juanesky 0 #26 September 5, 2003 And I would say to you that if you drink like a monkey, then that is by far more dangerous, drinking and driving kills much more a year."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
carth 0 #27 September 5, 2003 I used to tell people that smoking was bad for them but i think everyone who smokes KNOWS its bad for them now i just walk away when they light up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skytrixaz 0 #28 September 5, 2003 QuoteI do not understand why smokers, smoke in the car and then throw the butt out the window. I hear you...as a non-smoker that type of irresponsible behavior really annoys me. Worst yet...you're riding on the dz tram to catch the next otter load (after running off the landing area trying to catch the tram cause we're doing back-to-back team training jumps...trying to catch your breath in the process)...a jumper is smoking en route to the next load...some of us trying to avoid inhaling the smoke, politely telling him to please not smoke on the tram, and then after he takes another five drags, he flicks the cigarette out into the dry desert grass. Not cool all the way around. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazyfrog 0 #29 September 5, 2003 at our DZ, normal thing, you don't smoke close to the packing area... we have a huge ashtray, but people hardly ever use it... for each cigarette I smoke, I try to throw 5-10 butts... Helps keep the place somewhat clean...---------- Fumer tue, péter pue ------------- ourson #10, Mosquito Uno, CBT 579 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #30 September 5, 2003 QuoteAnd lots and lots of smokers keep trying to quit, even though they've failed miserably at it before. I would just like to thanks smokers for all the tax they pay. OTOH anyone out there try the new laser treatment to stop smoking? I'm glad I never started and wish all you that want to the power to stop. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #31 September 5, 2003 QuoteQuoteAnd lots and lots of smokers keep trying to quit, even though they've failed miserably at it before. I would just like to thanks smokers for all the tax they pay. OTOH anyone out there try the new laser treatment to stop smoking? I'm glad I never started and wish all you that want to the power to stop. Havent heard of it...gotta clicky?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #32 September 5, 2003 QuoteAnd I would say to you that if you drink like a monkey, then that is by far more dangerous, drinking and driving kills much more a year. Personally, I don't care that drinking kills more people than smoking; I care that smoking is disgusting and makes me physically ill and I constantly have to police up other people's butts out of my yard and out in front of my school, even though there are butt cans EVERYWHERE. Totally lame. I LOATH having to pick up cigarette residue. I also can't stand smoke-filled bars. As to the flipping of butts out car windows: I can't think of a single smoker I know who does NOT do that; don't want to dirty up their car, you see? Unbelievable. Like Kramer said, until you have had the pleasure of doing police call down the side of a road anywhere near a stoplight on a military post, then you (as a smoker) don't understand how nasty it can be. Hey, if you can honestly say you don't EVER flip your butts on the ground or out the window, then I applaud you. I don't know a single smoker who can truthfully say that though. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #33 September 5, 2003 QuoteHavent heard of it...gotta clicky? http://www.herbtime.com/InformationPages/about_laser_therapy.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stik 0 #34 September 5, 2003 I smoke non-filters. They burn away, no fuss no muss. Unfortunately they cost more. (Camels) Need to quit. Pete Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casch 0 #35 September 5, 2003 So it's basically high tech accupuncture Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #36 September 5, 2003 QuotePersonally, I don't care that drinking kills more people than smoking; I care that smoking is disgusting and makes me physically ill and I constantly have to police up other people's butts out of my yard and out in front of my school, even though there are butt cans EVERYWHERE. Totally lame. I LOATH having to pick up cigarette residue. I also can't stand smoke-filled bars. As to the flipping of butts out car windows: I can't think of a single smoker I know who does NOT do that; don't want to dirty up their car, you see? Unbelievable. Like Kramer said, until you have had the pleasure of doing police call down the side of a road anywhere near a stoplight on a military post, then you (as a smoker) don't understand how nasty it can be. Hey, if you can honestly say you don't EVER flip your butts on the ground or out the window, then I applaud you. I don't know a single smoker who can truthfully say that though. Chuck That's my experience - Yet you'd get in trouble if you threw it right back into the car. Those that are trying to quit, best of luck. Also, if the smokers breath makes you want to puke on 'em - go ahead. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #37 September 5, 2003 QuoteLike Kramer said, until you have had the pleasure of doing police call down the side of a road anywhere near a stoplight on a military post, then you (as a smoker) don't understand how nasty it can be. I totally agree, smokers make me freaking sick... Especially when you have to police up after their nasty, lung poluting, tar filmed buts......Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #38 September 5, 2003 Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- people who smoke are dumb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- People who don't use capital letters are dumb. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- are a big-fat stupid head and should take up bowling! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- People who make personal attacks in the forums are dumb. People who make fun of those not using capital letters and make personnel attacks are dumber.... lol haha just kidding, dont get all GREENY on me love yaLeroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #39 September 5, 2003 I missed that, was it "tar filled buts" or "tar filled butts" because it means something completely different you know ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #40 September 5, 2003 I smoke occasionally, but not at the dropzone, in anyone's house (including my own), or at restaurants. I don't smoke when I'm driving. On a long road trip I'll stop maybe every other rest stop I get to and have a soda and a cigarette, that and walking about every so often helps keep me awake. this photo was taken outside my neighbor's apartment a year or two ago. /edit: I also don't take smoke breaks at work... Although it matters less with a desk job where you have x amount of work to do regardless of how long you're there, I remember working retail with people that would go have a smoke break what seemed like every 15 minutes leaving me with all the customers. That really annoyed me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smiles 0 #41 September 5, 2003 Does it really matter if your newer Honda doesn't come equipped with an ashtray? It's a disgrace that most smokers find it necessary to use Mother Earth as his or her personal ashtray. As a smoker I carry a little portable ashtray with me. I consider myself a responsible smoker -and do not leave trash for someone else to pick up, I consider non-smokers at all times. At a d.z. I empty my portable ashtray in the firepit. I live in B.C. and right now forest fires are raging like never before- I think it's about time we stop jumping on the smokers for flicking their butts and start to think about the people watering their yards in spite of a watering ban. I see people skulking around like common criminals under the cover of darkness doing their watering. Yes, it's important for smokers to take care of their butts. But, it's just as important we have water to put those butt fires out. A forest fire at its ferocious worst can outrun any man, (they can travel up to 50 kilometres an hour and reach temperatures as high as 800 degrees C) and feed voraciously on fuel, oxygen and heat. A forest fire needs three things to get going: heat, wind and an unstable atmosphere. In short, exactly the conditions currently present in much of southern B.C. Canada. Getting a wildfire started depends either on nature delivering a bolt of lightning or a human being being careless with a match, a cigarette butt or a campfire As forests age, they become weak and diseased, prone to infestations of insect parasites and choked with underbrush which hinders the movement of animals. Thick layers of organic material on the ground prevents seeds from germinating. Fire is a natural part of the ecosystem and forests need fire to perpetuate themselves The battle against forest fires pits human interests against the welfare of the forest, but fire is also nature's friend. Without fire, the cones of lodgepole pine won't open to drop their seeds to the ground. And unless the thick layers of humous covering the ground are burned off, the seeds can't germinate. Fire is nature's way of giving those areas a fresh start. B.C. wildfires cost taxpayers $7.4 million a day. By Thursday, fighting wildfires had cost the B.C. government more than amount allotted for all of 2003, a total of $144 million and climbing. Insurance companies are denying coverage to new homeowners and Interior residents who want to rebuild homes razed by raging fires, Canadian insurance industry is facing its biggest ever payout for fire claims, the largest fire loss in Canadian history. SMiles Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #42 September 5, 2003 QuoteHey, some smokers are even glad that some states have laws like California's - where smoking isn't allowed in virtually ANY public building. While I agree that non-smokers should have access to clean air while dining, dancing, watching sports at a bar, etc, I think a free market should provide it, not the government. One of life's pleasures is smoking while drinking, and it should be a business owner's option to have a "cigar and single-malt scotch night" or some such thing, but in California it would be illegal. Why would a non-smoker who is offended by cigar smoke want to go to such an event? And if he wouldn't, why shouldn't those who ARE so inclined be allowed to do so? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #43 September 5, 2003 QuoteQuoteHey, some smokers are even glad that some states have laws like California's - where smoking isn't allowed in virtually ANY public building. While I agree that non-smokers should have access to clean air while dining, dancing, watching sports at a bar, etc, I think a free market should provide it, not the government. One of life's pleasures is smoking while drinking, and it should be a business owner's option to have a "cigar and single-malt scotch night" or some such thing, but in California it would be illegal. Why would a non-smoker who is offended by cigar smoke want to go to such an event? And if he wouldn't, why shouldn't those who ARE so inclined be allowed to do so? Blues, Dave Well, there are parents out there that want their girls to be in the boy scouts too, so.....I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivexxl 0 #44 September 5, 2003 "mind if I smoke? NO, mind if I fart?" Steve Martin Blog Clicky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDolphin 0 #45 September 5, 2003 I've noticed a lot in the past few years that smokers, in general, have