SniperCJ 0 #101 June 12, 2003 Thank you, I'll pass that along to the other Southerners that we lost the Civil War. Lord knows we can barely dress ourselves in the morning much less read fancy 'ol history books. I'll just crawl back into my double-wide, get some good lovin' from Daddy and iron my rebel flag. *** Heeee, that made me laff! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laurel 0 #102 June 12, 2003 Viking - I too love to shoot guns and am pretty accurate, but I would probably be shaky if I was confronted with shooting a human being. It's too bad that this guy was gunned down, but it is also a travesty that so many cops get gunned down every year. I have a friend that was shot in the line of duty and another who lost his partner in the line of duty right next to him. The latter friend fired 5 shots into the bastard at close range and he lived. Stupid cockroach...................................................................... PMS#28, Pelogrande Rodriguez#1074 My Pink M Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking 0 #103 June 12, 2003 I will simply state that i don't agree with the officers decision. But i still have respect for what they and every other cop does every day...even if he is the one pulling me over.I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver My God has a bigger dick than your god -George Carlin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laurel 0 #104 June 12, 2003 I do what I can to get a snicker out of folks...................................................................... PMS#28, Pelogrande Rodriguez#1074 My Pink M Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #105 June 12, 2003 QuoteI will simply state that i don't agree with the officers decision. But i still have respect for what they and every other cop does every day...even if he is the one pulling me over. Did you watch the vid? Look at that picture I posted. If you saw that, would you shoot? I sure as hell would. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #106 June 12, 2003 QuoteWorst thing in comments here is people saying "he should be fired" for 5 seconds of observations on multiple subjects. There was one comment like that here in the posting on this subject. What's with that? I don't know. I don't think he should be fired. I think he should be tried for manslaughter at a minimum. 8 shots to someone's back do not equal a defensive maneuver. If I had shot this guy in this manner, would I be charged? You betcha, and so should he. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueEyedMonster 0 #107 June 12, 2003 It looks, some of you that arguing the "you can wound them," point again. Please ready my earlier post. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=519955#519955 Movie myth... People move when they are shot. WRONG. Physics 101 tells us: For every action there is an opposite and EQUAL reaction. The bullet will move the target no more than it moves the shooter. (probably less because it goes through the target) And I will second the accuracy reasoning for continuing to shoot. Last time I shot clays, I hit 30 of 30, I can hit a milk jug at 100 yds with a smooth barrelled 12ga (no scope). But when it came time for a police reserve qualification with a revolver, I barely passed. I watched some people completely miss the target from 8 feet away. Pistols are not easy... ESPECIALLY in a life/death situation. As for training... I am sure the LEO's would LOVE more and better training. But who is going to pay for it? And that link for the officers that were killed is actually: http://www.odmp.org/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #108 June 12, 2003 That's an easy decision for someone sitting behind a computer. The guy got shot because of HIS OWN ACTIONS. Charging cops with crimes over split second decisions just makes them hesitate more. And the hesitation could come while the officers are trying to protect you or your family. Cops who commit crimes NEED to go to jail to set an example. This guy would be just fine if he would have complied (even somewhat) with the officers commands. That my friend is no crime. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #109 June 12, 2003 QuoteQuote It is fairly obvious that this incident could have been handeled in a number of different ways, none of which would require multiple gun shots. Thats my observation of the Video. I disagree. Please enlighten me. What could the officers have done differently to solve the situation without further endangering their own lives? Let him keep walking? