juanesky 0 #201 June 24, 2003 Oh yea, and I bet you would be also expecting world peace right? Oh no, be civil, never mind the possible cellphone gun, and that is night, and that the dumb ass did not stop, like he is supposed to, and that we are watching this from home very comfortably..... Yes less commend this guy, for wearing a drug dealer outfit, evading the police at night, and also incurring a defiant pose after all this occured, yeah, sure what to expect...police take note, that people are nice and they do not mean bad thing to happen, specially if you are a drug dealer evading the law..."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #202 June 24, 2003 Quote Saywhat you will, if this case were not such an egregious and obvious violation of police norms this video wouldnot have gotten the hype that it has. All across America people are saying..."well, of COURSE it happned in Louisiana, what did you EXPECT from people down there?" because they realize how out of step this kind of action is with the norms of their OWN police departments.....an enlightened force could use non lethal methods such as spray, foam or even rubber bullets to subdue a "perceived" threat, but in the good ol' South where niggers are only fit to be hung from trees this is the only kind of justice they see fit to meet out, period. Enlightenment means: 1) Cops should die and their families suffer protecting your freedoms instead of criminals posing a clear threat to them 2) Movies are really how it is 3) The media never sensationalizes 4) Racial leaders never stir up shit for their own self-agrandizement Being shot twice in the arm did NOTHING. What the hell is foam going to do? Or a rubber bullet? Good boy Lou! -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #203 June 24, 2003 Quote u gotta jump in with a bull shit remark liek that. She wasn't saying she hated America ya bint, or else i reckon shed of done left by now. Useless prat. Well I have been "in" this debate since it pretty much began(go back and check) Since everyone here is entitled to their own opinion your free to think it's a Bullshit remark. But I'd wager 3/4 of the people who have posted to this thread would say that Sadsue's remarks (and yours)are bullshit too. So 6 in one hand, half a dozen in the other my friend. Since I don't know off the top of my head what a bint or prat is I will give you the benifit of the doubt since personal attacks aren't allowed in the forums. If you care to share their meaning with me, I'd be interested to know what they mean. Sadsue, you can state your opinion all you want, it's your right(even in Louisana) but the more you post in such a maniacal manner the more you come off as half baked. I will give you this though, I am sure there are a lot of people laughing their asses off in front of their monitors when they read your posts. So keep on keeping on with the caffine or not taking the meds, it makes for interesting reading."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SadSue 0 #204 June 24, 2003 Well I don't need to be backed up by a bunch of close minded losers, like i said in my previous posts, I'm very happy to stand my ground, with nobody backing me up. I'm stating my veiws on this and I will continue to do so... regardless of the opposition. This was a racial attack!!!! If it was 3 black cops gunning down a white man.... even if he did as some idiot said earlier... "look like a drug dealer" this forum would have very different views. This was extreme force without justified cause. Hope you don't get Banned! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #205 June 24, 2003 SadisticSue, is it better for a cop to die or a criminal? (If one must die.) -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SadSue 0 #206 June 24, 2003 Oh and Lou... Any adult who can think for themselves... would not proudly post something like this. ------------------------------------------------------------ I am sure there are a lot of people laughing their asses off in front of their monitors when they read your posts. So keep on keeping on with the caffine or not taking the meds, it makes for interesting reading. ------------------------------------------------------------ That tells me one thing, you are posting on this subject to gain approval from your peers. That about sums it all up! Hope you don't get Banned! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SadSue 0 #207 June 24, 2003 Listen Jib... There are good cops and bad cops.... If this is what these guys do on camera, I shudder to think what the do off camera. I just want to see the right thing done in these situations. And if the people we pay to do it, can't manage it... then the need to be removed! Hope you don't get Banned! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #208 June 24, 2003 C'mon Lou...Sue may be right. After all, she is from California where there is no police-related racist incidents. Remember, that is where the Los Angeles PD lives. They are role models for enlightened race relations, IIRC. I won't bring up that pesky Rodney King thingie. LA riots, Compton, Watts riots of the 60's...no history of racism in California, huh? See, she is aghast that people in Louisiana are committing racist atrocities against blacks. Perhaps in California, they haven't got that far yet, they had to lynch a few Asian immigrants after they stole all the land from the Latinos. You can't do everything at once. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #209 June 24, 2003 Quote Listen Jib... There are good cops and bad cops.... If this is what these guys do on camera, I shudder to think what the do off camera. I just want to see the right thing done in these situations. And if the people we pay to do it, can't manage it... then the need to be removed! We just disagree on what is a good cop or bad cop AND what the right thing is. I'd rather protect the police from a criminal at night, after a lengthy chase who is carrying something and refuses to comply after being shot twice, but that's just me and the rest of the minority around here. There were three cameras on the incident. Those cameras were there to protect both the police and the criminal. I wish I could find the footage of two purportedly racial shooting here in Florida. In one, the guy was trying to pull away from a cop on the ground and got shot in the head (no apparent weapon). The other involved a cop stuck in the door of a car as the criminal was trying to drive away. Both incidents were ruled justifiable use of force. What basis do you have to evaluate what a justifiable use of force is? What is "right?" It seems that the policy you would adopt would put cops at more risk; so, that's why I asked the question you elected not to answer. