jceman 1 #26 July 15, 2003 I think using watermelons, potatos, or greencards for bait is just wrong and Oh, wait, I just read the Subject line closer, it's about Hunting Ethics! [Emily_Latella_voice] Never mind. [/Emily_Latella_voice] Faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, more money. Why do they call it "Tourist Season" if we can't shoot them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #27 July 15, 2003 Myths about health benefits of vegetarianism And as far as the ethics go. When land is cultivated to grow vegetables it is completely cleared and tilled. That kills and destroys the habitats of countless animals. Even more so than the land used for raising animals. Nothing wrong with being a vegetarian, but don't pretend you're on some moral high ground. Especially if you wear any leather (shoes, belts, etc.) Fact is, you're just uninformed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cptfunky 0 #28 July 15, 2003 QuoteNothing wrong with being a vegetarian, but don't pretend you're on some moral high ground. reply] please show me where i did so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #29 July 15, 2003 QuoteQuoteNothing wrong with being a vegetarian, but don't pretend you're on some moral high ground. reply] please show me where i did so. Never said you did. Didn't reply to you. Was using the generic "you". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #30 July 15, 2003 That's sort of like the royal "we" right?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #31 July 15, 2003 Ahh! We may not agree on WW2, but we have some common ground here! tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #32 July 15, 2003 Nope.... Both my DD are right where they belong... I need not chop off the left one and I am still a good archer too.... Amazon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DYEVOUT 0 #33 July 15, 2003 QuoteI think using watermelons, potatos, or greencards for bait is just wrong and Oh, wait, I just read the Subject line closer, it's about Hunting Ethics! [Emily_Latella_voice] Never mind. [/Emily_Latella_voice] VERY GOOD ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mindcake 0 #34 July 15, 2003 I live in Michigan (where there are more registered firearm deer hunters than any other state, that I know of anyway), there are 3 types of hunters in michigan. One type of hunter is going to go out and try to kill the biggest buck he/she can, another type is going to go out and kill as many deer as he/she can, the third wants to fill the freezer with meat thereby subsadizing the amount of $ spent on food. In my opinion all have the right to hunt in any way they see fit (so long as it dosent effect the enviroment), I really dont care if they hunt over bait, with dogs etc (but this does play into how much respect I have for them). The end result of a sucessful hunt is the same..the animal is dead and people are getting drunk, so does it really matter how the animal was hunted (so long as it was killed quickly)....I think not P.S. I have killed many critters in my lifetime and I still go to deer camp...but I have had no desire to kill anything for several years...but I still get a deer here and there because I love the meat....yummy....but I dont enjoy the hunt anymore... Don´t belive the hype Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #35 July 15, 2003 Quote2) You do not shoot unless you have 100% clean kill Since you dont think anyone else can make a kill at 300 yards.. maybe you need some lessons....maybe a new weapon that will hit what you aim at....ITs imperative to know how to use a firearm.... and to practice with it... and I do not mean sighting it in on opening morning. Amazon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #36 July 15, 2003 I never understood the connection between guns and alcohol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites feuergnom 28 #37 July 15, 2003 cant you just cut it? i think it's enough. you've been harrasing the guy for i don't know how many posts now. did he bruise your ego that much??? who's the sissy now? anybody who boasts around that much with skills makes me very suspicious cause most of the times its just mouth and no action. i you want to flame me - feel free to do soThe universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FliegendeWolf 0 #38 July 15, 2003 QuoteI never understood the connection between guns and alcohol. As a dart player, it's always amazed me that you go to a place where they fill you full of liquor, then give you sharp metal objects that you're supposed to throw. A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #39 July 15, 2003 Nah I am having way too much fun with it..... I remember a term from the south when I was growing.. up.... " it ain't brag when its just fact". And I have no need to flame anyone... its the internet.. and its just words on a screen.. anyone who takes threads like these that seriously .......that they start foaming at the mouth needs far more in the way of