SkyDekker 1,465 #76 June 10, 2003 QuoteYou had better hope you are right. To me this has always been the ultimate "fear-mongrin (sp?)" statement used by christian churches. Maybe there is no god, but do you really want to spend eternity in hell to find out. Funny enough, it is the same statement that has always driven me away from religion. Any system based on fear to keep the faith is fundamentally flawed in my eyes. Edited to add: I do regard religion as one of the ultimate marketing and sales campaigns in human history. People have shelled out trillions and trillions of dollars to be "saved" and no one will ever be able to give any after-sales feedback. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #77 June 10, 2003 QuoteYour believing it does not make it so. It is Gods word whether I believe it or not. It is so. Agree to disagree. Free will brother. Mine will take me somewhere and so will yours. I'm done in here. It was fun Rhino signing out of this thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #78 June 10, 2003 QuoteProof to you might not be proof to me my friend. Proof has brought me to faith. God doesn't have to prove himself to me but he has. On many occasions. Those occasions were between him and I. Isn't Proof that skydiving movie that David Reynolds made when he was at UCLA and was the foundation for the movie Fandango? Sorry guys, I'm just trying to lighten up the discussion, since I helped turn it the other way. JudyBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sebazz1 2 #79 June 10, 2003 I thank dog daily for not poopin in my yard... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #80 June 10, 2003 QuoteI thank dog daily for not poopin in my yard... I don't believe in dog either, despite that furry thing trying to hump my leg. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #81 June 10, 2003 QuoteI thank dog daily for not poopin in my yard... I wish I could, there's this stray dog, cute as a button, but is always walking on our patio with muddy feet and she took one of my husbands shoes, and she poops in the yard. She's not skinny, in fact, she is looking pretty healthy for a stray. I live in the country and they handle strays the "texas" way out here, so I just tell her to move along. She did kill a rat or mole or something the other day.Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sebazz1 2 #82 June 10, 2003 But do you have faith in the Beer Gods?? That we may all agree upon! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #83 June 10, 2003 QuoteBut do you have faith in the Beer Gods?? Nope. I'm in charge of my own life. I homebrew. God didn't make the 30 gallons of beer in my house. I did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #84 June 10, 2003 QuoteDo you think God feels the NEED to prove himself to you? No. Part of the reward for having faith and being saved is spending eternity with him in heaven. So what happens to the 5 year old girl who is raped and tortured and then killed? She *gets* to spend eternity with someone who could have prevented those horrors in the last waning moments of her life but chose not to? Or she *has* to? Of course I'm assuming you accept that there is some age of innocence below which children are admitted to heaven without being saved. Otherwise, you'd be saying that your god would allow travesties like that as simple foreplay before an eternal sentence in hell. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FliegendeWolf 0 #85 June 10, 2003 QuoteAny system based on fear to keep the faith is fundamentally flawed in my eyes. Which is how GWB has been running the show since 9/11, I might add.A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #86 June 10, 2003 Not replying to you, Dave...I just couldn't find where this was said... QuoteDo you think God feels the NEED to prove himself to you? No. Part of the reward for having faith and being saved is spending eternity with him in heaven. If the god that exists is what many people believe him/her to be, then yes, they would need to prove themselves. Many people believe that "God" put us here for some great reason...that we actually have a purpose to be here. If God is putting us here for some reason that they won't tell us about, then the least they could do is prove themselves. This is somewhat of the reason I can't buy just one "God." I know that humans are no better than the rat in my backyard. We destroy the planet, we are selfish and greedy, we cause drama, we hurt other living things...we're pretty crappy. If God put some being here for some purpose, why would he have chosen us? That would seem silly. They should've picked something better than us. I am pretty convinced we have no real purpose in life. So, back to your question, if any of my good fortune has been due to some higher power, then I will thank them when I find out. Until then, I'm inclined to believe that the results I've had have mostly been due to my actions. While I believe in some other working force that we can't prove out there, I doubt it could care less about my doings. I'm not that special.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alias 0 #87 June 10, 2003 A person WITH faith will ALWAYS be stronger then the person WITHOUT! Just one more edge for that person.....IMHO And by the way folks...it's all about faith, nothing more or less. God Bless America! In God ( I ) trust Thanks Rhino! Nice post 3...2...1......CYA! Carpe Diem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #88 June 10, 2003 Between this and Billvon.....I think we have the religion and politics covered for today. Now...how about boobies and beer? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MattM 0 #89 June 10, 2003 QuoteSince there is nothing that tells me God exists in the first place, I have no reason to have faith. Ok cool... but one day something might tell you that he does exsist although it might not be evident to you now. Things change.... Matt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #90 June 10, 2003 QuoteBetween this and Billvon.....I think we have the religion and politics covered for today. Now...how about boobies and beer? and don't forget about my stray dog. She's all black with a little white on her chest. Not real big, not real small. Will kill (or at least play then kill) small rodents. Any takers?Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schroeder 0 #91 June 10, 2003 QuoteA person WITH faith will ALWAYS be stronger then the person WITHOUT! Evil Will ALWAYS beat GOOD. Because GOOD is DUMB. (Spaceballs people!....) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #92 June 10, 2003 QuoteNow...how about boobies and beer? "God didn't make the 30 gallons of beer in my house. I did." I already started on the beer part. And if anything comes close to making me believe in a God, it is a nice pair of boobies. There. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FliegendeWolf 0 #93 June 10, 2003 God didn't put breast implants in Anna Nicole Smith, her plastic surgeon did!A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mad47 0 #94 June 10, 2003 I always say a litlle prayer for safety of everybody on load when the plane takes off. Thank you God Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blondeflyer7 0 #95 June 10, 2003 QuoteJust wanted to thank God publicly for all the great things happening in my life and all the great things to come. Thank you God Everyday I wake up I thank him Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #96 June 10, 2003 QuoteNot replying to you, Dave...I just couldn't find where this was said... QuoteDo you think God feels the NEED to prove himself to you? No. Part of the reward for having faith and being saved is spending eternity with him in heaven. It was back a couple pages, buried in one of Rhino's posts. Quote So, back to your question, if any of my good fortune has been due to some higher power, then I will thank them when I find out. Until then, I'm inclined to believe that the results I've had have mostly been due to my actions. While I believe in some other working force that we can't prove out there, I doubt it could care less about my doings. I'm not that special. Well you may or may not be special ;-), but I agree that you and some degree of random (good and bad) luck make most of the good and the bad things that happen in your life. Similarly, I also have no reason to believe that humans are the top of the food chain and believe there probably are some higher life forms. However, I suspect they regard me with about the same consideration as I give amoebae and fungi and I doubt that I'm any more capable of understanding them than the organisms inside my body are capable of comprehending me. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites misskriss 0 #97 June 10, 2003 In reply to no one really..... My problem with mainstream religion is the same as others. People who preach to you about the Bible and if you don't take steps a, b and c then you aren't getting into Heaven and then they go and do other things the Bible says not to. Hypocrites.. people who pick and choose parts of the Bible to prove whatever point of view it is they want to prove. You better be saved young man, but excuse me while I go covet my neighbors wife.. if you get my drift. There are so many religions in the world, to say that one is right over another is ridiculus. To say that all Jews will go to hell for not being saved, etc, etc..to say that all Muslims will go to hell for not believing in Christ , etc. etc. I believe that there is something and it's called Love. YOu may call it by any other name (God, Allah, etc.) Love is within us all.....do I believe that there is more after I die....absolutely. Is it because I really believe there is or just want to believe it....I don't know. But then again.....I'm happy with that.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jfields 0 #98 June 10, 2003 QuoteGod didn't put breast implants in Anna Nicole Smith, her plastic surgeon did! Natural is nice, so she is obviously disqualified. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GeorgeOrwell 0 #99 June 10, 2003 I read the post and just want to THANK YOU GOD .-------------------------------------------------- If your not jumping your not living LEARN TO LIVE (L2L) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crapflinger2000 1 #100 June 10, 2003 I object to this post on the constitutional right of "Freedom FROM Religion". OK, before anyone gets all uptight, I am making a point. I am a total atheist. However, I am noting a disturbing trend in the US today to confuse "Freedom OF religion," which we are guaranteed in the constitution, with "freedom FROM." I find all the ridiculous lawsuits concerning pledge of allegiance and all that crap to be a waste of time. People need to friggin relax. As an athiest, I do not find it at all disturbing that I have little things that say "in god we trust" in my pockets. BFD. people in the news objecting to 2 minutes of prayer time in schools at the start of the day... get a life. if you don't believe in god, buddha, or whatever, just study or think about having sex... stop wasting the courts time.... OK, not sure where that rant came from.... mainly from my belief that most people are stupid I guess... __________________________________________________ What would Vic Mackey do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Next Page 4 of 14 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
