Martini 0 #26 October 30, 2011 If you're looking at one and decide not to buy it let me know, I might be interested if it's a 120 or 107. Probably the most debated canopy around if you hadn't noticed.Sometimes you eat the bear.............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #27 October 30, 2011 i forgot to mention everyone should jump one, it teaches you how to pack and never bitch about any openings again.Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firstime 0 #28 October 30, 2011 good try, not a good guess though. I have packed this beast many ways to no avail. To say I didnt roll the nose is somewhat of an insult. Sabre 1 is a great car cover Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firstime 0 #29 October 30, 2011 they stopped making them,,nuff said Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mdrejhon 8 #30 October 30, 2011 I've been satisfied with my Sabre 170 and actually jump it a lot longer than I expected to (about 600 jumps on it). But I would never trust a packer to pack it again - the only slammer that injured me was not my own packjob. Visited hospital as my neck felt immobilized. Thankfully nothing spinal. Due to stretched ligaments in my neck, I was sore for 4 months and had to change sleeping positions for that duration. I still jump it. My own packjobs only. But that is no fun when I help organize a Rainbow Boogie. Next canopy is probably a Pilot 140 or similar, as I've demoed many of those already. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain_stan 0 #31 October 30, 2011 QuoteTo say I didnt roll the nose For clarity and for your benefit, I followed my question with a question mark; it's not an accusation. It was based on my own experience with many packs and jumps on canopies that tended to open as hard or harder than the Sabre 1. Discussions like this may help those who need packing tips. Quoteis somewhat of an insult. Sorry, I didn't think you'd be so sensitive. You'll notice in the thread that many w/ higher jump #'s and more years than you have a higher opinion of the Sabre 1. That could be due to packing skills. OBTW, Let me guess--when you rolled the nose, you didn't stuff each half into the center cell? [rhetorical this time] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #32 October 30, 2011 Quotethey stopped making them,,nuff said no, they made them since the very early 90s into 2001 - and after 10+ years of production they discontinued the original Sabre and released the Sabre2. Your statement is equivalent of saying that any particular car model sucks because it is no longer produced. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
julio_gyn 0 #33 October 30, 2011 I don't have many jumps, but all I have jumped after my course is my sabre 1, and I LOVE IT, I'm not a great packer and didn't have any problems yet.Julio Cesar blue skies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #34 October 30, 2011 Sure! I have hundreds of jumps on Sabre 1-135, 150 and 170. The only time they slammed me - during opening - was when I packed sloppily. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crotalus01 0 #35 October 30, 2011 The only model of Sabre I would NOT fly again is the 190 with the double brake lines. I loved everything about it but the openings were just brutal. I switched sliders twice, tried every packing method, had several Sabre pilots and a couple of riggers pack it for me - nothing helped. It finally opened so hard it broke 9 lines and tore the bottom skin. I recovered the canopy and still have it, but I have no intention of ever getting it airworthy again. I think it will make a nice warm pair of pants and jacket. Honestly if I had figured a way to tame the openings I would still be jumping it. As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pms07 3 #36 October 30, 2011 Well, I think it's fair to say the Sabre does not snivel much. It was also the best selling canopy in the world for years and, at one point as I recall, more Sabres had been sold than any other sport canopy; ever. Don't know if that is still true... I put ~2000 jumps on the 170, 150, 135, 120 and would go back to jumping one today if I did not have more modern options. Mostly brisk but reasonable openings for me, including flying camera. Was never fond of the 190 with the alternative steering line/brake setup and thought openings were less easy to control, however. I had a few slammers with the 190... Attention to packiing is important with the Sabre; slider at stops, good tight line stows, etc. Pocket or larger slider worked well for some but I never felt the need for one on any of the Sabres I owned. For those thinking about jumping a Sabre1 it's probably worth considering that it's a 20+ year old design... Still, it's not a bad canopy even when considering canopy technology has moved forward significantly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,426 #37 October 31, 2011 Hi 07, QuoteIt was also the best selling canopy in the world for years The last time I discussed this issue with PD, they informed me that the Sabre II was their best selling canopy. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMURRAY 1 #38 October 31, 2011 a good canopy but I would spend extra and get rid of the standard slider and get a dome slider from Skyworks.