help than they can find online. Amazon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #40 July 15, 2003 bah. might as well go to the store and buy it out of the freezer. Once you stoop to 'shooting' you've already let someone else do the work for you. hunt anything you wish. Do it with tools of your own creation. far to easy to pull a trigger and call it 'sport'____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiverRick 0 #41 July 15, 2003 QuoteI have big problems with people that have fun in killing living beeings.It's much more fun to wait in the drive-thru never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #42 July 15, 2003 QuoteAs a dart player, Most sports have offense/defense...... pitchers catchers..... so where are the Dart Catchers.... Amazon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FliegendeWolf 0 #43 July 15, 2003 For that matter, where are the swoop catchers?A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #44 July 15, 2003 QuoteQuoteAs a dart player, Most sports have offense/defense...... pitchers catchers..... so where are the Dart Catchers.... Amazon ***raises hand*** I've caught one in the shoulder and one in the leg. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #45 July 15, 2003 QuoteI never understood the connection between guns and alcohol. I didnt either.. in our family hunting camp it was just not allowed... In most cases I always assumed it was part of the male bonding experience they were having while escaping into the forest away from thier wives and children. But its far to explosive a mixture.. gunpowder and alcohol is a far too common thread in far too many deaths. Amazon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airann 1 #46 July 15, 2003 I have a LOT to say on all this and I feel like I have experienced enough in my lifetime to comment. In addition, this is a personal extreme lifetime peeve of mine. I was never allowed to see the Disney Film 'Bambi'. Daddy felt that the Hunter was portrayed poorly and could skew the children’s minds against hunters. (LOL) My father has been heavily involved in wildlife conservation his entire life and every bit of mine. I have photos of he and I moving alligators elsewhere, and treating all kinds of injured individuals. He goes to extremes to protect nesting habitats. He doesn’t even reveal their existence. We just protect them when they are there each year. ** Our property is 1100 acres, wooded. 99% is off limits to hunting. We don’t like hunting or fireworks, especially around the Lodge and the Main House. Poachers, Mudders, 4-wheelers, and other wise cheep beer drinkers who think they can waltz onto another persons property and go willy nilly with the ecostructure and fauna. THEN, I hear gunshots, the 4 wheelers get away because they cut the fence. I do know some booby traps however. They ruin many things that they are not likely aware of to name 2 a type of cool fern that they run over, and the nesting Rosette Spoonbill. (threatened here in Tx) And they run off the 100 year plus established deer population. There are real good reasons for hunting seasons and hunting licenses. Seasons are enforced so that stupid people will know its not mating season and its ok to harvest. Licenses to help pay for costs of conservation and etc. About Licenses----- I KNOW 2 individuals who after exhausting their tags.... bought another license and exhausted those tags. I called that one in. Daddy hunts, Caribou, Bear, Deer, Antelope, Russian Boar, some kind of Sheep thing in Montanta. He fly fishes all over US, Amazon, and Europe. He knows his shyt and has written one book already. Airplanes, Alligators and Hi-Fin Blues He is a Former Chairman of Texas and Central Flyway which includes part of Oklahoma for Ducks Unlimited. He is now National Trustee Emeritus for Ducks Unlimited a internationally known conservation organization. I learned very early how to run traps, trotline, freeze ass off in duck and deer blinds and more. I started with my own real weapon at 12 and was mowing down competitors at skeet with a Stevens’s over/under no choke 410. My Dad at the time could do very well with a 22 long rifle. He and I were used to our abilities but others were not. Therefore, I was left until last as a ringer. At age 14 I held through the NRA, metals - Marksman, Marksman First Class, and Pro-Marksman. I hold some Archery Badges as well and am semi proficient at a compound bow. Bear II 165 lb pull. I would have to say at this point that not everyone has the constitution for harvesting their own food. I no longer hunt, but I am most comfortable in the backyard of my youth, which is in the wild with my horse. If I had internet access, I could have been that Fossey lady – Gorillas in the Mist. LOL My Given Responsibilities, if I were to go hunting with my Dad- 1) Don’t take a shot unless you have one. (no gut shots) Worst case senerio- Track till you find it. Toilet Paper always with you to put on limbs to track and for other reasons. 