DYEVOUT 0 #26 August 6, 2003 God is gonna get all you guys, for giving him a rough time. ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #27 August 6, 2003 I would like to share some of my religious history with you folks. My first experience involving religion was when I was 7 years old. My parents were smart enough not to push religion on me so I could make my own decision. My dad always said to me,"You don't have to go to church to be a good person." Christians always say to me," Just because you are a good person doesn't mean you are going to heaven." Anyhow when I was 7 (I lived in South Georgia) a friend of mine invited me to go to church with him and his parents. My parents thought it was a good idea and was excited that I had an open mind and was willing to learn. Church was fine right up until the "offering" dish, "donation" dish, the "give the church money or you will go to hell" dish ended up in my lap. I didn't even have a penny on me to put in it. My friends parents were shocked and made me feel guilty that my parents didn't give me money to give to the church. At the same time they gave my friend a dollar so he didnt have to feel guilty. Strike 1! After the sermon I was introduced to the clergy man that ran the establishment. He questioned me about my religious background as well as my parent's background. All I could see in his eyes was judgement. I was the little devil incarnate that wasn't brainwashed at an early age to give into the church's desires. Keep in mind I was only 7. Strike 2! Then my firend invited me to Sunday school which happened to fall on a wednesday. I told the teacher that I had never touched a bible before and was interested in learning. she was very happy about that, at first. When she asked the class to open the bible to a specific "page", i couldn't find it on my own. the teacher was very irritated that i didn't know my way around a bible. She started asking me to find certain excerpts, demanding that noone in the class help me. She kept getting pissed when i couldn't find it making me a very frustrated little boy. She was harrassing me to the point that her focus was soley on making me look like a little devil incarnate in front of her whole class. She even said at one point,"See class. This is what happens when you don't go to Sunday school." Strike 3! You are fucking out God! Later in life I decided to become buddhist. But that is a much longer and more interesting story best left for another time. Please send donations to Downwardspiral@fuckthechurchcuztheyrefuckingu.comto further enlighten and educate the bible humpers to the evil that lies within the church. How could you worship a God that intended it to be this way?www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #28 August 6, 2003 QuoteGod is gonna get all you guys, for giving him a rough time. I would never give God a rough time. I would give people that wish to use God for their own selfish ambitions a damn rough time.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GARYC24 3 #29 August 6, 2003 I agree with you, and have enjoyed your post! All this has made me think this way: as a Christian (that means I believe JESUS is who he said he is) This is what to be expected from the world: To be perfect in everything you say and do To know the Bible inside and out and be able t o answer every question brought to you. To forgive your enemies and pray To never drink, smoke, drugs, cuss or laugh at funny jokes. To never work in government, (you cannot serve both) To live the 10 commandments (not the 10 suggestions) To not sin To always keep it to yourself and never tell anyone about the Gospel (which means "the good news") To go to church/fellowship and tithe. To never get mad or depress, we're suppose to be happy in bad times because their a blessing of faith..sort of stuff. To expect to be treated like SHIT! Basically that how I feel about where the world is heading. It's a do whatever you feel like, me generation, men having sex with other men (women,too) but that's okay because it's LOVE..and they have rights. I basically give-up on any notion that the world will change towards the better! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #30 August 6, 2003 QuoteNot at all! Would you propose banning atheists from government if they won't say the pledge, since it contradicts their religious beliefs? Shouldn't you be skydiving somewhere??? _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,008 #31 August 6, 2003 >Shouldn't you be skydiving somewhere??? Well, I would, except I have to work. Which means sitting in the avionics bay of a big airplane watching other people install one of my systems. I can't touch anything of course since I'm not an A+P, and they have all the prints, which means that what I'm really doing is surfing the web on a laptop/cellphone while they work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #32 August 6, 2003 QuoteWhen I was in kindergarden i always said ..."one nation underdog, invisible"... glad it wasnt just me... of course even after i learned the 'right' words i kept saying that version..my mother had already been asked not to bring me to sunday school anymore..____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #33 August 6, 2003 QuoteGod is gonna get all you guys, for giving him a rough time. I don't believe in the boogie-man any more so I'll be just fine.Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #34 August 6, 2003 QuoteQuoteGod is gonna get all you guys, for giving him a rough time. I don't believe in the boogie-man any more so I'll be just fine. i believe in the boogie-man. I've seen his disco ball ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aero04 0 #35 August 6, 2003 All right, religious debates. I wonder how long it will take for this one to get locked too. I had a somewhat similar experience as downwardspiral did. I didn't see the inside of a church until I was 12 or 13. I didn't go to any kind of a service until 16 or 17. So I wasn't influenced by the church from birth. By then I could think for myself and I had a hard time believing some of the stories that are said to be true. Examples: 6000 year old earth, Noahs Ark, Jonah and the whale..... to name a few. So I questioned everything and always got the "you gotta have faith" answer. Sorry, doesn't hold water with me. BTW, Quade, do you have all these links that you post bookmarked previously? You seem to have a link for every subject. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #36 August 6, 2003 Quote BTW, Quade, do you have all these links that you post bookmarked previously? You seem to have a link for every subject. Some topics yes, some no. If I don't have something to support my position, it's usually just a short google away though. I usually know what I'm looking for so I usually don't have to search for very long.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,030 #37 August 6, 2003 Quote Kallend, you seem to have no understanding of the true teachings of the Catholic Church, so your opinions mean absolutely nothing to me. You have drawn your own conclusions based not on prayer and discernment, but on what you feel like believing. Chris BTW, you will never see me post something that distorts the teaching of any other religion. Maybe you should do a little reading on the history of the Roman church - you don't have to believe me. Even Roman Catholic scholars agree that the 4th Gospel was almost certainly not written by John of Zebedee, but by a woman. Why has the Roman church excluded certain Gospels that disagree with its position on women? Who decided which gospels were to be included in the "official" version? Do you dispute that the Inquisition occured? Do you dipute that the Vatican office responsible for the Inquisition still exists?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Push 0 #38 August 6, 2003 I don't like the church either, however I don't see how church = God. Church is just an institution made by man. God is not. I do believe this: if God does exist, and if God does judge, then as long as I try to be good to other people and do good He will understand my life. I doubt he cares which body parts me and my partner (whatever sex/gender) use for what activities. He does care that I never murdered anyone. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #39 August 6, 2003 http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mbible1.htmlquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiverRick 0 #40 August 6, 2003 I could be wrong, but wasn't this country founded in part to escape religious persecution? Meaning that they wanted the right to openly practice whatever religion that they wanted? never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #41 August 6, 2003 mostly, although the Quakers actually wanted to be free to persecute others as opposed to being free from persecution.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,008 #42 August 6, 2003 >I had a somewhat similar experience as downwardspiral did. I didn't see the inside of a church until I was 12 or 13. I had the opposite experience. Raised by a very religious family; my grandmother knew every saint, holy day, every pope etc. Went to a catholic high school and took four years of religious studies. What I saw and learned (and what they taught vs what I found out when I did my own research) made me pretty bitter and anti-church. It took a while to get over that, to realize that the catholic church is like any large group of people. Sometimes they do really stupid things, but on the whole they do more good than bad, at least nowadays. A lot of people are "saved" by their belief in this particular flavor of worship, and if it makes them good people, well, great! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueEyedMonster 0 #43 August 7, 2003 I have to agree will billvon. Kinda the same situation for me. But, I had made my decisions by the ripe old age of 17. I could articulate my reasoning and my mom respected my decision and let me drop out of everything. Although wouldn't it be nice if people could be "saved" just by their own personal motivation and didn't need the whole god-motivation to turn their lives around? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #44 August 7, 2003 QuoteI could be wrong, but wasn't this country founded in part to escape religious persecution? Meaning that they wanted the right to openly practice whatever religion that they wanted? Sure! By some. Certainly not by all. Some folks were brought here against their will. Others came because their home country was starving. Some still do and it has nothing to do with religion. In any case, the point of the First Amendment is that the government should not be involved in the expression of religion. The basic concept of government and faith-based ANYTHING ought to be fought tooth and nail.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #45 August 7, 2003 What do I know.....in protest I have a 5 inch PAGAN religious symbol tattooed on my right bicep. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #46 August 7, 2003 I can top that, I punched a nun in the face when I was 2 years old. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #47 August 7, 2003 QuoteI punched a nun in the face when I was 2 years old. That's just defending yourself when you are in Catholic school. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #48 August 7, 2003 I know I am extremely intelligent, but I wasn't in Catholic School when I was 2. Maybe I just knew what was to come and wanted to make the pre-emptive strike. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropdeded 0 #49 August 7, 2003 Yeah I know, posting opinions regarding religion in a public forum is a good way to start a fire... certainly not trying to start a fire, but sometimes I just speak my mind __________________________________________________ -Come on Luke, Aint ya SCARED- dropdeded still shakin it here Boss------------------------------------------ The Dude Abides. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #50 August 7, 2003 i'm more of a fire feeder myself...i let someone get the spark going before i pour some jet A on ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
