TheAnvil 0 #51 August 11, 2003 I'm trying to be a kinder and gentler Anvil these days. I wouldn't let Mike Moore proofread the title page of one of my high school term papers - unless it was about lying your way to the top. I feel sorry for his old haunts in Flint, MI, but he's really nothing more than a liar who has achieved some accolades due to the way he presents his lies. If he really believes the propaganda he puts out, somebody should give him an IV of morphine, because it's got to HURT being that stupid. I'll try and mitigate my kinder, gentler drift. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #52 August 11, 2003 He is a decent propagandist for the left's ideology - that's a fact. Let's see this Jackass Moore go into the Lockheed plant that he claims manufactures missiles and tell the employees he's sorry for misrepresenting what they do. Or go into the bank he maligned for handing out guns like candy and tell the employees - 'Hey! I know I stretched the truth, harmed your image, and made you look like evil people, but hey! I'm a nice guy with a good message!' He won't - he's a coward. He spouts this garbage to those who might actually believe it and plays upon their ignorance in order to bring them to his point of view. Goebbels would have been so proud. Dean/Kerry and their brethren are REALLY proud of this man. Idiots. 7.62mm sounds good to me! It doesn't hurt to fantasize on occasion..... Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #53 August 11, 2003 QuoteSpeaking of Dutch... I'm going there in two hours!!! ... Well good fokken to you! Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobsled92 0 #54 August 11, 2003 M.Moore inspires me TO absolutly!!!!!!! ....go back on the Atkins diet............that is all, thank you._______________________________ If I could be a Super Hero, I chose to be: "GRANT-A-CLAUS". and work 365 days a Year. http://www.hangout.no/speednews/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #55 August 11, 2003 Oh, come on, Anvil. His heart is in the right place. Can't you see that he made this film for the children? Shame on you for unfairly portraying a lying liberal propogandist as a lying liberal propogandist. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #56 August 11, 2003 Quote Can't you see that he made this film for the children? dont make us shoot you too.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GigaBuist 0 #57 August 12, 2003 Disclaimer: I'm wearing an NRA hat right now. Literally. This alone makes me biased against Mickey Mouse... err, Moore. I had heard a bit here and there about Bowling for Columbine, most of it through my NRA magazines. A few scathing articles pointing out the sheer inaccuracies of it got my blood boiling. Somebody making a film that takes the far-left side and using shots of Heston saying things that are out of context are just fine honestly. Pieces together sentences from different speeches though to put words in the man's mouth is just wrong though. I was interested in the matter, knowing full good and well than an NRA magazine would be biased on the issue. I ran across http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html on the internet a while ago which somebody else has pointed out on here too. Here's a link for you. I don't know if the author is a right winger like me or not but he presents his argument as somebody who does documentaries who think's it's absurd that BFC got an Oscar in this category. Nothing about this film is true. It boils my blood to see a picture of that smug little man sometimes. Oh, here is another site debunking Moore's myths. I haven't read it in depth yet but it's probably worth a look. Twisting statistics to present your point of view is one thing. Sure there is an alarming rate of "child deaths" from firearms in the United States. When you define children as anybody below 21 and count gang shooting in there the numbers work out well. That's a problem, no matter which side of the bill you're on. No other nation that I know of has such an alarming homicide rate amoung young people. Heston acknowleges this I beleive during the movie. We have a race problem. There is something wrong here. However I come from an area where gun ownership is probably as high as anywhere else in the country. You walk into somebody's house and it's not uncommon to see 5-10 rifles in a cabinet for hunting. Gun violence there? Nonexistant. I move half an hour away though into a more urban area where I'm a nutjob for owning one gun, let alone 6, and gun violence is higher here. I don't know a single person that I work with here that actually owns a firearm. We have more murders in this county though. Something's wrong but it's not gun ownership. Although there's more gun violence -here- than where I grew up there are fewer guns - but there are more minorities. Well hell, it must be their fault, right?! You can use stats to show that gun ownership equals gun violence and you can use