Gawain 0 #1 September 6, 2003 For as of about 6:30PM PST, Gov. Joe Davis signed SB60 into law in East LA. SB60 allows illegal immigrants to obtain a legal drivers license in the California. The idea being that licensed drivers will also then register and insure their vehicles too. There is no fingerprint required, no biometrics at all in fact. All that's needed is an ITIN (Taxpayer type number, not valid for ID), or other type of ID (say a passport), a drivers test...et voila! I guess they forgot that two of the 9/11 terrorists had California licenses, obtained under the "more" difficult regulations. Among some agencies that were against the bill were: The US Department of the Treasury and the California State Sheriff's Assoc. and the CA DMV. There's only one bright side to this that I can see, Davis has pretty much assured that he will be recalled.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #2 September 6, 2003 Boy, that makes a whole hell of a lot of sense to me. Must be a West coast thing. "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #3 September 6, 2003 I got rearended by an illegal a few weeks ago. He left the car and walked down the road never to be seen again. At least INS will know where to find him now. NOT! -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #4 September 6, 2003 QuoteAt least INS will know where to find him now. INS no longer exists. It is now BICE, BICE baby! I think they are talking about changing that name too. "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #5 September 6, 2003 I wonder if those licenses will allow them to drive 'car bombs'?, hey...at least they'll be 'insured' I think California should change its name to CACAlifornia because apparently that's what they have in their heads. __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #6 September 6, 2003 QuoteINS no longer exists. Now it's part of 'Homeland Security', yes...I feel much safer now. __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #7 September 6, 2003 QuoteI think they are talking about changing that name too. I can't keep up with this crap anymore. At least they don't give me new creds every time they change the name.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #8 September 6, 2003 Incidentally, here's their website... http://www.immigration.gov/graphics/ It's actually a bit disappointing, there's NOTHING in the FAQ about how to become an illegal imigrant. Maybe I'll just have to apply using their worldwide available online aplication formhttp://staffing.opm.gov/IEA/. Since I'm not a US national, don't have a work permit, visa, etc... I think I'm very well qualified since I'd have to be an illegal immigrant to work there for them. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #9 September 6, 2003 Actually, I heard only a small blurb on the radio that if this legislation passed, several other states would no longer recognize California IDs as an acceptable form of ID (for example, I chose to move, I wouldn't be able to use my ID as proof of citizenship or residence). I also heard on KFI yesterday that one of the US Congressmen from Colorado was drawing up a bill to hold federal transportation funding. That should put a little pressure on the state deficit... So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #10 September 6, 2003 Xenophopia... What's that like? tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #11 September 6, 2003 QuoteThere's only one bright side to this that I can see, Davis has pretty much assured that he will be recalled. Nope, you should follow things a bit more closely. Arnold is anti-187 (an issue from several years ago, but still a hotbutton issue) and has a lot of hispanics pissed off at him. Davis sees the opportunity to grab some latino votes and does so by signing this into law. As to whether it actually -works- or not is to be seen, but the reason he did it was specifically in order to help him get re-elected.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #12 September 6, 2003 The Latino vote is less than 15% of the constituency and less than 8% of the electorate. This, IMO, is more a "screw you for recalling me" move, let alone public safety. Which, that phrase was edited out of the final bill, so we know it has nothing to do with that either. This law will be repealed or ruled unconstitutional. The final revisions made the day before it passed are distressing and if people don't wake up and smell the coffee, the next bill by Castillo will be a state fund to provide insurance to the illegal residents who can't afford it. If I could commission a field poll of legal immigrants, I bet the results would come out against SB60. It is a reward for those who will not follow the rules. Smart immigrants (latinos included) understand that prop 187 was not anti-immigrant, it was anti-illegal-immigrant.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #13 September 6, 2003 Quotebut the reason he did it was specifically in order to help him get re-elected. C'mon.....everyone knows Gary Coleman is a shoe in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #14 September 6, 2003 QuoteThe Latino vote is less than 15% of the constituency and less than 8% of the electorate. Geeze, I'm thinking more like 32% of the total population of California, but maybe you got your numbers from a different place than I did. Quote . . . the next bill by Castillo will be a state fund to provide insurance to the illegal residents who can't afford it. You probably shouldn't get so excited by the things that John and Ken on KFI say. They make their living by getting people upset. The truth is, they bend the facts intentionally to piss people off and boost their ratings. Just like Rush.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
carth 0 #15 September 6, 2003 their 32% of the total pop but less than 15% registered and of that 9% seems about right who show up at polls. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #16 September 6, 2003 QuoteGeeze, I'm thinking more like 32% of the total population of California, but maybe you got your numbers from a different place than I did. 32% of the population does not equal 32% of the vote. Historically minorities have an extremely low voter turnout. I'm sure California is the one exception though. "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #17 September 6, 2003 Yes, but he had said, QuoteThe Latino vote is less than 15% of the constituency and less than 8% of the electorate. Which is clearly understating both the constituency and actual voter turnout. Facts, people. Facts. Please back up your statements with them.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #18 September 6, 2003 QuoteFacts, people. Facts. Please back up your statements with them. Do you have the data to dispute that which they claim to be fact? If you do, then let's see it. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #19 September 6, 2003 QuoteFacts, people. Facts. Please back up your statements with them Do you consider this fact? http://field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/COI-00-May-Latinos.pdf It says in 2000 Latinos were 16% of the vote. Very close to 15%. "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #20 September 6, 2003 I believe I already posted a link to the 2000 California census. Disproving the previously under reported constituency figure given.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #21 September 6, 2003 QuoteI believe I already posted a link to the 2000 California census. Disproving the previously under reported constituency figure given. Last time I looked, the census doesn't report voters. It only reports population. "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #22 September 7, 2003 I'll certainly accept it as what they came up with as a result of exit polling data they collected, but that also has a significant margin of error depending on how they did it. I guess it depends on what you want to consider to be the constituency; population represented or voter turnout. I had always thought that it was population represented. Dictionary.com gives both as valid definitions.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #23 September 7, 2003 Quade, maybe you can explain the data. Are there 34,000,000 voters in Califirnia? Did 34,000,000 turn out at any election? I'm not exactly sure what this data represents. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #24 September 7, 2003 I thought it was pretty clear, but according to the report there are about 35,000,000 people in the State of California, of which about 32% are hispanic. It doesn't matter how many voted in the past, what matters is how many will vote in the next election. Piss people off, like Arnold or pander to them, like Davis -- either way people have more of a reason to vote than groups that will be indifferent. My prediction is that the Latino vote will play a crucial part in this next election. I would not under-estimate its power and it appears that neither do the two candidates in question -- even if they are both going about things in different ways.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmsmith 1 #25 September 7, 2003 QuoteI also heard on KFI yesterday that one of the US Congressmen from Colorado was drawing up a bill to hold federal transportation funding. That should put a little pressure on the state deficit... You're absolutely right. Recall when several states still had legal drinking under the age of 21, and the Reagan Administration, who liked to boast about "States Right to Self Governance", decided to withhold their federal highway funds until they raised their drinking age in line with the rest of the country. Maybe Dubya will put the squeeze on Gray Davis! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
