FliegendeWolf 0 #1 July 30, 2003 Washington Post via the Associated Press President Bush said Wednesday he has government lawyers working on a law that would define marriage as a union between a woman and a man, casting aside calls to legalize gay marriages. "I believe marriage is between a man and a woman and I believe we ought to codify that one way or the other and we have lawyers looking at the best way to do that," the president said a wide-ranging news conference at the White House Rose Garden. Bush also urged, however, that America remain a "welcoming country" -- not polarized on the issue of homosexuality. "I am mindful that we're all sinners and I caution those who may try to take a speck out of the neighbor's eye when they got a log in their own," the president said. "I think it is important for our society to respect each individual, to welcome those with good hearts." "On the other hand, that does not mean that someone like me needs to compromise on the issue of marriage," he added. Bush has long opposed gay marriage but as recently as earlier this month had said that a constitutional ban on gay marriage proposed in the House might not be needed despite a Supreme Court decision that some conservatives think opens the door to legalizing same-sex marriages. The Supreme Court struck down a Texas law that made homosexual sex a crime, overturning an earlier ruling that said states could punish homosexuals for having sex. Conservative Justice Antonin Scalia fired off a blistering dissent of the ruling. The "opinion dismantles the structure of constitutional law that has permitted a distinction to be made between heterosexual and homosexual unions, insofar as formal recognition in marriage is concerned," Scalia wrote. The ruling specifically said that the court was not addressing that issue, but Scalia warned, "Do not believe it." Rep. Marilyn Musgrave, R-Colo., is the main sponsor of the proposal offered May 21 to amend the Constitution. It was referred on June 25 to the House Judiciary subcommittee on the Constitution. To be added to the Constitution, the proposal must be approved by two-thirds of the House and the Senate and ratified by three-fourths of the states.A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Push 0 #2 July 30, 2003 sigh -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DYEVOUT 0 #3 July 30, 2003 There sure seems to be a rash of threads lately related to homos. What gives? ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #4 July 30, 2003 This crap really disturbs me: QuoteRegarded as a man of deep religious conviction who starts Cabinet meetings with a prayer, openly embraces faith in his speeches, reads the Bible daily and occasionally prays in the Oval Office, Bush said he believed marriage was between a man and a woman, casting aside calls for gay unions. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&ncid=578&e=5&u=/nm/20030730/ts_nm/bush_homosexuals_dc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 29 #5 July 30, 2003 all the marriage stuff has its roots in religion. unfortunately religious beliefs are still mixed up with society issues. even more unfortunately that's not only a problem in non-christian countries but all over the world. where religion & the legislative powers unite shit is due to happen i guess all these guys forget one fundamental thing: laws are manmade, they are not derived from god or any other spiritual entity and therefore they can be changed. edit 4 spelling - stillThe universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #6 July 30, 2003 Hoo-boy. Gay thread #472 - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kiltboy 0 #7 July 30, 2003 A quick 2 cents here but I'm not slamming anyone. If I think back to Catholic School a marriage outside the Catholic Church i.e. civil service registery office type of thing, would not be recognized by the Catholic church as a marriage. I understand that certain religions/churches will refuse to perform the service in their church but that is very much a case of a persons individual religious beliefs. Why then is religion getting in the way of a civil union that is taking place outside of any religious belief? David Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snowflake 0 #8 July 30, 2003 Let me say this about the subject.....THIS I feel better now that I got that out Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #9 July 30, 2003 QuoteWhy then is religion getting in the way of a civil union that is taking place outside of any religious belief? That's my confusion as well. If we truly have a separation of church and state, then there should be 2 choices: A) Marriage means nothing legally. -Not realistic because of the comingling of assets that occurs between married couples. B) Marriage should be treated as a contractual agreement between two parties for legal purposes. -Takes care of the whole marital assets thing, why is it so hard to keep any religious bias out of it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pleifer 0 #10 July 30, 2003 QuoteLet me say this about the subject.....THIS I feel better now that I got that out oh yea well blah, blah, blah'd'blah blah,. blahtthhhhhhhhbbbbbb!!! _________________________________________ The Angel of Duh has spoke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #11 July 30, 2003 1. prohibition of having any other gods before God; 2. prohibition of idolatry; 3. prohibition of the use of the name of God for vain purposes; 4. observance of the Sabbath; 5. honoring of one's father and mother; 6. prohibition of murder; 7. prohibition of adultery; 8. prohibition of stealing; 9. prohibition of giving false testimony; 10. prohibition of coveting the property or wife of one's neighbor. Ok, 1, no, 2, no, 3, no, 4, no, 5, no, 6, no, 7, no, 8, no, 9, no, 10, nope No, Nope, I just don't see it. There is no commandment involving same sex, or marriage. 