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SniperCJ 0 #110 June 12, 2003 QuoteYou know....there is a lot of surface area on a body to shoot. And, shooting someone in the back is pathetic. Shoot the person in the leg - they go down. Shoot 'em in the ass - again, they'll go down. Shooting 'em in the back - you should get shot. And, if their aim sucks - go get training on how to use the gun. THIS is the kind of statement made by people who have never been in a moving gunfight before (since there is no such thing as a STATIC gunfight). Gunfights are not the pull-your-pistol-shoot-one-round-the-bad-guy-drops affairs you see on TV. Its not as easy to get a one round hit (or any hit for that matter) during a moving, in the dark, people shooting at you gunfight. Its not as easy as Mel Gibson makes it look. Also, we're not trained to shoot people in the leg, shoot guns out of people's hands, or shoot to wound. We're trained to shhot for center mass, ie the torso. Front, back, side, whatever... JC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #111 June 12, 2003 QuoteThat's an easy decision for someone sitting behind a computer. The guy got shot because of HIS OWN ACTIONS. Yeah, failure to stop is a capital crime. What was he thinking? Quote Charging cops with crimes over split second decisions just makes them hesitate more. Measure twice, cut once. I have no problem with a little hesitation if it means they get it right more often. Quote And the hesitation could come while the officers are trying to protect you or your family. I doubt it. Having been the recipient of such "protection", in the future I'll pass. Quote Cops who commit crimes NEED to go to jail to set an example. I agree. Quote This guy would be just fine if he would have complied (even somewhat) with the officers commands. That my friend is no crime. He would have been just fine if *either* side had exercised a little better judgement. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robskydiv 0 #112 June 12, 2003 Initially, I tought the kid was trying suicide by getting the cops to do it for him. Then It appeared that he was trying to inimidate the cops like he thought he could really get away. Maybe he was high. Bottom line is, comply with the heat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #113 June 12, 2003 You said it right. How racist is it for her to say "the shooting was racist"? Just because the stupid guy was Black? I'd assume they'd shoot the 'hillbilly' in the same situation. I'd also thought the term 'hillbilly' was supposed to be biased. I guess that's ok to use the term since color is not involved. Oh the hypocrisy of the armchair quarterback. Wait, is sports terms also biased? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueEyedMonster 0 #114 June 12, 2003 QuoteQuoteQuote It is fairly obvious that this incident could have been handeled in a number of different ways, none of which would require multiple gun shots. Thats my observation of the Video. I disagree. Please enlighten me. What could the officers have done differently to solve the situation without further endangering their own lives? Let him keep walking? Wrong answer! A stipulation in the question was "without further endangering their own lives? (the LEO's)." This person has already turned and pointed an object at an officer that may be a gun. If you let him keep walking, he still has the object, is continuing to resist, and may turn and use it to kill an officer. Therefore, allowing the man to keep walking would further endanger the lives of the officer, or bystanders in the store that he is walking toward. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #115 June 12, 2003 Age - Good reply. So how did you vote? Justified but excessive? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #116 June 12, 2003 Never fired a handgun, huh? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #117 June 12, 2003 QuoteYeah, failure to stop is a capital crime. What was he thinking? No but pointing a weapon at a cop will get you shot. And if you point a weapon at a cop and then take it down and walk away and don't stop, that cop has to assume that you're a danger to society and NEED to be stopped NOW. Take a look at this picture, pretend you haven't heard anything about this yet, don't know anything about this incident or read these forums. Picture yourself as a cop confronting a suspect and looking at this. Now quick...in a millisecond, tell me what's happening in this picture. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Laurel 0 #118 June 12, 2003 By looking at that picture, I think I used to get Icees from that Circle K. ..................................................................... PMS#28, Pelogrande Rodriguez#1074 My Pink M Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #119 June 12, 2003 Charge? Sure. Convicted, no. People are tough, handguns are hard to shoot. Sympathetic fire is real. Only two cops on this web, they both are reasonable and speak to center of mass, hitting a moving target while you also are moving (with a short barrel). They say justified and I understand completely. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheRus 0 #120 June 12, 2003 Ok, I know that was probbaly NOT supposed to be funny but I can't help it... LMAO Sorry, that was probably out of line on several levels. Yeah, it's fine, we'll walk down the line. Leave our rain, a cold trade for warm sunshine You my friend, I will defend... and if we change, well, I love you anyway Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Laurel 0 #121 June 12, 2003 It wasnt mean't to be funny - but rereading it, I am now laughing. I'm such a dork. ..................................................................... PMS#28, Pelogrande Rodriguez#1074 My Pink M Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BlueEyedMonster 0 #122 June 12, 2003 Quote Yeah, failure to stop is a capital crime. What was he thinking? No but if you threaten the life of a Police officer, its legal for them to kill you. QuoteMeasure twice, cut once. I have no problem with a little hesitation if it means they get it right more often. I DO have a problem with hesitation. This is NOT SEWING. Hesitation costs officers/soldiers their lives. QuoteI doubt it. Having been the recipient of such "protection", in the future I'll pass. I wish they could, but they can't, Cops will always save your rear whether you deserve it or not. Quote Cops who commit crimes NEED to go to jail to set an example. I agree. Me Too. QuoteHe would have been just fine if *either* side had exercised a little better judgement. The cops did exercise the best judgment they could under the circumstances. And they are just fine. As for the young man that continuously exercised really really poor judgment... well he isn't. And what is it with you guys that are arguing that the cops are bad guys. Don't any of you understand what spell check is? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Perky77 0 #123 June 12, 2003 Bang, he is dead. and if the cop hesitates someone else is dead. I have many friends who are cops, if you choose to act agressivly toward authorities, be prepared to die, if you take all the power away from cops, how safe do you think this society we live in will be? imho "Sacrifice is a part of life. It is supposed to be. It's not something you regret . It's something to aspire to." Mitch Albom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #124 June 12, 2003 QuoteQuoteYeah, failure to stop is a capital crime. What was he thinking? No but pointing a weapon at a cop will get you shot. And if you point a weapon at a cop and then take it down and walk away and don't stop, that cop has to assume that you're a danger to society and NEED to be stopped NOW. So IF the suspect had a weapon and he's shown he's hesitant to use it, the proper response is to use your's? Quote Take a look at this picture, pretend you haven't heard anything about this yet, don't know anything about this incident or read these forums. Picture yourself as a cop confronting a suspect and looking at this. Now quick...in a millisecond, tell me what's happening in this picture. The officers didn't arrive at their conclusions based on a single frozen instant so why should I? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites LouDiamond 1 #125 June 12, 2003 QuoteTake a look at this picture, pretend you haven't heard anything about this yet, don't know anything about this incident or read these forums. Picture yourself as a cop confronting a suspect and looking at this. Now quick...in a millisecond, tell me what's happening in this picture. I've seen plenty of handguns in my line of work and I can tell you just from that picture, it appears that he has a handgun of somesort in his hand. Having actually shot people before I can also attest to the fact that they don't always stop, fall down, jerk back or do any of the other things you might have seen in the movies. Much in the same way a deer can run away after being shot, humans have the tendancy to exhibit similar reactions. Shooting while your moving and the target is moving is very difficult and even more so iin a low light situation. Add on top of that the fact that LEOs have to consider their back stop on all shots and where that bullet is potentially going after it hits the target ,misses or goes through the target. We are talking split seconds here to make very difficult decissions in a less than ideal setting. 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rehmwa 2 #115 June 12, 2003 Age - Good reply. So how did you vote? Justified but excessive? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #116 June 12, 2003 Never fired a handgun, huh? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #117 June 12, 2003 QuoteYeah, failure to stop is a capital crime. What was he thinking? No but pointing a weapon at a cop will get you shot. And if you point a weapon at a cop and then take it down and walk away and don't stop, that cop has to assume that you're a danger to society and NEED to be stopped NOW. Take a look at this picture, pretend you haven't heard anything about this yet, don't know anything about this incident or read these forums. Picture yourself as a cop confronting a suspect and looking at this. Now quick...in a millisecond, tell me what's happening in this picture. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laurel 0 #118 June 12, 2003 By looking at that picture, I think I used to get Icees from that Circle K. ..................................................................... PMS#28, Pelogrande Rodriguez#1074 My Pink M Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #119 June 12, 2003 Charge? Sure. Convicted, no. People are tough, handguns are hard to shoot. Sympathetic fire is real. Only two cops on this web, they both are reasonable and speak to center of mass, hitting a moving target while you also are moving (with a short barrel). They say justified and I understand completely. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheRus 0 #120 June 12, 2003 Ok, I know that was probbaly NOT supposed to be funny but I can't help it... LMAO Sorry, that was probably out of line on several levels. Yeah, it's fine, we'll walk down the line. Leave our rain, a cold trade for warm sunshine You my friend, I will defend... and if we change, well, I love you anyway Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laurel 0 #121 June 12, 2003 It wasnt mean't to be funny - but rereading it, I am now laughing. I'm such a dork. ..................................................................... PMS#28, Pelogrande Rodriguez#1074 My Pink M Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueEyedMonster 0 #122 June 12, 2003 Quote Yeah, failure to stop is a capital crime. What was he thinking? No but if you threaten the life of a Police officer, its legal for them to kill you. QuoteMeasure twice, cut once. I have no problem with a little hesitation if it means they get it right more often. I DO have a problem with hesitation. This is NOT SEWING. Hesitation costs officers/soldiers their lives. QuoteI doubt it. Having been the recipient of such "protection", in the future I'll pass. I wish they could, but they can't, Cops will always save your rear whether you deserve it or not. Quote Cops who commit crimes NEED to go to jail to set an example. I agree. Me Too. QuoteHe would have been just fine if *either* side had exercised a little better judgement. The cops did exercise the best judgment they could under the circumstances. And they are just fine. As for the young man that continuously exercised really really poor judgment... well he isn't. And what is it with you guys that are arguing that the cops are bad guys. Don't any of you understand what spell check is? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perky77 0 #123 June 12, 2003 Bang, he is dead. and if the cop hesitates someone else is dead. I have many friends who are cops, if you choose to act agressivly toward authorities, be prepared to die, if you take all the power away from cops, how safe do you think this society we live in will be? imho "Sacrifice is a part of life. It is supposed to be. It's not something you regret . It's something to aspire to." Mitch Albom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #124 June 12, 2003 QuoteQuoteYeah, failure to stop is a capital crime. What was he thinking? No but pointing a weapon at a cop will get you shot. And if you point a weapon at a cop and then take it down and walk away and don't stop, that cop has to assume that you're a danger to society and NEED to be stopped NOW. So IF the suspect had a weapon and he's shown he's hesitant to use it, the proper response is to use your's? Quote Take a look at this picture, pretend you haven't heard anything about this yet, don't know anything about this incident or read these forums. Picture yourself as a cop confronting a suspect and looking at this. Now quick...in a millisecond, tell me what's happening in this picture. The officers didn't arrive at their conclusions based on a single frozen instant so why should I? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #125 June 12, 2003 QuoteTake a look at this picture, pretend you haven't heard anything about this yet, don't know anything about this incident or read these forums. Picture yourself as a cop confronting a suspect and looking at this. Now quick...in a millisecond, tell me what's happening in this picture. I've seen plenty of handguns in my line of work and I can tell you just from that picture, it appears that he has a handgun of somesort in his hand. Having actually shot people before I can also attest to the fact that they don't always stop, fall down, jerk back or do any of the other things you might have seen in the movies. Much in the same way a deer can run away after being shot, humans have the tendancy to exhibit similar reactions. Shooting while your moving and the target is moving is very difficult and even more so iin a low light situation. Add on top of that the fact that LEOs have to consider their back stop on all shots and where that bullet is potentially going after it hits the target ,misses or goes through the target. We are talking split seconds here to make very difficult decissions in a less than ideal setting. It's easy to pick it apart when you have stills to examine at your leisure and your detached from the heat of the moment."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
