Malev 0 #1 July 21, 2003 I'm really surprised, and I must admit somewhat shocked, at the amount of xenophobia in this forum. Not for the first time, I find I'm wondering whether I really want to look at the DZ.com forums! Without dragging this particular thread into individual specifics, I am interested to know whether other people share this viewpoint, and if they think it is acceptable for the forums? If similar posts were made discriminating against people of a certain race then these would be be deleted - should we be asking greenies to remove xenophobic threads? Do the moderators have any thoughts on the issue? Personally, I think DZ.com should be somewhere where every skydiver can come, regardless of nationality, and not be offended or discriminated against. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JeffD 0 #2 July 21, 2003 I think that only this forum "Talk Back" has some racial/belief/ viewpoints. But after lurking on most of the other forums there is almost Never any sort of biasing towards one race or group. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BBKid 0 #3 July 21, 2003 Hey Tom, I agree with you 100%. The problem is that a lot of people don't see it as xenophobia, or even if they do recognise it, they don't see it as being a huge problem. There are some people who've tried to speak out against it, but they tend to get shouted down, or drawn into arguments about other topics (jokes about one nation turning into an argument about politics, and whether the complainant is unamerican or not, etc.). In my opinion you can't stop this sort of thing happening over the internet, it's just too easy to anonymously stir up an argument. If it's people you know face to face it's obvously easier to connect with them. Nick --------------------------- "I've pierced my foot on a spike!!!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #4 July 21, 2003 I don't know about that, but I know that I really hate white people. Ok, serious now. I've seen it rarely, but that's from a single poster at the time, with others denouncing him/her due to their hateful comments. Its not something that's tolerated.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueEyedMonster 0 #5 July 21, 2003 QuoteMain Entry: xe·no·pho·bia Pronunciation: "ze-n&-'fO-bE-&, "zE- Function: noun Etymology: New Latin Date: 1903 : fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign I don't think what you are talking about qualifies as xenohobia. I believe it is specific to one country/culture. And, as I linked in a previous thread, this has a factual foundation, and is a backlash to an overzealous enthno/linguistic-centric attitude on the part of the "victims." http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=577086#577086 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jceman 1 #6 July 21, 2003 There is little or no true xenophobia here on dropzone.com. Yes there are xenophobic threads and some real hard feelings resulting from the "heat of the moment" type things, but in reality, most of these posts are really along the lines of sibling rivalry. Skydivers tend to eat their young and have a lot of infighting but when the excrement impacts the rotational air movement device, we pull together in a manner that can take one's breath away. We are a large dysfunctional family; we have the odd eccentric aunt or uncle and we'll talk bad about her/him, but let someone outside of the family say what we say and they will learn something about solidarity. In other words, chill out and don't try to read too much into anything, especially on the Talk Back forum. Here humor and exaggeration are simply devices used to take the piss on one another. To summarize, fuck you if you can't take a joke! Faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, more money. Why do they call it "Tourist Season" if we can't shoot them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SadSue 0 #7 July 21, 2003 Well for the record Malev.... I for one, enjoy the strange ones LOL. The stranger the better. Perseverance pays off! XENOPHOBIA A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples. Hope you don't get Banned! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #8 July 21, 2003 QuoteI for one, enjoy the strange ones LOL. The stranger the better. Really? I hadn't noticed.... ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #9 July 21, 2003 Comments about Canadians don't count, do they? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SadSue 0 #10 July 21, 2003 Haha Sunny! Its not like theres a shortage of em.... is it Hope you don't get Banned! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #11 July 21, 2003 I'm so glad you posted that definition... b/c when I look at it, I have to conclude that I do not "suffer from" xenophobia. I neither hate NOR fear anyone or any nationality. It really irks me when someone accuses a person as being xenophobic just b/c they don't like a person or a race etc. Dislike is not = fear and hate. To me it's similar to the homosexuality debate. I don't agree w/ the homosexual lifestyle. But you know what? That doesn't make me homophobic, which is a label I hear FAR too often... I neither hate nor fear homosexuals. I've had an edifying chat w/ BlueEyedMonster and to me he is a genuine person who is very likeable and who happens to be gay. Big deal. That is such a cop out for people to attach those "phobia" labels instead of looking at real reasons for one person disliking another person or for disagreeing w/ another person. It is fallacious reasoning. (No, I didn't say fallatious!!! You pervert!) -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #12 July 21, 2003 oh sue-shi.... i'm neither fearful nor hateful of those beautiful women in your avatar... to gaze upon their lovely arses, oh it fulfills me! What I wouldn't give for a rump-shaker right up in me face. -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SadSue 0 #13 July 21, 2003 Careful what you wish for.. you delicate Flower!!! Hope you don't get Banned! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #14 July 21, 2003 lmao!!!! -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #15 July 21, 2003 QuoteCareful what you wish for.. I wish i had a Slim Jim right now. I'm in the mood for some processed meat product.... ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SadSue 0 #16 July 21, 2003 I hear sinker looks like a golf club when he turns sideways. God bless em. Hope you don't get Banned! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #17 July 21, 2003 only my driving head is not at the bottom of my shaft... no wait... um... shit. -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malev 0 #18 July 21, 2003 QuoteThere is little or no true xenophobia here on dropzone.com. Yes there are xenophobic threads and some real hard feelings resulting from the "heat of the moment" type things, but in reality, most of these posts are really along the lines of sibling rivalry. I have to disagree with that - I have seen some fairly nasty stuff posted against one particular nation lately; this being what prompted me to start the thread at all. There is a big difference between a light-hearted poke at an individual and continually posting anti-a-certain-nation posts. Thats where I see the difference between taking the piss and xenophobia. Humour is good, hatred is not... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #19 July 21, 2003 posting anti-a-certain-nation posts*** christ-on-crutches, just come out and say FRANCE. The FRENCH. Yes, they are disliked by some people. But you know, the feelings is mutual for a lot of french people too, n'est-ce pas? -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #20 July 21, 2003 That's not turely Xenophobia, though, that's something that has come about from the political climate of late AND from general attitudes between people in BOTH countries since the 1950s. For it to be Xenophobic, we'd have to say "we hate french people because their french people." When what's really going on is as a nation we're disgusted with their government and leadership.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #21 July 21, 2003 well put man. well put. -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malev 0 #22 July 21, 2003 Quotechrist-on-crutches, just come out and say FRANCE *Sigh* I've been very careful not to be drawn into specifics. I really was hoping we could have a sensible discussion about this, find out the opinion of the board and make it a happier place for everyone. I really didn't want this to be dragged into a discussion onto France or not, since all this does is cloud the underlying issue of hate. QuoteFor it to be Xenophobic, we'd have to say "we hate french people because their french people." I've seen those sentiments posted today in Talk Back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #23 July 21, 2003 QuoteI've seen that posted today in Talk Back. -- Yeah, no shit, its in YOUR thread. How about next time you want to quote me, use the entire quote, instead of trying to pull little pieces out so you could try to prove your point. Especially since the point I was making is opposite YOUR opinion.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazyfrog 0 #24 July 21, 2003 don't forget the forum is based in a country which hardly has a knowledge of other countries... despite their multi-ethnic origins... ---------- Fumer tue, péter pue ------------- ourson #10, Mosquito Uno, CBT 579 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #25 July 21, 2003 *sigh* too. I'm not falling into a conversation of why I dislike certain french people or their govt. etc. All I'm saying is that, for me and perhaps many others, this isn't an issue of Xenophobia. But still, you have a point and many of us have been insensitive to the feelings of others. At the same time however, I tend to take alot of stuff here w/ a grain of salt. communication on the web is very difficult to understand sometimes and I'd rather not take every post as seriously as it may sound. Now, I'm not always successful at doing this, but it is worth trying... -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