2) You clean it, field and back at the lodge, If you need help ask for it. Ie. Breaking the pelvis bone and not busting the urine sac. (tricky) 3) Prepare and package. That’s about all I have to say about that, I have many thoughts but I am tired of tying. ~AirAnn~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BlueEyedMonster 0 #47 July 15, 2003 Yes there are ethics to hunting. But one thing people forget. A life is a life... whether its the fly you just spattered or a squirrel or a deer. In the big picture, no single species is more important than any other. And, once they are dead, it doesn't matter how much they suffered. They can't remember it. I don't always hunt for meat, but I do not kill without reason: The mosquito was biting me. The gopher was digging holes in the yard. The pigeons crap in the cow's hay. The Ferrel cat is beating up my mom's cats. Deer hunting is fun. Bambie is tasty and cheaper than beef. When I hunted, and when I do again. I always kill fast. A.) I don't like chasing whatever I just shot. Who wants a rabbit rotting under the poarch? B.) Meat tastes better without the adrenaline and lactic acid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,446 #48 July 15, 2003 Quote Yes there are ethics to hunting. But one thing people forget. A life is a life... whether its the fly you just spattered or a squirrel or a deer. Good point. Here I was feeling pretty good about agreeing with the "track it, eat it" etc. stuff. We quit hunting javelina when we decided we didn't like the taste of the meat. Then I swatted a mosquito . I'll swat the next one that lands on me, too, though. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jib 0 #49 July 15, 2003 QuoteI don't always hunt for meat, but I do not kill without reason: The mosquito was biting me. The gopher was digging holes in the yard. The pigeons crap in the cow's hay. The Ferrel cat is beating up my mom's cats. Deer hunting is fun. Bambie is tasty and cheaper than beef. Don't forget the bugs that get in the way of your windshield on the way to the dropzone. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #50 July 15, 2003 Dayum girl.. I love seeing other women who grew up and really do understand stewardship of the land. I am sure you too are a lover of animals, I got that from my grandfather. I have seen what happens when the limited amount of space we leave for wildlife just is not enough. Several years ago the snows were brutal in Eastern Washington and thousands of deer and other species were very hard hit. We hauled alfalfa hay over from this side of the state to feed and do something.. anything to save what we could. 4x4 hunters really piss me off... I have seen one of the most ludicrous things a few years ago.. a 4x4 pick-em-up truck with 2 guys in the cab... 2 in the bed facing outwards guns loaded and ready.. cruising the logging roads looking for the easy kill that someone out in the woods would possibly jump up...In WA its illegal to shoot from or along a road....or to have a loaded weapon in or on a vehicle. Some of the Euro guys seem to feel that private property rights are irrelevant. that all should be able to hunt-pass where ever they want...seen it in several threads now....I have never had a problem hunting on private lands.. I do one simple thing.. I contact the owner and ask permission.. that is far too easy and fosters better hunter/landowner cooperation.... to cut down the numbers of animals and the damage to crops and the property from over population. Great post Amazon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 2 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
PhillyKev 0 #29 July 15, 2003 QuoteQuoteNothing wrong with being a vegetarian, but don't pretend you're on some moral high ground. reply] please show me where i did so. Never said you did. Didn't reply to you. Was using the generic "you". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #30 July 15, 2003 That's sort of like the royal "we" right?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #31 July 15, 2003 Ahh! We may not agree on WW2, but we have some common ground here! tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #32 July 15, 2003 Nope.... Both my DD are right where they belong... I need not chop off the left one and I am still a good archer too.... Amazon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DYEVOUT 0 #33 July 15, 2003 QuoteI think using watermelons, potatos, or greencards for bait is just wrong and Oh, wait, I just read the Subject line closer, it's about Hunting Ethics! [Emily_Latella_voice] Never mind. [/Emily_Latella_voice] VERY GOOD ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mindcake 0 #34 July 15, 2003 I live in Michigan (where there are more registered firearm deer hunters than any other state, that I know of anyway), there are 3 types of hunters in michigan. One type of hunter is going to go out and try to kill the biggest buck he/she can, another type is going to go out and kill as many deer as he/she can, the third