Amazon 7 #51 August 6, 2003 Way to go Bill,,,, Looking out for others is something more people should do. Sometimes the look-out-ees are not appreciative.. but the others around them that could be adversly affected... surely do. Hell I'd jump with ya again anytime.... Again.. Way to go. Amazon Member of the 14way Girlieway w/ a Bill jump at Lost Prairie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropdeded 0 #52 August 6, 2003 Wow, what to say. Thank God you handled it. My only other thought is that I sincerely hope this chick either allready knows, or soon comes to realize the seriousness of what happened up there, and takes appropriate steps to deal with it. dropdeded------------------------------------------ The Dude Abides. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #53 August 6, 2003 Amazing. Stay safe.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #54 August 6, 2003 A couple of thoughts: 1) Great job Billvon, especially impressed that you kept an eye on the altitude, ensuring that you won't end up a dead hero. 2) I am surprised she did not get grounded immediately until further assessment. 3) Cypres is a good thing! Here in Australia it is mandatory until E license (which is maybe a little harsh). But I think Cypres should be mandatory until you are reasonable experienced and there is less chance of a brain lock caused by nervousness/stress (I assume this was the case here)--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #55 August 6, 2003 Holy shit, Bill! Thanks for keeping our skies safe once again! That Amy's got quite a guy there... ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JamesNahikian 0 #56 August 6, 2003 HH: I suggest that you move this thread to the Incidents Forum, as customarily is done with similar events like the Perris "Smoking Incident." D. James Nahikian CHICAGO Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fast 0 #57 August 6, 2003 Very awesome, my hats off for a catch like that! Glad everyone is ok Scary stuff~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #58 August 6, 2003 Well played Bill. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking 0 #59 August 6, 2003 QuoteHH: I suggest that you move this thread to the Incidents Forum, as customarily is done with similar events like the Perris "Smoking Incident." D. James Nahikian CHICAGO this thread wouldn't fit well in the incidents forum. Although one simply stating the facts would.I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver My God has a bigger dick than your god -George Carlin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #60 August 6, 2003 Great job, Bill. We need more switched-on jumpers like you. [Bow]Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JamesNahikian 0 #61 August 6, 2003 Visit that forum at least once in your skydiving career, I suggest. This simply is another "Smoking-Related"-type Incident, and it properly belongs in the Incidents Forum with the usual posts. BTW, where did the deployee receive her training? _That_ fact is most important. D. James Nahikian CHICAGO Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #62 August 6, 2003 Lucky for her she had a switched on AFF instructor on the dive. Did anybody get a chance to look at her log-book? Find out exactly how many jumps she had and what she had done (or not done!) on them? The fact that she was conscious but unable to maintain a stable body and pull (either handle) for herself is rather disturbing. Someone with about 100 jumps _should_ be able to safely attempt a 4-way (regardless of how many points are completed). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KawiZX900 0 #63 August 6, 2003 Bravo! Accelerate hard to get them looking, then slam on the fronts and rollright beside the car, hanging the back wheel at eye level for a few seconds. Guaranteed reaction- Dave Sonsky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dumpster 0 #64 August 6, 2003 Very awesome Bill - Defintiely ! That little lady is fortunate to have had you on the jump! Easy Does It Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BBKid 0 #65 August 6, 2003 Bloody Nora! I know the primary reason most people give for having a Cypres is in case they're unconscious in freefall, but this is worse. I know I'm only a dumb student, but I've always thought that no matter how you arse up the dive, the only thing you worry about at pull time is pulling, regardless of position (though it's advisable to be stable on your belly). Good save man! Nick --------------------------- "I've pierced my foot on a spike!!!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #66 August 6, 2003 Wow, Bill! You are amazing!There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #67 August 6, 2003 Was she showing any other signs of heat exhaustion? I know you didn't get much chance to speak to her on the ground, but maybe Anita did? The inability to comprehend both the dirt dive, and what happened in freefall made me wonder. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bwilling 0 #68 August 6, 2003 QuoteShe wasn't quite sure what had happened, and was asking things like "where's my main?" She assumed she had had a cutaway. Holy shit! First off, very heads up work Bill... Second, somebody please find that girl, and give her the bowling talk! Just out of curiosity, do you, as a load organizer at an event like WFFC, ask to see log books to verify the number of jumps that someone 'claims' to have? "If all you ever do is all you ever did, then all you'll ever get is all you ever got." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #69 August 6, 2003 >she needs someone at her home DZ to know what happened, and >give her a good stern talking-to that she'll listen, maybe with the >bowling lecture included. Yeah, that's why I've been trying to find out where her home DZ is, so I can give them a call. Rantoul's not a good place to do the kind of remedial training she needs anyway, and her original JM's/coaches should know how she's doing so they can talk to her/work with her. I have Anita and DJan looking for her today and tomorrow. (I have to take a few days off Rantoul to do real work.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyskydiver 0 #70 August 6, 2003 QuoteJust out of curiosity, do you, as a load organizer at an event like WFFC, ask to see log books to verify the number of jumps that someone 'claims' to have? I don't know if the LO's do, but when I checked in and got my gear check, one of the things the gentleman checking me in did was verify the number of jumps in my log book, where I jumped and when my last jump was.Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #71 August 6, 2003 QuoteWas she showing any other signs of heat exhaustion? I know you didn't get much chance to speak to her on the ground, but maybe Anita did? The inability to comprehend both the dirt dive, and what happened in freefall made me wonder. _Am Maybe she is diabetic and was going through a low blood sugar event at the time? I have a friend who'd start acting rather goofy when this happened but knew well enough to sit down and take a break with lunch if that happened. Yes, please try and find this girl and have a long talk with her, Bill. (or anyone else out there who knows who this is). You may save her life yet again! ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuickDraw 0 #72 August 6, 2003 Well done Bill, i suddenly feel a whole lot better about by belly work. Glad you guys are all ok and looking out for each other. -- Hope you don't die. -- I'm fucking winning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #73 August 6, 2003 >Just out of curiosity, do you, as a load organizer at an event like >WFFC, ask to see log books to verify the number of jumps that >someone 'claims' to have? They do that at registration, so theoretically the jumpers we get have at least 50 jumps. On occasion the registration folks will get someone with 40 jumps or who is very uncurrent or something and they'll give us a heads-up. Once we know that we can make sure they get put on appropriate dives (2 ways etc.) If it's really bad, if they have 10 jumps or something and are absolutely determined to jump there, they get sent to the AFF tent. Usually at tent 4 we have a 'ground' organizer whose job it is to find out what people's experience level is, what their unique issues are (i.e. they're bowling balls or they can't float on the otter) and what they want to do. Generally that's DJan, and generally she just goes by what they say. 99% of the time that's not a problem since she's quite good at reading people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #74 August 6, 2003 Bravo Zulu, Bill! Well done!"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #75 August 6, 2003 QuoteVisit that forum at least once in your skydiving career, I suggest. This simply is another "Smoking-Related"-type Incident, and it properly belongs in the Incidents Forum with the usual posts. BTW, where did the deployee receive her training? _That_ fact is most important. D. James Nahikian CHICAGO I suggest this thread be moved to all other forums. Actions such as this need to be recognized throughout our sport. Thanks for keeping her name out of it, she does not need more embarrassment. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
