alygator 2 #1 November 10, 2011 Hi. I ll buy a gear and sabre2 or safire2 in 150.i can t try the canopy so wich one do you prefer and why. I do mainly wingsuit jump. Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #2 November 10, 2011 you already know my preference of the Safire openingsscissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
holie 0 #3 November 10, 2011 Quote you already know my preference of the Safire openings +1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alygator 2 #4 November 10, 2011 Ok for openig nut after (fligjt and landing?) and durability? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #5 November 10, 2011 flight would be same same, I also prefer Safire for landings, this is personal again. Also Safire comes with vectran lines which I also prefer to Microline. Maybe now Sabre2 could come with the orange vectran, but according to orderforms it doesn't. Sabre 2 is a +/++ canopy Safire 2 ia a ++/+++ canopyscissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alygator 2 #6 November 10, 2011 merci Fish ;) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #7 November 10, 2011 Safire2 is better opening but feels a little less 'sporty' in the air to me. (Sabre2 170 vs Safire2 169) Both have great flare, I went with the Safire for the openings."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
P-dro 0 #8 November 10, 2011 Quoteflight would be same same, I also prefer Safire for landings, this is personal again. I prefer landings on the Sabre 2, I like the openings on the Safire better. YMMV. QuoteAlso Safire comes with vectran lines which I also prefer to Microline. Maybe now Sabre2 could come with the orange vectran, but according to orderforms it doesn't. No Vectran from PD, HMA if you ask. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #9 November 10, 2011 Quote No Vectran from PD, HMA if you ask. Isn't it PD who came out with the orange Vectran ? scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alygator 2 #10 November 10, 2011 Ok and for lifetime, solidity ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #11 November 10, 2011 same same.scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIRDDOCTOR 0 #12 November 10, 2011 I had 200 wingsuit jumps on my safire2 170 before I downsized to a ZPX pilot 150 (which I like just as much). The safire2 has great openings, flying characteristics, and a huge amount of flare. I have jumped a sabre2 in the past and it had a slight more sporty feel but felt better openings was more important for wingsuit flying as that's all I do now. You can't go wrong with a safire2. If you don't go with a safire2 the pilot and storm are great alternatives. Just my 2 cents :)Base# 1638 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilot-one 0 #13 November 10, 2011 Check out the Pilot for several reasons. I've jumped all three and the Pilot is the sportiest of the three by far. It opens consistently without sniveling like the Safire 2 or the end cell issues like the Sabre 2 and you can buy one for much less. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #14 November 11, 2011 QuoteHi. I ll buy a gear and sabre2 or safire2 in 150.i can t try the canopy so wich one do you prefer and why. I do mainly wingsuit jump. Thanks How about demo both? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #15 November 11, 2011 he wrote he can't try them. If you had to choose without trying, which one would you pick ?scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 471 #16 November 11, 2011 Quoteyou already know my preference of the Safire openings What is it about the Safire opening that you prefer? Second question is a Safire trimmed as steeply as a Sabre 2?Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #17 November 11, 2011 great soft openings with a rather long but controlled snivel. AFAIK the Safire is trimmed a tad flatter than the Sabre2, but not very different.scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 471 #18 November 11, 2011 Quotegreat soft openings with a rather long but controlled snivel. AFAIK the Safire is trimmed a tad flatter than the Sabre2, but not very different. Thanks. It sounds similar to what I have heard about a Pilot then.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #19 November 11, 2011 I never jumped a Pilot, therefore I can not judge. But I am an Icarus fanboy. Fuck Yeah ! scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #20 November 11, 2011 QuoteCheck out the Pilot for several reasons. I've jumped all three and the Pilot is the sportiest of the three by far. It opens consistently without sniveling like the Safire 2 or the end cell issues like the Sabre 2 and you can buy one for much less. Really? I disagree with " Pilot is the sportiest of the three by far." I would say hands down the Safire 2. I like the Pilot but Icarus just does things better in my opinion.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIRDDOCTOR 0 #21 November 11, 2011 From the wingsuit perspective both the Pilot (100 WS jumps) and the Safire2 (200 WS jumps) are great canopy's. I would say they are similar in flare power and flying performance but different in opening. Yes the safire2 has more snivel than the pilot but not in an uncomfortable way to me. I have never had a hard opening with the safire2 no matter how quality my pack job (or packers) was and even when I deploy in my wingsuit in full horizontal flight (sometimes 120-130 mph) I still don't have hard openings. The negative of the opening if there is one is line twists can occur more (in a wingsuit) if your packing is off (or deployment body position) because you are in the deployment phase longer with the snivel (but this was not that common still). Sometimes I was able to give gental imputs to the risers during the snivel to get out of them. The pilot has less line twists as the opening is faster but still very comfortable. I have had 1 or 2 hard opening ( so really very few out of 100) from full wingsuit flight from a crap pack job. That's my experience with them. Either way there both exceptional for wingsuit flight. :)Base# 1638 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #22 November 11, 2011 QuoteQuoteCheck out the Pilot for several reasons. I've jumped all three and the Pilot is the sportiest of the three by far. It opens consistently without sniveling like the Safire 2 or the end cell issues like the Sabre 2 and you can buy one for much less. Really? I disagree with " Pilot is the sportiest of the three by far." Ditto. I've flown all 3 in varying sizes and owned various safire's and a pilot 124. IMO the pilot is the least sportiest of the 3. ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #23 November 11, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteCheck out the Pilot for several reasons. I've jumped all three and the Pilot is the sportiest of the three by far. It opens consistently without sniveling like the Safire 2 or the end cell issues like the Sabre 2 and you can buy one for much less. Really? I disagree with " Pilot is the sportiest of the three by far." Ditto. I've flown all 3 in varying sizes and owned various safire's and a pilot 124. IMO the pilot is the least sportiest of the 3. I totally agree.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waveoff5500 0 #24 November 11, 2011 i talked to wink about speeding up the opening a bit, and after talking to him i just let the nose hang when i cocoon it and it has been opening much snappier than before when i would split the nose and roll each side. its not comfortably quick the way i like it. the safire2 is an awesome canopy, responsive, awesome flare and great glide, the sabre2 is a little snappier, still has a great flare and is fun to fly as well. the pilot has awesome openings and feels great to fly. i dont think you can really go wrong with either of those canopies"its just a normal day at the dropzone until its not" 1653 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
