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QuoteOne "source" making an accusation is weak evidence at best. I can get any answer you want by using a "search engine". How about you try to post without being a complete SMARTASS!!
You mean, "Where's your evidence that there's no evidence?"
That's not how it works. To prove your theory, you need evidence. Plotz's point is that there isn't enough evidence to prove any of these theories. He also admits that there isn't evidence to disprove them either. I think one point he is trying to make is "Don't confuse theory with fact."
That first bit is my reply to your post. What follows are just some random thoughts for anybody interested.
Here's some "evidence" of point #6. Go read Tom Clancy's "Debt of Honor" (or even just the last few chapters). Yes, it's fiction, but it does point out how easy it could be to pull something like this. That could have been taken as a warning. The German who flew the Cessna through the Soviet air defenses and landed it in the Kremlin was another warning, and part of the reason the Secret Service has Stinger missiles.
You want to improve the odds of success? Redundancy. It's a basic concept of any kind of attack. Military leaders are taught you want at least 3:1 in your favour before attacking. 3 out of 4 in this case hit valuable targets.
If they had only taken one plane, say Flight 93, the world would be very different. If that flight had progressed as it did and been the only flight taken, we would not have taken it as seriously. It would have been just another hijacking or plane crash.
If flight 93 was the only flight taken, the people on board might not have found out (via air phone) what was happening, the Air Force might not have had a heads-up, and that flight might have found it's target. (Go read "Debt of Honor" again. Yes, it's fiction, but look at the target.)
Just a few musings. Take it or leave it.
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QuoteIt's going to be a long 8 years.
I don't think so . . . the way I have it figured I'll only be complaining about GWB for about another 14 months or so.
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QuoteYou're going to have to stop assuming my actions
Come now Quark..you're taking the amusement out of this.
QuoteSomething I rarely do for uh, (I guess) not quite obvious reasons.
LOL .....
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As I see it this mostly says that the current administration is blowing hot air in order to: a) make people feel safer, and b) promote itself. Moussaoui should be punished, how the hijackers seized the planes is really irrelevant because there are plenty of security holes for them to utilize next time, the reason why the US is now in Iraq is JFK-ian freedom-bringing and not because Iraq had anything to do with, well, anything, protecting against simple biological attacks is important anyway, noone gives a damn who profited from what, and we already know someone in the rather prolific intelligence agencies fucked up royally.
While it's an interesting read, I don't find it particularly enlightening.
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Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.
While it's an interesting read, I don't find it particularly enlightening.
-- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo
Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.
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QuoteQuoteI know that Mr. Quade cannot stand the fact that those making the decisions are not politically aligned with his views.
I guess you missed the part where I was mostly blaming the media for people not knowing most of the facts.
Hey, I had no intention of bringing up this thread as Bush bashing -- I was actually media bashing in this case. Something I rarely do for uh, (I guess) not quite obvious reasons.
You're going to have to stop assuming my actions.
No assumption meant.
It's hardly a secret or issue in my opinion. Besides, you didn't deny my point anyway.
QuoteI'm not saying it's the media's fault that people don't pay attention to stuff, just look at a "Jay Walking" segment on the Leno show and you'll find out just how uninformed some people can be, but rather that once the media get's hold of a notion, they sometimes get really lazy about follow-up to make sure ideas are current and accurate. Because of this, they continue to spout the same thing over and over, even if it's not true -- simply "common knowledge".
Even this "bashing" is a bit on the soft side. Come on, we don't even need to pick an issue as big as 9/11, just look at the coverage (or lack thereof) of whats happening in California alone. People are going out of their way to stay up to speed on what's going on, but it's still not enough, and the media is too self-absorbed and far too biased (left or right) to earn its keep. Events since 9/11 too are further proof of that. Keeping up with Fox, CNN, BBC, ArabNews isn't enough for me, but there really isn't anywhere else to go.
So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!
How many of can honestly say you did not know this type of crap was happening all along? I'm sure a lot more people have "died mysteriously" before and after 9/11. And we are not to innocent ourselves when it comes to aiding bin Laden
What kind of things have we been doing to prevent this type of thing for this long? Do you really know? There is so much behind the scenes, covert crap, and mind boggling deceptions going on that thinking that this one guy knows it is crazy... he just has a tiny piece of it.
The info that was leaked to him (about the confessions), was probably leaked to him on purpose to pressure the Saudi Government. If it was not intended to be leaked, the guys that leaked it are probably already dead.
What kind of things have we been doing to prevent this type of thing for this long? Do you really know? There is so much behind the scenes, covert crap, and mind boggling deceptions going on that thinking that this one guy knows it is crazy... he just has a tiny piece of it.
The info that was leaked to him (about the confessions), was probably leaked to him on purpose to pressure the Saudi Government. If it was not intended to be leaked, the guys that leaked it are probably already dead.
Quoteyou said you wanted to see sources.
I said nothing about sources. I said I wanted to see his proofs. I was referring to evidence not sources. I have lots of sources in my job. A lot of what they say is incorrect. Well intentioned but incorrect. I have to produce evidence to corroborate what they say. I expect the same from others. Especially someone making as large of accusations as this guy.
Quotenow if you checked out the sources and refuted them, we might not be having this discussion.
I think if you would have read my post and not jumped to faulty conclusions we wouldn't be having this discussion.
"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin
QuoteYou mean, "Where's your evidence that there's no evidence?"
No, I mean where is his evidence to prove this:
QuoteThe Saudi government paid off al-Qaida in exchange for immunity from terror attacks. Saudi princes knew in advance about the Sept. 11 attacks. Most of the Saudi officials who assisted al-Qaida all died mysteriously soon thereafter.
QuoteI think one point he is trying to make is "Don't confuse theory with fact."
Maybe a small point. His biggest point seems to be "I'm against the current US administration".
"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin
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QuoteHis biggest point seems to be "I'm against the current US administration".
And what is wrong with that point?
-- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo
Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.
I guess you missed the part where I was mostly blaming the media for people not knowing most of the facts.
Hey, I had no intention of bringing up this thread as Bush bashing -- I was actually media bashing in this case. Something I rarely do for uh, (I guess) not quite obvious reasons.
You're going to have to stop assuming my actions.
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