9 is iffy though, well, if you are still in the closet that is...I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #12 July 30, 2003 Quote If I think back to Catholic School a marriage outside the Catholic Church i.e. civil service registery office type of thing, would not be recognized by the Catholic church as a marriage. I understand that certain religions/churches will refuse to perform the service in their church but that is very much a case of a persons individual religious beliefs. Why then is religion getting in the way of a civil union that is taking place outside of any religious belief? David two reasons...the catholic church wants the money that you gave to the "civil service registery office type of thing" and on the other hand...no I won't say it...want to, but won't....I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snowflake 0 #13 July 30, 2003 Quoteand on the other hand...no I won't say it...want to, but won't.... It sounds so terrible I must insist you"say it" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 29 #14 July 30, 2003 Quote1. prohibition of having any other gods before God; 2. prohibition of idolatry; 3. prohibition of the use of the name of God for vain purposes; 4. observance of the Sabbath; 5. honoring of one's father and mother; 6. prohibition of murder; 7. prohibition of adultery; 8. prohibition of stealing; 9. prohibition of giving false testimony; 10. prohibition of coveting the property or wife of one's neighbor. Ok, 1, no, 2, no, 3, no, 4, no, 5, no, 6, no, 7, no, 8, no, 9, no, 10, nope No, Nope, I just don't see it. There is no commandment involving same sex, or marriage. 9 is iffy though, well, if you are still in the closet that is... good point. pièce touché! but i didn't refer to the ten commandements which imho are more a philiosphical base or point of view on how a society should work. if you forget about the origins they could (and have in other words) developed anywhere on this planet. so far you don't have be be part of a religiuos community to live according to these "commandements". and if you boil them down even more it's all about respect which can't be given nor granted. it demands itself. the thought of a god being concerned what it's creatures doin their bedrooms is more than ridiculous. society should be way past this crapThe universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casie 0 #15 July 30, 2003 QuoteQuoteand on the other hand...no I won't say it...want to, but won't.... It sounds so terrible I must insist you"say it" You're bad.....you're very bad!~Porn Kitty WARNING: Goldschlager causes extreme emotional outbursts! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #16 July 30, 2003 Quote "I am mindful that we're all sinners and I caution those who may try to take a speck out of the neighbor's eye when they got a log in their own," the president said. "I think it is important for our society to respect each individual, to welcome those with good hearts." i have lots of other reasons to vote R vs D, but the more they spout this religious garbage the more i'm inclined to change simply on philosophical basis.. i am not as sinner..keep you christian concepts and morality the FUCK OUT OF MY LIFE AND MY GOVERNMENT!!____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kiltboy 0 #17 July 30, 2003 Quotethe thought of a god being concerned what it's creatures doin their bedrooms is more than ridiculous. society should be way past this crap Absolutely not true. I've seen the movies where she's screaming "Oh GOD Yes, Oh GOD, Oh GOD, Oh GOD Yes, Oh GOD" Not to you: but as for my catholic church reference above I was raised catholic so that's my point of reference for religion. And like all religious beliefs I think that they are between you and whatever you believe in. Hence I fail to see why what someone else believes is stopping a civil union outside of that belief structure. Am I making sense to anyone? David Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snowflake 0 #18 July 30, 2003 QuoteYou're bad.....you're very bad! Why thank you yes I am bad but when I'm bad I....I want to say it but I won't Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #19 July 30, 2003 Quote didn't refer to the ten commandements which imho are more a philiosphical base or point of view on how a society should work And if you want to really distill it further down to a philosophy of life, I think Jesus got it right. It' simply a matter of doing unto others as you would have done unto yourself. I want a blow job. Does that mean I.... Uh oh. - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casie 0 #20 July 30, 2003 QuoteQuoteYou're bad.....you're very bad! Why thank you yes I am bad but when I'm bad I....I want to say it but I won't Go ahead......say it. Say it! Say it! I can't handle this anymore................. Ya jumpin this weekend @ SSM?~Porn Kitty WARNING: Goldschlager causes extreme emotional outbursts! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #21 July 30, 2003 QuoteQuoteand on the other hand...no I won't say it...want to, but won't.... It sounds so terrible I must insist you"say it" If I do....I get a whooopin'... OK, I dood it... ...well sorta...think "Cardinal Law" Oh, to hell with it...they just don't want to unneccesarily tease their clergy.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 29 #22 July 30, 2003 Quote*** I want a blow job. Does that mean I.... Uh oh. maybe u should give it a try? (oh no - this will be another queer thread again!!! heteros go for shelter!)The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoby 0 #23 July 30, 2003 Why not just have a parallel civil union for homosexuals that is called something other than marriage. Then grant that union all the same rights as marriage. Then declare victory for all and go home. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #24 July 30, 2003 I remember once reading about a guy who remarked... "Well, at least I haven't made any graven images." "The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #25 July 30, 2003 QuoteWhy thank you yes I am bad but when I'm bad I....I want to say it but I won't If you won't say it, perhaps you'd rather show us Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
