So, tell me again . . . where is the Office of Homeland Security?

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One of the scariest things I've seen on the web in quite awhile.

http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT9733962835.html

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[lawrocket 3]

Wow! The PDA will even provide a picture of the bombardier's reticle, with a blast radius to boot!

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[freeflir29 0]

So....other than the fact that it uses a bunch of whiz bang technology for controls instead of the standard radio signals......what's so scary?

[sarge 0]

Sounds pretty technical to me. But Hey!!

Did you hear some guy just flew a 2lb remote-control airplane from Scottland to Ireland (like a thirty-eight hr flight) with a GPS monitor etc...? Yeah, something like that and when it landed it had like .08oz of gas left in the tank???

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[sarge 0]

Well, (replying to my own post) it just brings to mind.... Why the heck are the Iranians having so much difficulty developing a long-range delivery system for their new technology - or the Koreans for that matter....?

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Sounds pretty technical to me. But Hey!!

Did you hear some guy just flew a 2lb remote-control airplane from Scottland to Ireland (like a thirty-eight hr flight) with a GPS monitor etc...? Yeah, something like that and when it landed it had like .08oz of gas left in the tank???

A friend of mine landed it. If you are really interested I can get the actual amounts. It weighed 5kg, I believe (the maximum that the FAI allows for it to be classified as a model airplane).

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Really,,,its just thought provoking... Seriously, I am interested but more in the philosophical/political context. I couldn't remember 2lbs or 12lbs but heck, how much more math to compute a couple thousand lbs for an *ICBM.

*Discalimer: High tech early warning systems and all considered, I realize they aren't a practical weapon of modern warfare anymore anyway...but...

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So....other than the fact that it uses a bunch of whiz bang technology for controls instead of the standard radio signals......what's so scary?

umm, suicideless bomber, maybe?

namaste, motherfucker.

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So....other than the fact that it uses a bunch of whiz bang technology for controls instead of the standard radio signals......what's so scary?

You have absolutely no imagination.

If this can be made with off the shelf parts, then it's a very short step to build one packed with explosives. Don't think about the actual explosive potential, but rather as a dispersal system for bio or dirty material.

Note; it wouldn't actually have to -do- anything other than leave trace amounts to send the entire country into a panic.

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[freeflir29 0]

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You have absolutely no imagination.

Uuuuhhhhh.....Let's see....I have been doing counter terrorism for how many years now? What you say is true....but just because this particular system happens to use some new and interesting technology doesn't make it any more dangerous than what you could do yesterday. I still ask......what's the difference in this and the standard R/C planes. In the end....not a whole hell of a lot. So you use a PDA to control it instead of a joy stick box. So what?????

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>but just because this particular system happens to use some new and
>interesting technology doesn't make it any more dangerous than what
>you could do yesterday.

What is dangerous is not that it's possible; ten years ago you could do the same thing with slightly larger components. What's dangerous is that it's becoming common knowledge that it can be done. Ten years ago it would have taken some smart people and a lot of time to even verify that it could be done. Nowadays it's downloadable in a white paper that details how to do it.

For a long time we've been protected by the fact that most suicidal bombers aren't that smart. It takes a certain amount of intelligence to hack into a GPS, a piezo gyro system, a RC control system, and a small SBC and get them all to play together. This put it out of the range of your typical maniac. But if you can buy the components off the shelf, and point and click where you want the bomb delivered? It's a whole nother story.

[freeflir29 0]

I still think your imagination is getting out of hand. Yeah it's possible...but.......

[BlueEyedMonster 0]

So this is actually quite useless for terroristic purposes... but build a rocket that is large enough to handle a laptop and a webcam... and stream it over a satellite internet connection.. Live HighRes video... and remote steering... Quite easy to do. You TOO can have stunning video pics like CNN of a cruise missile strike. Much better than that little stinking plane on a low res cell phone connection.

What... what's that I hear... OH NO The black helicopters are coming! Run Run for you lives!

[MC208B 0]

this little plane could maybe deliver a grenade?

Of course, I suppose this technology could be used on a larger aircraft too?