stats to show that minorities equal gun violence. Somebody saying "Gun toting rednecks are the problem with this country" is every bit as foolish as another saying "It's 'dem nigrahs cauzin trouble 'round here!". I support neither view. Moore got away with blaming this country's violence problem on people like me though. He likes to equate the NRA with the KKK in his movie but I consider his actions no more responsible, helpful, or logical than some asspuppet saying "it's the nigrah's fault!". He's free to hold whatever beleifs he wants in his head. He's free to speak them too -- but out and out propaganda is another thing. Getting award for it just drops my friggen jaw. If he wanted to stand on stage, make a movie, or writel articles explaining his point of view to the country why people like me are so darned horrible for our nation that's fine. I'll disagree with him until the day I die, but I'll let him speak. However, turning Heston, the NRA and effectively all it's members into war mongering racicists by fabricating audio and video pieces through editing is totally different. It's just plain wrong. The sheer number of people that have been sucked into his little dream world through this is just amazing. I knew he was a lefty liberal and I was okay with that until I dove down into his movie. I'm tempted to buy it just so I can point of more than what others have done already but I'm hesitant to hand over any money that would support his actions. I think it's just plain too easy to prey on the minds of people who grew up in urban environments to get them to agree with his thought process. I grew up in a small town and now I live in a big town. I have friends that moved into our small town while in high school that were initially very very uncomfortable with the idea of me owning a firearm. I work with college educated people that find it utterly foreign that a professional and intelligent human being would own a gun let alone more than one. Moore plays on this artfully. He just doesn't "get" what the men and women of the NRA are about though. We're anti crime. Hard to beleive I know. We're against murder beleive it or not. We beleive what we beleive because we think that we're honestly helping America by being prepared. We are the first to stand up and help a fellow American out. Don't beleive me? I'm driving down to the DZ on Saturday down the expressway and what do I see? Two cars hit eachother and go racing off into the median. One of them flips over, perhaps both. An SUV and a small sports coupe type car. I boogie down 200 yards, hit the breaks and check the mile markers, grab my cellphone, dial 911 and give directions as I get out of my car explaining what's going on. Cars keep flying by as I look for a spot to run across the road and see if there's anything I can do. Many could have stopped before or with me but they didn't. First on the scene? One guy with an NRA cap stuck to his head trying to calm a woman down with blood on her face as she tries to give directions to a 911 operator 3 minutes after I've already called. I stick around to see if I can do anything until the fireman and paramedics arive then quitely exit when things are known to be under control. This is what Moore doesn't get about NRA members. We are not angels of death. We hold weapons as tools and nothing more. May God help us if we ever need to use them, but we are prepared. We're the "crazy guy" with a rachet set in the trunk of his car in case he sees somebody broke down at the side of the roads. We'll change your tire if you can't on the side of the road. We'll give you a jump if you need one. We'll get down under your car in a shirt and tie to fix up a broken transmission fluid line (done that!)... oh, and we'll pull out a firearm to defend ourselves and fellow Americans if need be. We're just prepeared. We're grown up Boy Scouts. I don't see why this is so darned scarey to Moore. Who would you turn to in a desperate moment? Michael Moore on one side with a smug little I-hate-Americans smile on his face or the guy with an NRA bumper sticker? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #58 August 12, 2003 QuoteWhen the French invaded Britain 1066 (when the French were actually bad-asses) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Normans invaded in 1066. The Normans were not French although Normandy is now part of France. Normans were more closely related to Scandinavians than to the French. That's right. Listen to Kallend. The French were never badasses. "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #59 August 12, 2003 Well that's not strictly true, and I think you know enough about Taoism to know why. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #60 August 12, 2003 [Quote]True. The Normans and William the Conqueror were related to the Scandinavians. But, they spoke French.[/Quote] Oh. I get it. So all Americans are really English! tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
