BlueEyedMonster 0 #76 September 9, 2003 QuoteQuote"The hormone BGH...//... Its no different than birth control in women. Why don't I see PETA protesting the pill." Read what you just said. I do not think that is a very good example. I did... It is a very good example of the hypocricy of the ANTI-BGH sentiment. Cows are given more of the BGH (a hormone they naturally produce) so they produce more milk (milk production being the desired result) Women on the other hand, take that little pill every day... a dose of a hormone their body's naturally produce. This in turn clears acne, tames PMS, and prevents pregnancy... all three of which are desired results. So If you can do it to people.... whats the problem with doing it to cows? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #77 September 9, 2003 QuoteI did... It is a very good example of the hypocricy of the ANTI-BGH sentiment. Cows are given more of the BGH (a hormone they naturally produce) so they produce more milk (milk production being the desired result) Women on the other hand, take that little pill every day... a dose of a hormone their body's naturally produce. This in turn clears acne, tames PMS, and prevents pregnancy... all three of which are desired results. So If you can do it to people.... whats the problem with doing it to cows? YThat is still not a fair statement to make. Women naturally have the hormone testosterone in their bodies. Now, start feeding them extra amounts of that hormone. The result is not really a very heathly one. The fact that a hormone is present does not by definition mean that consuming more of it is healthy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueEyedMonster 0 #78 September 9, 2003 QuoteThat is still not a fair statement to make. What are reading into this that is not there???? Please tell me how this basic statement is incorrect: "Both women and cows are given a larger dose of a hormone that is naturally occuring in their bodies to achieve a desired result." QuoteWomen naturally have the hormone testosterone in their bodies. Now, start feeding them extra amounts of that hormone. The result is not really a very heathly one. It may not be healthy, but it IS sometimes the results that are sought. Why do you think all those athletes use steroids???? They take a larger dose of a naturally occuring hormone to achieve a desired result. Think image of Cold War Eastern European women. Yup, that was women on Testosterone. QuoteThe fact that a hormone is present does not by definition mean that consuming more of it is healthy. Neither is taking the pill is it? It can really screw up your reproductive system. That can't be healthy can it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #79 September 9, 2003 QuoteNeither is taking the pill is it? It can really screw up your reproductive system. That can't be healthy can it? You're right, it is not healthy and I know many women who do not take the pill for that particular reason.. So, if you are already admitting that it is not healthy for women, then why do you not have a problem when it comes to hormones and cows? Or is your argument that since some women take the pill it is ok to eat meat laced with high hormone doses? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #80 September 9, 2003 I don't eat anything that didn't scream when it was ripped from this world. I'm 100,000% carnivore. If it came from an animal, I'll eat it. If it's green, I'll toss it under the table and hope the dog doesn't puke it back up. Tell me, really (and not being a smartass), how can you become a vegitarian? I mean, I couldn't imagine trading in a big juicy steak for a carrot. Aren't there health issues too? You need stuff from meat, animal rights or not. Oh, and for you vegans out there, they did a test on several different vegetables to see if they were put under distress when ripped from their roots (by attaching all kinds of electrodes and stuff), and the guages went soaring. In other words, veggies "feel" you killing them too. Now what're you gonna eat??? VEGGIE RIGHTS!!!!!!!!! Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #81 September 9, 2003 QuoteIf it came from an animal, I'll eat it. Even the poop? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #82 September 9, 2003 Clay, you piece of shit. Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SublimeBreeze 0 #83 September 9, 2003 There are good points for both sides, There are several reasons I choose to be a vegitarian. The main reason was education. I started reading books one in particular that changed my entire outlook on the meat industry and the morality of being a carnivore. I as a human being cannot support that type of industry. We are on top of the food chain so why dont we treat these animals the dignity and respect they deserve? We simply don't and if anyone believes they live on a big happy farm then they need to do some research and open their eyes to the real situation. If you are going to eat meat just make an effort to get organic range fed meat. Simple as that and you can bite into your steak knowing its misery isn't being passed into you. You are what you eat! Anyways the book that changed my entire world around was "Diet for a new america" and it is not a "dieting book" but more informational book about the social and moral delemas meat eaters face. Give it a try read it, or don't I could care less. anyways Blue Skies Sean Sean Sean In Thailand Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,030 #84 September 9, 2003 >Therefore, I still disagree. Meat IS of better quality today than it ever was. It has less bacteria in it, but way more hormones, antibiotics, pesticides, herbicides and industrial wastes in it than it used to. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. The big danger of antibiotics is that if you do someday get a bug from a piece of meat, there is a pretty good chance that the bacteria in it have survived broad-spectrum antibiotics of several types. So if you get sick enough that you need antibiotics, you'll have to develop a new type of antibiotic first (or hope there's one that they're not resistant to yet.) ORLANDO, FL (Reuters Health) May 24 - A preliminary survey of beef and poultry sold in US supermarkets, conducted by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA), has found relatively high levels of antibiotic-resistant bacteria, according to a report presented here on Tuesday at the 101st annual meeting of the American Society for Microbiology. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #85 September 9, 2003 QuoteA preliminary survey of beef and poultry sold in US supermarkets, conducted by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA), has found relatively high levels of antibiotic-resistant bacteria, Good reason to cook things well .. get the temperature up there and then the bacteria... being animals.. and high in protien.. are just part of the protein in the meal Amazon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #86 September 10, 2003 QuoteYou can't get vitamin D from plants, but we can synthesize it from sunlight (which is pretty damn cool if you ask me.) You can get Vitamin D from some plants. Getting enough vitamin D, for some people, from sunlight would expose them to a high risk of cancer. http://www.mercola.com/2002/feb/6/vegetarianism_myths_03.htm QuoteYou can get all the amino acids (and vitamins) you need from plants and plant-based foods with the exception of B-12. You can get all of the essential amino acids from a vegetarian diet but it takes a lot of planning. No single plant provides all eight essential amino acids. Most meats do. Iron deficiencies are a common problem with vegetarians. I used to see it a lot when being tested to give blood. Vegetarians will tell you there is no difference in iron deficiencies between vegetarians and meat eaters. I find that hard to believe when you read this from a vegetarian site: QuoteDietary iron comes in 2 different forms - heme iron and non-heme iron. Heme iron exists only in animal tissues, whilst plant foods contain only non-heme iron. Non-heme iron is less easily absorbed by the body than heme iron. The amount of iron absorbed ranges from about 1-10 percent from plant foods and 10-20 percent from animal food. A vegetarian diet can be generally healthy. In order to ensure you get the proper amounts of vitamins and minerals it requires supplementation and/or a near obsessive/compulsive attention to everything that is eaten. I found this article interesting: http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/99legacy/6-14-1999a.html It comes from Berkeley so it has to be unbiased. Right? One quote is: Quote"I disagree with those who say meat may have been only a marginal food for early humans," said Milton. "I have come to believe that the incorporation of animal matter into the diet played an absolutely essential role in human evolution." Seems like the debate rages on. "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,030 #87 September 10, 2003 >Getting enough vitamin D, for some people, from sunlight would >expose them to a high risk of cancer. And there is some data that shows total avoidance of sunlight can cause cancer as well. From Newswire: -------------- Widespread supplementation with vitamin D may save thousands of lives per year in the Unites States, according to a study published this month in the journal Cancer. The author of this study correlated the mortality rate from different types of cancers with the amount of solar ultraviolet (UV) light exposure in over 400 areas of the country. This analysis revealed a significant association between lack of UV light and increased risk of several different types of cancer, including breast, prostate, colon, ovary, bladder, esophageal, kidney, lung, pancreatic, stomach, uterine, and non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma. -------------- Maybe the old adage "everything in moderation" applies here. >"I disagree with those who say meat may have been only a marginal > food for early humans," said Milton. "I have come to believe that > the incorporation of animal matter into the diet played an absolutely > essential role in human evolution." As we have evolved to be able to eat meat, I'd say he's right by definition. As with many other evolved features (like our feet and our appendix) the adaptation seems to be incomplete - which is consistent with the rise of civilization stopping evolution. Once we started protecting the weak and sick evolution slowed way down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daizey 0 #88 September 10, 2003 haha i can't really answer the poll cause i go back and forth, I LOOOVE meant, but i also LOOOOVE salad. lol, i would want both of them-not have to choose one or the other! lol, i've gone back and forth, sometimes i go for more of a vegetarian diet, other times, i go through a meat loving stage.... *daizey* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueEyedMonster 0 #89 September 10, 2003 Just saw an EXCELLENT bumper sticker quote on dribbleglass.com Save a cow; eat a vegetarian. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 0 #90 September 10, 2003 STEAK! I love steak! "Knock the horns off, wipe its ass and bring it on overPORK! I love pork! Herb crusted garlic studded slow roasted pork roast, hmmm yummy! CHICKEN!... You get the picture... I like my meats. ChileRelleno-Rodriguez Bro#414 Hellfish#511,MuffBro#3532,AnvilBro#9, D24868 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
