TheAnvil 0 #1 August 6, 2003 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,93938,00.html Dammit! I hate this SOB. This is death penalty stuff in my view. Thoughts? Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #2 August 6, 2003 Clicky __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #3 August 6, 2003 QuoteBoykins said he understood at the time that his actions could kill or seriously injure a jumper because reserve chutes fail in nearly half the cases they're used. Huh? QuoteBoykins originally was charged with 13 counts of attempted premeditated murder, 13 counts of reckless endangerment, 13 counts of aggravated assault and other crimes. So, what happened to the attempted murder charges?? He said he knew he could've killed someone... MF'ing piece of sh!t waste of life bastard... you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DYEVOUT 0 #4 August 6, 2003 QuoteThis is death penalty stuff in my view. Thoughts? I agree wholeheartedly. . . .. and - With a 50% reserve failure rate, I think I'd look for some other riggers. ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casie 0 #5 August 6, 2003 WTF were these people thinking??? They need to be punished!~Porn Kitty WARNING: Goldschlager causes extreme emotional outbursts! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jayruss 0 #6 August 6, 2003 QuoteBoykins said he understood at the time that his actions could kill or seriously injure a jumper because reserve chutes fail in nearly half the cases they're used. WTF, I hope half of reserves don't fail, are there any riggers that can verify this statement? __________________________________________________ "Beware how you take away hope from another human being." -Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #7 August 6, 2003 31 yrs at Fort L. is a very long streach. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #8 August 6, 2003 Not long enough. you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #9 August 6, 2003 Quote Not long enough. I definitely didn't mean to imply that the possible sentence fits the crime, only that 31 yrs could definitely break someone at that place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #10 August 6, 2003 QuoteQuote Not long enough. I definitely didn't mean to imply that the possible sentence fits the crime, only that 31 yrs could definitely break someone at that place. I have no problem with that. His actions could have broken those Marines. Now he's gonna get his. you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #11 August 6, 2003 Quoteare there any riggers that can verify this statement? I'm not a rigger but I can tell you that's the number the military throws out. The problem is that belly wart reserves just suck. The newer MIRPS system at least has a spring loaded PC which helps. The old one you literally had the grab as much as you could of the material and throw it..... That equipment sucks but it gets the job done I guess. Luckily in 72 military S/L's I never had to open a reserve. THANK GOD!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,008 #12 August 6, 2003 > I hope half of reserves don't fail, are there any riggers that can verify this statement? Certainly not true on modern gear, and not even true on the worst of older gear (i.e. no-pilot-chute manually deployed belly mount reserves.) They were not as reliable as modern freebag/PC/square systems but failure rates were nowhere near 50%. Note that since jumpers on those systems were often trained to not cut away from a mal, you would often get a main/reserve entanglement after a mal - but on a system with two rounds that's not as big a deal as long as you have enough surface area remaining to slow your descent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #13 August 6, 2003 QuoteThey were not as reliable as modern freebag/PC/square systems but failure rates were nowhere near 50%. Agreed.....I don't think the ACTUAL numbers were that bad but IT IS the number that they throw out in military jumping. There are also MANY other factors involved......like the 4 million snag points on the 200+ pounds of gear you are wearing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coconutmonkey 0 #14 August 6, 2003 Sounds like a fairly standard plea bargain. If anyone had been seriously injured of killed, then you would've seen a stronger sentence handed down. I suspect that the command wanted to send a message without raising more attention to the incident (the higher the penalty, the more press, the more visibility, the more marines/paratroopers think about what can go wrong, the worse for morale). Still think they should have referred to FM 22-102 (Wall to Wall Counseling) for action, but hey, that's just me....Hearts & Minds 2 to the Heart- 1 to the Mind- Home of the Coconut Lounge, Spa, & Artillery Range Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #15 August 6, 2003 Quote***They were not as reliable as modern freebag/PC/square systems but failure rates were nowhere near 50%. As recently as the mid seventies, this was still a widely used reserve system for student gear, mostly at the smaller Cessna & a trailer DZ's. I made a few student jumps on this system myself, never had to use the reserve, thank God. But a lot of DZO's at the time actually thought they were safer than cutting away. Not everyone used AOD's (as they were called at the time) on student gear and some people considered having a student cutaway back into freefall too dangerous. I never heard of anyone wrapping or bouncing from a throw out reserve. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,460 #16 August 6, 2003 Part of that impressive number of "failures" is times when the two are both partly open -- that's better than only one partly open. Also, remember that military jumpers leave at about 1200', which gives you a lot less time for a reserve opening, especially with a pull-and-punch. That said, no one actually died. It's not death penalty stuff. Even if you believe in the death penalty. You drive drunk and don't get in a wreck and the penalty is a whole lot less than if you do. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #17 August 6, 2003 1,200 ?!? thats pretty high most of my military SLs were in the 7-9 range.. never had to use the reserve.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #18 August 7, 2003 Interesting thought in the abstract, but I'm not sure if I agree. The incident already made national news - twice. Multiple counts of attempted murder rates more than 31 years in my book. Perhaps not the death penalty - I'd settle for having him jump with one of the chutes he tampered with. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