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 559 #39 October 31, 2011 QuoteOBTW, Let me guess--when you rolled the nose, you didn't stuff each half into the center cell? [rhetorical this time] Don't PD say that you shouldn't do this? I have only jumped Sabre 2's and have never rolled the nose, so I am trying to learn here.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rastapara 0 #40 October 31, 2011 I'm happy with my sabre, I have about 70ish jumps on the thing- only slammed on me twice when I forgot to roll the nose in. Easily avoidable, and flies great IMO...Parachute gear garage sale at :http://www.usedparachutes.eu Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain_stan 0 #41 October 31, 2011 QuoteDon't PD say that you shouldn't do this? Dunno if they specifically nixed this for the Sabre 1. While it is certainly unsuitable for many newer canopies, it was a standard-enough practice on old-school square canopies that at least one other mfr. recommends it for similar application. Anyway, it works really well. QuoteI have only jumped Sabre 2's and have never rolled the nose, so I am trying to learn here. I appreciate that, Nigel. Sabre 2 is a way different animal than Sabre 1 and opens more softly anyway. I'm a little disappointed that PD kept the same name, but the original was marketed very successfully, hence the follow-up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 559 #42 October 31, 2011 QuoteQuoteDon't PD say that you shouldn't do this? Dunno if they specifically nixed this for the Sabre 1. While it is certainly unsuitable for many newer canopies, it was a standard-enough practice on old-school square canopies that at least one other mfr. recommends it for similar application. Anyway, it works really well. QuoteI have only jumped Sabre 2's and have never rolled the nose, so I am trying to learn here. I appreciate that, Nigel. Sabre 2 is a way different animal than Sabre 1 and opens more softly anyway. I'm a little disappointed that PD kept the same name, but the original was marketed very successfully, hence the follow-up. ThanksExperienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firstime 0 #43 October 31, 2011 You got me Stan ps I still don't like the sabre Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martini 0 #44 November 2, 2011 Really I hope you keep dissing the Sabre, I'll try to refrain from promoting it. If we work together it will enable me to get inexpensive excellent canopies for many years. Since I jump the smaller sizes most people pass on them anyway.Sometimes you eat the bear.............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #45 November 2, 2011 Quote Really I hope you keep dissing the Sabre, I'll try to refrain from promoting it. If we work together it will enable me to get inexpensive excellent canopies for many years. Since I jump the smaller sizes most people pass on them anyway. +1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VideoFly 0 #46 November 2, 2011 My 170 opened, flew, and landed beautifully. My 150 opened quickly and soft. It also flew and landed great. My 135 slammed me on openings. It was more like a double slam side to side. All in all, I think the Sabre 1 was a great canopy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
babz 0 #47 November 2, 2011 I've put around 130 jumps on my Sabre 190 (DOM. 94) with the double breaklines which are an extra faff. All in all, the canopy has its good points and its bad points. I like the short recovery of the canopy on turns, and it is quite docile. It has a very powerful flare still, which i like. What i'm not so much a fan of is the glide angle, as mine is rather ground hungry for its loading (~1.15-1.2) which means a bum spot means hanging on the rears. When it comes to openings.. well I started jumping camera just after 200 Jumps and my view of the openings have changed. Each opening is pretty hard, and I've been experimenting with various packing styles to help (with mixed success). I've never had an opening so hard that I've injured myself, and my container has no padding to mitigate it.. However, whenever folk see the video's they do say the openings are ridiculously quick.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trae 1 #48 November 2, 2011 Would you fly one? oh yeah, I mean who hasn't ? you're missing out on experiencing a classic canopy. oh its old so its no good eh?My Sabre still gets in the air with new lines and still shiny new looking 'cause it was looked after properly not like a lot of trashed 'car cover' sabres out there. Reliable , Fun , and a finger up to the new or nothing crowd. Its in my collection of classic parachutes including a stolen (and not forgotton packer matey! ) Stratostar, Comet, Maverick, Excalibur and Katana, (with an unloved Hobbit and x228 thrown in as extras. 20 years on and still kicking , that's some good design work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBCOOPER 5 #49 November 3, 2011 noReplying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #50 November 3, 2011 My first canopy was a Sabre1 170, I put a few hundred jumps on it. My back up container now has a Sabre1 150, probably 40 jumps on that one. No complaints, no hard openings, no issues. I wouldn't use it as my primary canopy, as I'm hopelessly in love with my Nitro, but it's still a good canopy. Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