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So you use a PDA to control it instead of a joy stick box. So what

oops, are you sure you are not oversimplifying? an rf stickbox is, practically speaking, line of sight, at best. this handy dandy embedded system is run on the ubiquitous cell technology with full telemetrics. i could fly a pie plane from here , whereever here is within fuel limits, to your likely pie deserving ass without leaving the comfort of my recliner.

it may also be a bit of a red herring, terrorist bait, eh? imaging the scrutiny someone ordering the bomberinabox kit will be subjected to?

hell, i don't know, i didnt even read the whole thread. i just felt like picking on you.

hey, did you know that if you get em up against a cliff, they push back? mmm,mmmm good.

namaste, motherfucker.

[billvon 3,030]

> I still think your imagination is getting out of hand. Yeah it's possible...but.......

But it's hard. That's why making it easier and easier worries me. Criminals don't commit crimes with microwave masers or EMP weapons, despite the 007 movies. They use guns that are easy to get on the black market, or explosives that are easy to make. I worry about making teleoperated vehicles easy to make as well.

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So, would the Secret Service use Stinger missiles when someone PDAs a small explosive charge just above the President's head?

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So, would the Secret Service use Stinger missiles when someone PDAs a small explosive charge just above the President's head?

Stingers are heat seaking missiles... I doubt anything that small would have a large enough heat signature. But I am sure they would be shooting at it with their pistols and rifles as it came it.

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I doubt anything that small would have a large enough heat signature.

It would be confused anyway by all the sources of hot air in that location anyway.

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[kiltboy 0]

True, it's the simple things that work best.

I'm seeing the attention going toward too many gadgets and toys instead of a cold professional saying, "Oh no there are better ways of doing that."
Cheaper, easier and a damn site scarier. Some with historical references.

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So, would the Secret Service use Stinger missiles when someone PDAs a small explosive charge just above the President's head?

Stingers are heat seaking missiles... I doubt anything that small would have a large enough heat signature. But I am sure they would be shooting at it with their pistols and rifles as it came it.

Some years ago I wrote some software for what were basically all styrofoam R/C models of a Mig 25 used by the Army to train infantrymen to shoot at them with rifles, machine guns etc.

They hardly ever hit them, and when they did the hit usually did not incapacitate.

I have been building R/C models for over 40 years (since the days of vacuum tubes even). I have no doubt that there are thousands of modelers around the world who have the capability to make an effective (if small) cruise missile.

www.iit.edu/~kallend/rcmod.html for some pictures of my planes.

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I have been building R/C models for over 40 years (since the days of vacuum tubes even). I have no doubt that there are thousands of modelers around the world who have the capability to make an effective (if small) cruise missile.

Thank you....nothing new here really. I think you guys are also missing the psychological aspects of how Islamic terrorists think. To you and me it makes sense to build a weapon that doesn't require a "suicide/homicide bomber." To them.....that's cowardly. If you want to understand them.....you have to think like them.

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So, then, you think the only terrorists we have to fear are Islamic?

Please remember that before September 11, 2001 the largest terrorist attack on the US was committed by a US citizen and there have been numerous smaller attacks by others as well.

Further, I have a slightly different view of how Al Qaeda plans their attacks. I don't think the key ingredient is the suicide bomber, but rather the turning of globalized technology agaist its creators. As awful as the attacks of September 11 were, they were also brilliant in so many ways for their planning and execution especially if you look at them in that light.

I also disagree with your theory about suicide bombers in general. I believe you are correct in how the program is "sold" to the person that's going to actually deliver the bomb, but you'll notice that UBL & others are in no rush to carry out their own suicide attacks. I believe to them, the suicide bomber is simply a cheap and fairly reliable guidance package.

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So, then, you think the only terrorists we have to fear are Islamic?

Not all...they just happen to be the most prevalent at the moment.

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I believe you are correct in how the program is "sold" to the person that's going to actually deliver the bomb, but you'll notice that UBL & others are in no rush to carry out their own suicide attacks. I believe to them, the suicide bomber is simply a cheap and fairly reliable guidance package.

I think UBL and others see themselves as "leaders" and not foot soldiers anymore. I always questioned their rational too. If they are so comitted....why aren't they doing this stuff themselves? Who knows.....their some pretty evil fuck sticks that need to be dead. You certainly seem to have the right idea so far.

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where is the Office of Homeland Security?



It's located at PO Box 132 Lake Elsinore, CA and I, uhh...err I'm mean it's consuming your tax dollars at an alarming rate.

However this is all to support my habi....err your well being, and saftey so send monitary contribution to the above address.

If you have any suspicious activity to report, call someone else.

If you're a cute skychick please feel free to send a picture.

Of your rig.

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