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigben 0 #210 June 24, 2003 Quote this video would not have gotten the Internet wide attention if had been routine; clearly this video is disturbing enough to have been isolated and released. The cold hard fact of the matter is follows: this would have NEVER happened in Seattel, San Francisco, or anywhere in Canada, i.e. anywhere where ENLIGHTENED law enforcement occurs. Well, I was in the pub, in North Beach, San Francisco. Actually, I was outside in the patio. Screech of tires, bang bang bang bang bang bang bang, unarmed man driving a car, shot in the head and torso by the police. Were they justified, I've no idea. But the point is, it happens everywhere, it's just that the media in the US is appalling. (not saying it's not appalling elsewhere). Since there wasn't any video, it didn't get airtime. -Ben Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #211 June 24, 2003 Matbe she is having a legal dosis of Cannabis, and think that running away from the police in the middle of the night, with your gansta fashion wearing clothes, is the right thing to do. It is so easy to blame everything on the race card, does not matter that the guy was portraying himself like a dangerous criminal, it is still those white men that killed that poor little defenseless black Boy....???"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thethinker 0 #212 June 24, 2003 Well louie boy, i don't really feel like going on a scavanger hunt to read your posts (no offense) and not most...but all people would agree that my posts are bull shit. Why...b/c thats wut i go for. Just because I insulted you however doesn't mean you have to go on insulting sue. It seems quite logical that one would start throwing insults such as "back to the medication" or "your posts are entertaining" b/c shes getting to you. Ill leave it to you to find the definition of a bint and a prat. Seeing as you have so many little buddies that want to hold your hand...ask one im sure theyll know. And again, opinions are like assholes everybodys got one. As far as personal attacks, u can tell on me...if i get kicked off the forum, i can take it. Its just u lot and your interesting ways intrigue me so i come back for more! cheers We do not have to visit a madhouse to find disordered minds; our planet is the mental institution of the universe. -Johann von Goethe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #213 June 24, 2003 Well, if you are coming from Hollywood idiotland, where day dreaming is possible about a peaceful solution to terrorist states, yes, you are definitely beyond baking....."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SadSue 0 #214 June 24, 2003 Interesting Ben, Im not aware of such an incident, but I doubt highly if it went un challenged. its true it happens everywhere but the issue we're addressing is what was a reasonable amount of force to use in this situation. I've stated how I feel in no uncertain terms. The point I was trying to make about Northern Cali, which may not be clear, is that the people here are diverse, well educated and very active in politics. There is a definate attempt being made here to address the issues of police brutality. NO, it won't happen over night, but it's less unlikey to happen in this region because the general public will not stand for it or let it go unchecked. This one should not be a open shut case. but if the public let it, then it will be. Hope you don't get Banned! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #215 June 24, 2003 Sure but for that violence you get to go to those fancy hooligan sovver games, that make up for all of the violence..."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SadSue 0 #216 June 24, 2003 Thank you very much Thinker! Hope you don't get Banned! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SadSue 0 #217 June 24, 2003 All i can say to you is try to learn something from this. You obviously have lived a sheltered life! Hope you don't get Banned! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueEyedMonster 0 #218 June 24, 2003 SadSue! You have been arguing without me... I feel so hurt But, my post requested facts from you. I have yet to see any. Just more opinion, insults and a suggestion that you should use a non-lethal defense against a LETHAL threat. You also stated that this was a racially motivated shooting. Again, please provide defendable evidence and facts to back up your accusations. Your point would be received a little better if you debated with facts. And quite honestly, IMHO, the reason the tapes were released was not public pressure, but rather the police dept knew the officers were correct. If the police officers were guilty of the offense you accuse them of, do you really think the tapes from the police cars would have made it to the press? They would probably still be locked up in some evidence locker. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #219 June 24, 2003 Quote You also stated that this was a racially motivated shooting. Again, please provide defendable evidence and facts to back up your accusations. Your point would be received a little better if you debated with facts. And quite honestly, IMHO, the reason the tapes were released was not public pressure, but rather the police dept knew the officers were correct. If the police officers were guilty of the offense you accuse them of, do you really think the tapes from the police cars would have made it to the press? They would probably still be locked up invsome evidence locker. I would say this about the impression I get from this person....SHe is not able to say anything that is based on facts but rather on feelings, I have seen that most of the most qualified people have stated that this shooting was justified, even a legal process due, that was applied, investigated and sanctioned as justifieable. Never mind this facts have come from due process, people with "CURRENT" experience in the police, military etc (By the way, even those accusing me to live a sheltered life, I'm an active member of the armed forces, and have had to work very hard for my possesions), there are people that eventhough have rights, they prefer to base many facts to what they feel.... I think that playing the race card is an obtuse easy way out kind of ordeal, and if you tell me that this world is not becoming more dangerous day by day, starting with all those criminals who cry when the victims rights are imposed over theirs, and ending up to terrorist that shelter themselves with innocent people (including their own), yes, it is allways someone elses fault....we have to be nice and ask, be prolife, we are the world, we are the children.... Wake up, people for democracy, freedom and rights, carries on with responsabilities, duties, and obligations we must follow. Being a good citizen is obeying all its laws, regardles of who you are or where you come from."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #220 June 24, 2003 Sue, What you need to do is grow up and realize that there are some bad people out there. If the police do not handle these people are you ready to? SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #221 June 24, 2003 Quote Listen Jib... There are good cops and bad cops.... If this is what these guys do on camera, I shudder to think what the do off camera. I just want to see the right thing done in these situations. And if the people we pay to do it, can't manage it... then the need to be removed! Sue, You won't know the right thing if it bit you on the ass. What kind of back ground and training to you have in handling a lethal force situation? SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snowflake 0 #222 June 24, 2003 Racially motivated I doubt it as in I don't think the cops were looking for a black person to shot. On the other hand, I ask myself would the same cops have used the same lethal force on a white person in the same situation? My awnser is I highly doubt it. Of course I can't be sure but those are my thoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #223 June 24, 2003 Assuming a shooting of an African-American man was not racially motivated, but you think it probably wouldn't have happened to your average white boy, do you think the same for a character like Eminem? Carlton from the Fresh Prince? Is there a socio-economic component to your feelings? Can't sleep and curious. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #224 June 24, 2003 It's quite obvious your are happy to stand your ground even when you have absolutely no facts to back up your opinions. Your previous assertion that 'enlightened' cops would not have reacted in a similar manner is ludicrous to the point of insanity. You have no factual basis or data with which to back that assertion up - especially with the vitriolic undertones of your postings. Knowing a few cops myself, I believe ALL of them would have reacted in the same manner. The three black cops shooting a white guy allusion you present is hilarious. I for one, and I'm sure BlueEyed et al feel the same way, wouldn't give a damn. I'd be glad the cops did their job. Unlike the bleeding heart liberals infesting San Fran, I neither judge anyone by thier race nor support any program that does. It seems to me that you are extremely prejudiced. You have never met any of the cops in this incident, probably don't even know their names (unless you look it up after reading this post), and in general know nothing about them other than their participation in the shooting, the state in which they live, and their color. Relying solely on the basis of their color and geographical location, you have made the assumption that they are unenlightened and inferred that they are racists. Because it is YOU that have made an inference based on the race of others, it is YOU that are racially prejudiced. QED. So much for NorCal 'enlightenment' - unless you consider being racially prejudiced a prerequisite trait for said enlightenment that is. I'm a Kentuckian myself transplanted out here to NorCal as a matter of fact, and believe your opinions to be in the MINORITY over here outside the confines of San Fran. As a Southerner, I find your prejudiced views quite disturbing and insulting. A few factoids that might perhaps cauterize the cuts bleeding your liberal heart: - poverty (moral or monetary) knows neither racial, ethnic, nor national boundaries - righteousness exists outside of SanFran - most southerners AREN'T racists and many of us are quite educated I'll stop there with the factoids. The steam of cauterization might suffocate you should I proceed further. I suggest you write a few letters - say to the cops in question, the governors of every state in the South, and letters to the editors of some major papers in the South, apologizing for your prejudice(racial and geographical), admit your ignorance of the facts, and promising to reform yourself. Racially insensitive, Southern, and damn proud of it, Vinny the Anvil Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #225 June 24, 2003 Vinny, I agree with a lot of your post. I just have to pick on one factor. Quote Unlike the bleeding heart liberals infesting San Fran Quote So much for NorCal 'enlightenment' - unless you consider being racially prejudiced a prerequisite trait for said enlightenment that is. Quote I find your prejudiced views quite disturbing and insulting Quote A few factoids that might perhaps cauterize the cuts bleeding your liberal heart It seems you are saying that prejudice is bad, unless it is against liberals. That is all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