livendive 8 #96 June 10, 2003 QuoteNot replying to you, Dave...I just couldn't find where this was said... QuoteDo you think God feels the NEED to prove himself to you? No. Part of the reward for having faith and being saved is spending eternity with him in heaven. It was back a couple pages, buried in one of Rhino's posts. Quote So, back to your question, if any of my good fortune has been due to some higher power, then I will thank them when I find out. Until then, I'm inclined to believe that the results I've had have mostly been due to my actions. While I believe in some other working force that we can't prove out there, I doubt it could care less about my doings. I'm not that special. Well you may or may not be special ;-), but I agree that you and some degree of random (good and bad) luck make most of the good and the bad things that happen in your life. Similarly, I also have no reason to believe that humans are the top of the food chain and believe there probably are some higher life forms. However, I suspect they regard me with about the same consideration as I give amoebae and fungi and I doubt that I'm any more capable of understanding them than the organisms inside my body are capable of comprehending me. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
misskriss 0 #97 June 10, 2003 In reply to no one really..... My problem with mainstream religion is the same as others. People who preach to you about the Bible and if you don't take steps a, b and c then you aren't getting into Heaven and then they go and do other things the Bible says not to. Hypocrites.. people who pick and choose parts of the Bible to prove whatever point of view it is they want to prove. You better be saved young man, but excuse me while I go covet my neighbors wife.. if you get my drift. There are so many religions in the world, to say that one is right over another is ridiculus. To say that all Jews will go to hell for not being saved, etc, etc..to say that all Muslims will go to hell for not believing in Christ , etc. etc. I believe that there is something and it's called Love. YOu may call it by any other name (God, Allah, etc.) Love is within us all.....do I believe that there is more after I die....absolutely. Is it because I really believe there is or just want to believe it....I don't know. But then again.....I'm happy with that.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #98 June 10, 2003 QuoteGod didn't put breast implants in Anna Nicole Smith, her plastic surgeon did! Natural is nice, so she is obviously disqualified. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GeorgeOrwell 0 #99 June 10, 2003 I read the post and just want to THANK YOU GOD .-------------------------------------------------- If your not jumping your not living LEARN TO LIVE (L2L) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crapflinger2000 1 #100 June 10, 2003 I object to this post on the constitutional right of "Freedom FROM Religion". OK, before anyone gets all uptight, I am making a point. I am a total atheist. However, I am noting a disturbing trend in the US today to confuse "Freedom OF religion," which we are guaranteed in the constitution, with "freedom FROM." I find all the ridiculous lawsuits concerning pledge of allegiance and all that crap to be a waste of time. People need to friggin relax. As an athiest, I do not find it at all disturbing that I have little things that say "in god we trust" in my pockets. BFD. people in the news objecting to 2 minutes of prayer time in schools at the start of the day... get a life. if you don't believe in god, buddha, or whatever, just study or think about having sex... stop wasting the courts time.... OK, not sure where that rant came from.... mainly from my belief that most people are stupid I guess... __________________________________________________ What would Vic Mackey do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Next Page 4 of 14 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
GeorgeOrwell 0 #99 June 10, 2003 I read the post and just want to THANK YOU GOD .-------------------------------------------------- If your not jumping your not living LEARN TO LIVE (L2L) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crapflinger2000 1 #100 June 10, 2003 I object to this post on the constitutional right of "Freedom FROM Religion". OK, before anyone gets all uptight, I am making a point. I am a total atheist. However, I am noting a disturbing trend in the US today to confuse "Freedom OF religion," which we are guaranteed in the constitution, with "freedom FROM." I find all the ridiculous lawsuits concerning pledge of allegiance and all that crap to be a waste of time. People need to friggin relax. As an athiest, I do not find it at all disturbing that I have little things that say "in god we trust" in my pockets. BFD. people in the news objecting to 2 minutes of prayer time in schools at the start of the day... get a life. if you don't believe in god, buddha, or whatever, just study or think about having sex... stop wasting the courts time.... OK, not sure where that rant came from.... mainly from my belief that most people are stupid I guess... __________________________________________________ What would Vic Mackey do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
