CloudOnMyTongue 0 #26 July 6, 2003 Okay I'm not saying this to be a shit disturber... But I hear (I have no proof, I'm just supposing) that some skydivers commit sucide skydiving. Could this be a similar case? Maybe he sabotaged his rig to make it look like murder so his family could get the life insurance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #28 July 6, 2003 QuoteOkay I'm not saying this to be a shit disturber... But I hear (I have no proof, I'm just supposing) that some skydivers commit sucide skydiving. Could this be a similar case? Maybe he sabotaged his rig to make it look like murder so his family could get the life insurance. never even thought about it that way... but why go through all that trouble, and make the police question his friends, when he could have just as easily packed a baglock, then folded his reserve handle under his arm, so it looked all accidental? MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydive84 0 #29 July 6, 2003 While it is obviously a possibility steve was acting completely normally before the jump, on the plane and on the dive. I dont think this was the case. I was back jumping today. Looking at a rig of the same make made me think just how quickly it could have been done. This is fuckin scary. Everyone be safe and look after each other. BSBD Adi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vt1977 0 #30 July 7, 2003 What can you say? The whole thing makes my blood run cold. The thought that another skydiver (and let’s face it, it has to be a skydiver) could do something that awful just makes me want to be sick. I guess until the police get to the bottom of it we’re all going to have to be extra careful – I for one will be purchasing a padlock for my rig bag today. It’s something that we shouldn’t have to do but it seems that there is a sick psycho out there. Whoever did this had better pray that the police find them before the skydivers do. Sincere condolences to Steve’s family and friends. I knew him to chat to and he was always a thoroughly nice, fun, friendly guy. Vicki Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cptfunky 0 #31 July 7, 2003 Quote Whoever did this had better pray that the police find them before the skydivers do. absolutly right! I'm new in this sport but when i read the posts here, i have the impression that only very few people lock away their rig on the DZ when they don't use it. I can't understand this at all! Nobody's allowed to touch my rig, except me, my jumpmaster and and my rigger. And when it is not in use, it's locked in a storeroom or in my car. TRUST NO ONE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vt1977 0 #32 July 7, 2003 QuoteTRUST NO ONE It's very, very sad but at the moment I think we all have to be extra vigilant. I'm wondering what changes others are going to be making to what they do with their rigs between jumps? Personally I will be getting a padlock for my rig bag if I keep it in the packing hall between jumps and making sure it goes home with me EVERY evening. Vicki Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #33 July 7, 2003 When it gets to the stage that I absolutely HAVE to lock my shit up to prevent murder attempts, I'm going to quit.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cptfunky 0 #34 July 7, 2003 of course this is very sad, but i'm sure you also experienced that you sometimes can't even trust your socalled "friends". So why take the risk and trust strangers? I'd also like to live in a world without paranoia but if this is not possible i'd like to survive at least. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #35 July 7, 2003 my depest condolerans and symperty to all involved. LET THE HUNT BEGIN!!! Watch out you sick bastard,i will come to UK soon,if i get you,you will be the lucky one and i will end in jail...In better words,your DEAD Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BBKid 0 #36 July 7, 2003 Damn straight my friend! I'm not a violent person by nature, but if I caught this guy I would drive him straight to the police. Of course, he might have "fallen over" one or two times on the way. When I heard on Friday that someone had gone in at Hib I just thought about what a bad year this had been already for the sport, but this is something that just makes my blood boil. Add in the fact that Simon Ward was quite badly hurt in a collision on Sunday, and this just makes for a weekend I want to forget. My condolencies to the families and friends of all involved. Let's all learn from this and make sure it never happens again. Edit: There seems to be some confusion about how badly hurt Simon is, so I've edited the post until what I heard is confirmed or disproved. Nick --------------------------- "I've pierced my foot on a spike!!!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
