w4p2 0 #1 July 15, 2003 The thread on freedom seems to be turning into tug of war on hunting ethics. So rather than continuing the discussion there I open this thread. Please tell your opinion of hunting in general and shooting ethics in particular. The season is starting and it would be interesting to hear your opinions. Cheers: JL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 29 #2 July 15, 2003 LMAO! i was just proposing the exact thing to you in the freedom-thread!The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
w4p2 0 #3 July 15, 2003 Mine are very simple: 1) If you shoot it, you eat it AND 2) You do not shoot unless you have 100% clean kill Cheers: JL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #4 July 15, 2003 hard to argue w/ those! -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #5 July 15, 2003 Sounds good. Here we have a few others, like no shot to be taken within 500 yards of a vehicle, and no hunting permitted with a firearm capable of firing repeat shots with a pull of the trigger only. (No semi's or revolvers) If you wound it, you track it. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DYEVOUT 0 #6 July 15, 2003 Quoteno hunting permitted with a firearm capable of firing repeat shots with a pull of the trigger only. (No semi's or revolvers) Wait a minute. What about SA revolvers. I hunt with a DA revolver, and do so safely - as do many of my friends. No serious hunter uses any revolver without manually cocking the thing anyway. ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #7 July 15, 2003 Pet Peeves... Road Hunters, You cant hunt if you dont get out of your damn trucks. Group drives/beating the bush to stampede animals And yes.. one shot one kill..... the faster the better with the least amount of wastage... and NO animal wounded without tracking it down. I was brought up with the rule if you kill it you clean it.... and then share the meat equally amoung the group you are with. Amazon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luv2Fall 0 #8 July 15, 2003 QuoteMine are very simple: 1) If you shoot it, you eat it AND 2) You do not shoot unless you have 100% clean kill Cheers: JL My thoughts exactly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cptfunky 0 #9 July 15, 2003 I have big problems with people that have fun in killing living beeings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DYEVOUT 0 #10 July 15, 2003 Don't worry, there's not much meat on a flying squirrel. ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luv2Fall 0 #11 July 15, 2003 QuoteI have big problems with people that have fun in killing living beeings. For pure pleasure, I have a problem also. I've been around enough death................. I no longer hunt................no desire to be around it anymore.......but hunting is good if you eat what you kill............after all, someone slaughtered an animal whose meat you buy at the supermarket. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cptfunky 0 #12 July 15, 2003 QuoteQuoteI have big problems with people that have fun in killing living beeings. For pure pleasure, I have a problem also. I've been around enough death................. I no longer hunt................no desire to be around it anymore.......but hunting is good if you eat what you kill............after all, someone slaughtered an animal whose meat you buy at the supermarket. I agree. I think anyone who likes to eat meat should also kill the animal her/himself or at least visit the place where it's done. Ok, i admit it, im a veggie. I ate meat for 29 years, but some time ago i've stopped it completly and i'm feeling much better and healthier now. Don't get me wrong, i don't want to convince anybody, because this decision has to be made by oneself. I'd also never blame anybody for eating meat. But i think there is just no more need to go hunting 'to survive' unless you are starving and there'd be no other way to get something to eat. So most of the hunters ARE killing for "fun". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #13 July 15, 2003 Sorry - SA revolvers allowed - Rule was to keep out the Semi's, and the DA's got nailed in the fallout. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverbrian 0 #14 July 15, 2003 Quote If you shoot it, you eat it This was always the rule around our house when I was growing up. A good rule, too. In a world full of people, only some want to fly... isn't that crazy! --Seal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #15 July 15, 2003 I don't hunt anymore. When I did, I often spent days in the bush without shooting anything. It's about being out there, seeing things you can't see from a 4 x 4, hearing your place in the world. Personally, if I were human prey - I'd prefer to be killed instantly while grazing in the wild - than fed steroid packed food in captivity, and then loaded into trucks and driven 100 miles to a death camp and slaughtered for public consumption. Good for you being a veggie. Ethics are a better motivation than diet. You still kill to live though. Want to get into the ethics of what has more right to life? Human or Animal, Animal or Plant? We're all part of the same cycle. Expecting humans not to kill is like expecting dogs not to bark. We are the deadliest spiecies this planet has ever seen. Do you drive a car? Use deoderant or dish washing liquid? Make phone calls? Watch TV? If so - you're a killer, consuming more natural resources in an hour than a herd of buffalo do in a lifetime. Welcome to the human race. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #16 July 15, 2003 QuoteI don't hunt anymore. When I did, I often spent days in the bush without shooting anything. It's about being out there, seeing things you can't see from a 4 x 4, hearing your place in the world. A point I myself tried to make in the other thread..... I do not necessarily need to kill something to have a succesfull hunting trip. To me a picture of what could have been prey is good enough. When you go out there with the potential.... and to an area you have scouted all summer and read the sign... seen the scrapes and rubs...you just see so much more than when you are just walking through the woods/bush. Last year I did not even go hunting... the year before I went for deer and passed up 4 bucks that were young and would have been tender.. but they were small. I was not with a group of people so I did not feel obligated to kill something to just give them the meat. Far too many people call themselves hunters... and have hunted for years.. and never gotten a single animal. Their skill at tracking... reading sign.... stalking.... just is not there. Many of the guys who hunt here... in the US.. do it as a tribal/ male bonding exercise to get away from the wife and kids for a few days...... and drink too much . To me if I see alcohol in a hunting camp I run like hell. One of the STUPIDEST most explosive combinations in the world is gun powder and alcohol.... very very deadly. Amazon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cptfunky 0 #17 July 15, 2003 Quote Good for you being a veggie. Ethics are a better motivation than diet. You still kill to live though. Want to get into the ethics of what has more right to life? Human or Animal, Animal or Plant? We're all part of the same cycle. Expecting humans not to kill is like expecting dogs not to bark. We are the deadliest spiecies this planet has ever seen. Do you drive a car? Use deoderant or dish washing liquid? Make phone calls? Watch TV? If so - you're a killer, consuming more natural resources in an hour than a herd of buffalo do in a lifetime. Welcome to the human race. t ...you are absolutely right. there is no living without killing or exploiting other creatures. sad enough. but that doesn't mean that i have to do it extra, does it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #18 July 15, 2003 Quote: "but that doesn't mean that i have to do it extra, does it? " No, it doesn't, and I commend anyone for making ANY effort to shrink the human footprint on this planet, whether it be by birth control, recycling, using solar heating, cycling to work, adding an extra blanket rather than an electric one etc Here in Africa, if the game is not hunted, it has little ecconomic value, and that piece of bush would soon be plowed under and have sheep grazing on it, lost forever to humans and their ever growing needs. Tourism helps, but hunting is highly controlled and very sustainable, and over 65% of the income recieved by conservation bodies comes from hunters alone. It's those who have walked in the wild who most need the wild to walk in. I'm not talking about the drunken idiots who drive around killing things to prove something to themselves or their friends. There is a line somewhere between shooters, killers and hunters. Most people feel they're on the right side of that line, but many are not. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #19 July 15, 2003 You plant murderer.....such a speciesist.... STOP.... do not swat that mosquito........oh.. that poor cockroach... please do not step on it...... and oh the shame..... every time you bathe just think of all the poor skin mites that you drown every time you take a shower..... even vegetarians kill poor hapless animals everyday. Amazon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cptfunky 0 #20 July 15, 2003 Quote even vegetarians kill poor hapless animals everyday. Amazon yep, but i don't eat them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #21 July 15, 2003 Yes you do...... lots and lots of them.... no pleading that you are innocent.... you bug eating vegetarian. Bugs in food Are you Kosher Bugs I have not EVEN gone for the rat hairs etc... Amazon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos340 1 #23 July 15, 2003 Does this apply to hunting for bambi as well? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cptfunky 0 #24 July 15, 2003 another question: you're hunting and your username is amazon? hope you didn't do what the amazons did to improve their hunting and fighting skills! ouch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheMonkey 0 #25 July 15, 2003 edit: didn't read whole thread, too slow on my post for bambi --------------------- Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