become more considerate of non-smokers. Not all of them but most. I remember one time when a smoker friend of mine got really pissed off at me and called me all sorts of names because I told she could not smoke in my car. She could either live with not smoking for the 3 hours it was going to take to get where we were going or she could get off her lazy ass and drive her own car where she had every right to smoke. We talked about it serveral times after that and she still maintained that I was being a selfish bitch. Maybe I was but that's my right. I no longer talk to this person for reason's other than the smoking issue and thank God I haven't run into anyone else like that. I remember reading a joke a long time ago. In the 80's that went something like this. Please don't get offended but it is funny. You like to smoke. The residue of your pleasure is smoke that smells bad and gets on my closes and in my hair. I like to drink beer. The residue of my pleasure is piss. How would you like it if I stood up and pissed on your head. One more thing. I know how hard it is to stop smoking. My parents were both smokers and I remember when they were quitting. It was really hard on them. Luckily, they did it together and were able to suceed. I've seen many more try and try and try and not be able to kick the habit. Rhonda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #46 September 5, 2003 I have said enough. I just plane hate cigarettes! ------------------------------------------ YEAH AND I HATE CIGARETTES TOO!!! Oh but wait I smoke, well now that I haven't been able to recently keep a serious workout going. Ok jokes aside here are the facts. Smokers do throw their cigarette butts out car windows and will typically throw their cigarette butts all over the place but this is just human nature. Its hard to find somebody who cares enough to take the time always to do the right thing. Its the same reason in a mens' bathroom the urinals have piss on the floor. Guys will miss from time to time and most of them really are not going to think about it after they are out of the bathroom. The fact that its dirtier than it was before they came in is not something that they will be concerned about. Comparing cigarette related deaths and alcohol is bolony. 450,000 people a year in the U.S. die from cancer (mostly lung cancer due to cigarettes). Alcohol related deaths are about 150,000 and even if you threw all the auto-related deaths it would still be under 200,000. If you added the a great portion of people dying of heart disease to the cigarette related death then that number becomes outrageously high. I believe heart disease is about 750,000 yearly. Bottomline is cigarettes kill so what is my answer? {Does anybody have a light for me, I forgot my lighter?} Oh but I forgot the most important thing of all smoking is fine and cool so long as you do NOT and I repeat DO NOT EVER EVER EVER come within 20 feet of my canopy with a lit cigarette.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #47 September 5, 2003 QuoteQuoteQuoteHey, some smokers are even glad that some states have laws like California's - where smoking isn't allowed in virtually ANY public building. While I agree that non-smokers should have access to clean air while dining, dancing, watching sports at a bar, etc, I think a free market should provide it, not the government. One of life's pleasures is smoking while drinking, and it should be a business owner's option to have a "cigar and single-malt scotch night" or some such thing, but in California it would be illegal. Why would a non-smoker who is offended by cigar smoke want to go to such an event? And if he wouldn't, why shouldn't those who ARE so inclined be allowed to do so? Blues, Dave Well, there are parents out there that want their girls to be in the boy scouts too, so..... Hmmm...you may have a point. If smoking in California is prohibited in "public buildings", how is "public" defined? Could a smoke-savvy business owner open a private club that caters to smokers and also get a liquor license such that he could host events at which smoking was allowed (or for that matter encouraged)? Or perhaps a bar similar to those in Utah at which one has to be a member? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyanvil 0 #48 September 6, 2003 >>B.C. wildfires cost taxpayers $7.4 million a day. By Thursday, fighting wildfires had cost the B.C. government more than amount allotted for all of 2003, a total of $144 million and climbing.<< And I can assure you that that is no where near how much the canadian government pays in health care for people who smoke cigarrettes.Vid "stons fal, evrysing fals, but doesnt on purpos change its flite pas an positioning..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #49 September 6, 2003 I have to admit, smoking doesn't bother me. I don't smoke but if someone else wants to then do it. If it bothers me enough I'll ask you to stop or I will leave. Seems simple to me. I don't understand the big issue. "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smiles 0 #50 September 6, 2003 Quote>>B.C. wildfires cost taxpayers $7.4 million a day. By Thursday, fighting wildfires had cost the B.C. government more than amount allotted for all of 2003, a total of $144 million and climbing.<< And I can assure you that that is no where near how much the canadian government pays in health care for people who smoke cigarrettes. canadian goverment collects the taxes & GST on cigarettes (charging $7.35 cnd. a pack--going up to $10.00 cnd. a pack by Xmas) Therefore the smokers are paying well for their health care. Also an alcoholic pays well for health care when paying taxes on boooooze. But why the hell have they gouged the taxpayer for gasoline?? Re: do not smoke, drink or drive in Canada and pay less tax SMiles Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
