BlueEyedMonster 0 #1 August 5, 2003 QuoteU.S. May Penalize Israel Over Fence Mon Aug 4, 7:15 PM ET Add Politics - AP to My Yahoo! By BARRY SCHWEID, AP Diplomatic Writer WASHINGTON - Bush administration officials are considering a reduction in loan guarantees to Israel as a penalty for constructing a security fence to separate Israelis from Palestinian areas. Congress authorized more than a decade ago cuts in U.S. aid to Israel by the amount the Jewish state spent on settling Jews on the West Bank and in Gaza...... Thank YOU! We have the purse strings and the ability to force a solution to this thorn in our political side. Its about time we use it. Click here for the whole article on Yahoo News Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiverRick 0 #2 August 5, 2003 QuoteQuoteU.S. May Penalize Israel Over Fence Mon Aug 4, 7:15 PM ET Add Politics - AP to My Yahoo! By BARRY SCHWEID, AP Diplomatic Writer WASHINGTON - Bush administration officials are considering a reduction in loan guarantees to Israel as a penalty for constructing a security fence to separate Israelis from Palestinian areas. Congress authorized more than a decade ago cuts in U.S. aid to Israel by the amount the Jewish state spent on settling Jews on the West Bank and in Gaza...... Thank YOU! We have the purse strings and the ability to force a solution to this thorn in our political side. Its about time we use it. reply] I find the Mid-East problem as frustrating as the next guy, but how does tearing down a security fence solve the problem? never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BlueEyedMonster 0 #3 August 5, 2003 QuoteI find the Mid-East problem as frustrating as the next guy, but how does tearing down a security fence solve the problem? Its not the tearing down of the fence... but FINALLY someone might use the HUGE amount of money we give to Israel as a way to twist arms that have needed to be twisted for a long time. Its the most ignored but potentially highest rewarding carrot and stick in our foreign policy arsenal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiverRick 0 #4 August 5, 2003 Its not the tearing down of the fence... but FINALLY someone might use the HUGE amount of money we give to Israel as a way to twist arms that have needed to be twisted for a long time. Its the most ignored but potentially highest rewarding carrot and stick in our foreign policy arsenal. Short of packing up and leaving, I don't think that there is any thing that Israel can do to bring peace to that region. In fact if Israel did pack up and leave they would just fight each other. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueEyedMonster 0 #3 August 5, 2003 QuoteI find the Mid-East problem as frustrating as the next guy, but how does tearing down a security fence solve the problem? Its not the tearing down of the fence... but FINALLY someone might use the HUGE amount of money we give to Israel as a way to twist arms that have needed to be twisted for a long time. Its the most ignored but potentially highest rewarding carrot and stick in our foreign policy arsenal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiverRick 0 #4 August 5, 2003 Its not the tearing down of the fence... but FINALLY someone might use the HUGE amount of money we give to Israel as a way to twist arms that have needed to be twisted for a long time. Its the most ignored but potentially highest rewarding carrot and stick in our foreign policy arsenal. Short of packing up and leaving, I don't think that there is any thing that Israel can do to bring peace to that region. In fact if Israel did pack up and leave they would just fight each other. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueEyedMonster 0 #5 August 5, 2003 QuoteShort of packing up and leaving, I don't think that there is any thing that Israel can do to bring peace to that region. In fact if Israel did pack up and leave they would just fight each other. Well, they don't have to go that far, but obeying the UN resolutions passed against them would be a big help. Hmmm maybe we should invade for a regime change? --no not really. But obeying those resolutions would coincide with the peace plan the Saudi's introduced. Their arab neighbors would recognize them as a country that has a right to exist, and sign peace treaties. That would go a long way toward resolving some of the issues. It would still take generations to get over the rest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #6 August 5, 2003 QuoteQuoteI find the Mid-East problem as frustrating as the next guy, but how does tearing down a security fence solve the problem? Its not the tearing down of the fence... but FINALLY someone might use the HUGE amount of money we give to Israel as a way to twist arms that have needed to be twisted for a long time. Its the most ignored but potentially highest rewarding carrot and stick in our foreign policy arsenal. ----------------------------- That sounds like a great idea. The only country in the Middle East whose population does not chant anti-American slogans on a daily basis needs to be repromanded for protecting themselves. Right??? Maybe then they can just finish killing all the Israelis and then Islamic Jihad can get together in the "Holyland" and then come over here and kill us and finally take over the world. If you think for one second that is not the goal of the Muslim faith then you just haven't been around them enough. Is that what your proposing?If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #7 August 5, 2003 Whew. Here I was getting worried there was a country in the Middle East that isn't pissed off at us. What a relief. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueEyedMonster 0 #8 August 5, 2003 QuoteThat sounds like a great idea. The only country in the Middle East whose population does not chant anti-American slogans on a daily basis needs to be repromanded for protecting themselves. Right??? Maybe then they can just finish killing all the Israelis and then Islamic Jihad can get together in the "Holyland" and then come over here and kill us and finally take over the world. If you think for one second that is not the goal of the Muslim faith then you just haven't been around them enough. Oh Reeaalllyy?? The one contry that likes us? Try the one contry that causes more of our problems than any other! What you said about the "Arab Plan" is no more true than to say the Christian agenda is to put women back in their homes barefoot and pregnant with the kids where they belong and lock up the homos because they are pedophiles. Did you ever stop to think of the underlying reason for the anti-American sentiment in the middle east just might be our heavy handed support for Iserael? We went after Saddam for violating UN resolutions and persecuting his people in the name of security. Isreal is in violation of more UN resolutions thatn Saddam was (yeah we actually didn't veto all of them.) Now they want to build a wall like the Berlin wall. But I'm sure you believe all the horrible anti-american sentiment you see on the news... Just like wuffo's believe that skydivers are suicidal fools. You should sit down and talk with some Arab people once. Ask them their opinions.. and ask them why they have those opinions. QuoteIs that what your proposing? I'm proposing to push Isreal into the corner so they accept the Saudi Peace Plan (It was very fair, and we actually thought it was a good idea) They did a good job of muscling the conservative Muslim countries to go with it. So, why can't we use our muscle to push Israel into it? I'll bet that would do lot more for our security that continually pissing in everyone's tea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiverRick 0 #9 August 5, 2003 Until the Arabs stop blowing up innocent civilians (especially children) I'll think of them as the bad guys. I don't care what their motives are, they are wrong. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueEyedMonster 0 #10 August 5, 2003 QuoteUntil the Arabs stop blowing up innocent civilians (especially children) I'll think of them as the bad guys. I don't care what their motives are, they are wrong. And the Christians that support blowing up clinics and killing doctors? Should we support rally and go to war against the bible belt? And what about the Arab/Christian (yes a sizable minorty of Palistinians are Christian) Children that are colateral damage of Israeli actions? Who killed who first? The arm twisting needs to be allied to BOTH sides. Saudi Arabia has done their part, its our turn to do ours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