evilivan 0 #37 July 7, 2003 QuoteEdit: There seems to be some confusion about how badly hurt Simon is, so I've edited the post until what I heard is confirmed or disproved. Any further details on this? If you have any, please post in the Incidents forum..."If you can keep your head when all around you have lost theirs, then you probably haven't understood the seriousness of the situation." David Brent Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #38 July 7, 2003 QuoteAny further details on this? If you have any, please post in the Incidents forum... Does anyone at least know the name of the other jumper? Nothing on uk.rec yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andy2 0 #39 July 7, 2003 [QUOTE]When it gets to the stage that I absolutely HAVE to lock my shit up to prevent murder attempts, I'm going to quit.[/QUOTE] no way man! I'd take a lot more abuse than someone trying to fuck with my rig before I quit. They'd have to be pulling guns on me on the ride to altitude and shit before I'd give in. --------------------------------------------- let my inspiration flow, in token rhyme suggesting rhythm... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricTheRed 0 #40 July 7, 2003 QuoteWhen it gets to the stage that I absolutely HAVE to lock my shit up to prevent murder attempts, I'm going to quit. I'm with MAC on this one.illegible usually Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #41 July 7, 2003 Same - while I've already had to learn the hard way that you can't trust all skydivers, if I didn't have total confidence in the rig on my back and where it was stored I'd quit as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vt1977 0 #42 July 7, 2003 QuoteQuoteWhen it gets to the stage that I absolutely HAVE to lock my shit up to prevent murder attempts, I'm going to quit. I'm with MAC on this one. Call me paranoid if you like, but until they catch the psycho who did this, I'm gonna be a whole lot more careful about where I leave my rig at the DZ during the day. It's not nice to have to lock your kit up, but then neither is the person who did this. Vicki Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricaH 0 #43 July 7, 2003 My thoughts & hope to his family. I don't trust anyone in the world in which I exist. However, in my skydiving world... where I LIVE... I do trust. It took time to learn trust, it is horrible that someone took advantage of the openness of the dz community. Just this weekend I was talking w/ a friend that had left some stuff lying around 1 whole week & it was right were she had left it. No where else can I think this would happen. About 99% of the people on my dz leave their rig out during a jumping day. Quite a few of us have it put away, but not locked up over night. I've been meaning to get a lock, but for insurance - not for threat of my life... this is horrible, horrible shocking news that gives me chills & makes my blood run cold. The only answer is sever scrutiny of gear prior to boarding the plane. And also having to question everyone you don't completely know that may show up @ the dz. I'm not sure if I'd want to survive/be in a world where paranoia is required. There is no can't. Only lack of knowledge or fear. Only you can fix your fear. PMS #227 (just like the TV show) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueEyedMonster 0 #44 July 7, 2003 QuoteQuoteTRUST NO ONE It's very, very sad but at the moment I think we all have to be extra vigilant. Nope. I'm not going to let some psycho scare me into second guessing or not trusting my friends. I will change nothing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #45 July 7, 2003 QuoteI'm not going to let some psycho scare me into second guessing or not trusting my friends. I will change nothing AMEN,im whith you ALL the way.However i always have my gear at home,i always had.Not becours im afraid that some one would do somthing to it but if im gonna lose it to a fire or a burgler,then i rather have it at home were i migth have a chance to save it. I dont think this tradic incident can teach us much more than some people are just sickos,and you cant hide from them. Im not going to juged my freinds after this. im sure it were a one time and hopefuly they will catch the person who did this. Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fundgh 0 #46 July 7, 2003 I tend to trust people, sometimes too much. This person is an exception to the rule and we should not let it change our perspective. Keep an eye on your gear all of the time...your life depends on it....FUN FOR ALL! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuickDraw 0 #47 July 7, 2003 I'm not sure whether it's stupidity setting in but i'm with you on this, although i will be slightly more vigilant i won't let some sick clusterfuck spoil a good party. -- Hope you don't die. -- I'm fucking winning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kerozene 0 #48 July 8, 2003 gotta get my rig, and learn to pack it... fast !!! "That makes me angry, and when Dr. Evil gets angry, Mr. Bigglesworth gets upset. And when Mr. Bigglesworth gets upset....people DIE!!!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CornishChris 5 #49 July 8, 2003 My condolences to family and friends. This made the front page of a major Aussie newspaper and people all over Britain (and the world) are talking about it. Let us hope, that it was a one off and that the perpetrator is caught quickly as we do not want to see a trend developing. Vigilante action, whilst rewading in the short term is probably not the best course of action however. We don't want to lose any more people to this tragedy... BSBD CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloudseeker2001 0 #50 July 8, 2003 no one here has ever worried about someone jacking with their rig while it is just around? "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
