fact is so deviant that newspapers there see the acts of 9/11 as a plot by Israel to falsely accuse them. Yet the way I see it is few radicals poisoning the minds of everyone at very young age to serve their bigotry and self serving purposes. It is not only them, but they at my eyes are (these radicals) willing and wanting to destroy any other religion and way of living from the face of this planet at any cost."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #23 October 7, 2003 QuoteYet ever place have their points of views, and pretty much set. They are not honest to themselves, and the problem is that at least we have the luxury of thought, and the capability of research, but as an example, in Egpyt, Indonesia, where there is muslim majority, the false news have been presented as facts, add ignorance to the equation and strong defensive actions from US and you have hatred towards US. In fact is so deviant that newspapers there see the acts of 9/11 as a plot by Israel to falsely accuse them. Yet the way I see it is few radicals poisoning the minds of everyone at very young age to serve their bigotry and self serving purposes. It is not only them, but they at my eyes are (these radicals) willing and wanting to destroy any other religion and way of living from the face of this planet at any cost. I understand your point. But the same happens in the US constantly. Why else would a large majority of Americans think Al Qaeda and Iraq were connected and that Iraq had something to do with 9/11? Do you think they just thought of that themselves or were they influenced by reports they read and heard through American media? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #24 October 7, 2003 Not really, I think that the issue with Iraq was never a connection with Al-qaeda, but the possibility of these two joining forces, particulary with the issue of having the possibility of black market arms sales to terrorist who we know what intentions they have. I percieve it is not only Iraq, but also Iran, Syria, N. Korea, as you are aware Iran do not want to stop producing rich uranium, so it should be preferable to assume that this represents a will towards nuclear weapons, and the very much so possibility of their aid to terrorist organizations of their choice. Although their young population is seeking freedoms. It is all F(*& up..."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #25 October 7, 2003 QuoteJustin, To me what really matters is the easy manner upon which anyone can slant someone who is not liberal, be found guilty, without proof. It is a matter of even after knowing and showing the facts, for instance Saddam was someone who blatantly disregarded UN resolutions, many times in 12 years, yet when Bush told them that enough was enough it is Bush the bad person..... reply] Let's not forget that Israel is in violation of more UN resolutions, and over a longer time period, than Iraq was. Why didn't we invade Israel first? Let's also not forget that the Bush administration criticized the UN inspectors for not finding any evidence in a 3 month time period, but their own people haven't found any evidence in the same time frame. IMO, there's a double standard here.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