wants to fill the freezer with meat thereby subsadizing the amount of $ spent on food. In my opinion all have the right to hunt in any way they see fit (so long as it dosent effect the enviroment), I really dont care if they hunt over bait, with dogs etc (but this does play into how much respect I have for them). The end result of a sucessful hunt is the same..the animal is dead and people are getting drunk, so does it really matter how the animal was hunted (so long as it was killed quickly)....I think not P.S. I have killed many critters in my lifetime and I still go to deer camp...but I have had no desire to kill anything for several years...but I still get a deer here and there because I love the meat....yummy....but I dont enjoy the hunt anymore... Don´t belive the hype Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #35 July 15, 2003 Quote2) You do not shoot unless you have 100% clean kill Since you dont think anyone else can make a kill at 300 yards.. maybe you need some lessons....maybe a new weapon that will hit what you aim at....ITs imperative to know how to use a firearm.... and to practice with it... and I do not mean sighting it in on opening morning. Amazon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #36 July 15, 2003 I never understood the connection between guns and alcohol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites feuergnom 28 #37 July 15, 2003 cant you just cut it? i think it's enough. you've been harrasing the guy for i don't know how many posts now. did he bruise your ego that much??? who's the sissy now? anybody who boasts around that much with skills makes me very suspicious cause most of the times its just mouth and no action. i you want to flame me - feel free to do soThe universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FliegendeWolf 0 #38 July 15, 2003 QuoteI never understood the connection between guns and alcohol. As a dart player, it's always amazed me that you go to a place where they fill you full of liquor, then give you sharp metal objects that you're supposed to throw. A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #39 July 15, 2003 Nah I am having way too much fun with it..... I remember a term from the south when I was growing.. up.... " it ain't brag when its just fact". And I have no need to flame anyone... its the internet.. and its just words on a screen.. anyone who takes threads like these that seriously .......that they start foaming at the mouth needs far more in the way of help than they can find online. Amazon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #40 July 15, 2003 bah. might as well go to the store and buy it out of the freezer. Once you stoop to 'shooting' you've already let someone else do the work for you. hunt anything you wish. Do it with tools of your own creation. far to easy to pull a trigger and call it 'sport'____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiverRick 0 #41 July 15, 2003 QuoteI have big problems with people that have fun in killing living beeings.It's much more fun to wait in the drive-thru never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #42 July 15, 2003 QuoteAs a dart player, Most sports have offense/defense...... pitchers catchers..... so where are the Dart Catchers.... Amazon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FliegendeWolf 0 #43 July 15, 2003 For that matter, where are the swoop catchers?A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #44 July 15, 2003 QuoteQuoteAs a dart player, Most sports have offense/defense...... pitchers catchers..... so where are the Dart Catchers.... Amazon ***raises hand*** I've caught one in the shoulder and one in the leg. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #45 July 15, 2003 QuoteI never understood the connection between guns and alcohol. I didnt either.. in our family hunting camp it was just not allowed... In most cases I always assumed it was part of the male bonding experience they were having while escaping into the forest away from thier wives and children. But its far to explosive a mixture.. gunpowder and alcohol is a far too common thread in far too many deaths. Amazon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airann 1 #46 July 15, 2003 I have a LOT to say on all this and I feel like I have experienced enough in my lifetime to comment. In addition, this is a personal extreme lifetime peeve of mine. I was never allowed to see the Disney Film 'Bambi'. Daddy felt that the Hunter was portrayed poorly and could skew the children’s minds against hunters. (LOL) My father has been heavily involved in wildlife conservation his entire life and every bit of mine. I have photos of he and I moving alligators elsewhere, and treating all kinds of injured individuals. He goes to extremes to protect nesting habitats. He doesn’t even reveal their existence. We just protect them when they are there each year. ** Our property is 1100 acres, wooded. 99% is off limits to hunting. We don’t like hunting or fireworks, especially around the Lodge and the Main House. Poachers, Mudders, 4-wheelers, and other wise cheep beer drinkers who think they can waltz onto another persons property and go willy nilly with the ecostructure and fauna. THEN, I hear gunshots, the 4 wheelers get away because they cut the fence. I do know some booby traps however. They ruin many things that they are not likely aware of to name 2 a type of cool fern that they run over, and the nesting Rosette Spoonbill. (threatened here in Tx) And they run off the 100 year plus established deer population. There are real good reasons for hunting seasons and hunting licenses. Seasons are enforced so that stupid people will know its not mating season and its ok to harvest. Licenses to help pay for costs of conservation and etc. About Licenses----- I KNOW 2 individuals who after exhausting their tags.... bought another license and exhausted those tags. I called that one in. Daddy hunts, Caribou, Bear, Deer, Antelope, Russian Boar, some kind of Sheep thing in Montanta. He fly fishes all over US, Amazon, and Europe. He knows his shyt and has written one book already. Airplanes, Alligators and Hi-Fin Blues He is a Former Chairman of Texas and Central Flyway which includes part of Oklahoma for Ducks Unlimited. He is now National Trustee Emeritus for Ducks Unlimited a internationally known conservation organization. I learned very early how to run traps, trotline, freeze ass off in duck and deer blinds and more. I started with my own real weapon at 12 and was mowing down competitors at skeet with a Stevens’s over/under no choke 410. My Dad at the time could do very well with a 22 long rifle. He and I were used to our abilities but others were not. Therefore, I was left until last as a ringer. At age 14 I held through the NRA, metals - Marksman, Marksman First Class, and Pro-Marksman. I hold some Archery Badges as well and am semi proficient at a compound bow. Bear II 165 lb pull. I would have to say at this point that not everyone has the constitution for harvesting their own food. I no longer hunt, but I am most comfortable in the backyard of my youth, which is in the wild with my horse. If I had internet access, I could have been that Fossey lady – Gorillas in the Mist. LOL My Given Responsibilities, if I were to go hunting with my Dad- 1) Don’t take a shot unless you have one. (no gut shots) Worst case senerio- Track till you find it. Toilet Paper always with you to put on limbs to track and for other reasons. 2) You clean it, field and back at the lodge, If you need help ask for it. Ie. Breaking the pelvis bone and not busting the urine sac. (tricky) 3) Prepare and package. That’s about all I have to say about that, I have many thoughts but I am tired of tying. ~AirAnn~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BlueEyedMonster 0 #47 July 15, 2003 Yes there are ethics to hunting. But one thing people forget. A life is a life... whether its the fly you just spattered or a squirrel or a deer. In the big picture, no single species is more important than any other. And, once they are dead, it doesn't matter how much they suffered. They can't remember it. I don't always hunt for meat, but I do not kill without reason: The mosquito was biting me. The gopher was digging holes in the yard. The pigeons crap in the cow's hay. The Ferrel cat is beating up my mom's cats. Deer hunting is fun. Bambie is tasty and cheaper than beef. When I hunted, and when I do again. I always kill fast. A.) I don't like chasing whatever I just shot. Who wants a rabbit rotting under the poarch? B.) Meat tastes better without the adrenaline and lactic acid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,446 #48 July 15, 2003 Quote Yes there are ethics to hunting. But one thing people forget. A life is a life... whether its the fly you just spattered or a squirrel or a deer. Good point. Here I was feeling pretty good about agreeing with the "track it, eat it" etc. stuff. We quit hunting javelina when we decided we didn't like the taste of the meat. Then I swatted a mosquito . I'll swat the next one that lands on me, too, though. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jib 0 #49 July 15, 2003 QuoteI don't always hunt for meat, but I do not kill without reason: The mosquito was biting me. The gopher was digging holes in the yard. The pigeons crap in the cow's hay. The Ferrel cat is beating up my mom's cats. Deer hunting is fun. Bambie is tasty and cheaper than beef. Don't forget the bugs that get in the way of your windshield on the way to the dropzone. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #50 July 15, 2003 Dayum girl.. I love seeing other women who grew up and really do understand stewardship of the land. I am sure you too are a lover of animals, I got that from my grandfather. I have seen what happens when the limited amount of space we leave for wildlife just is not enough. Several years ago the snows were brutal in Eastern Washington and thousands of deer and other species were very hard hit. We hauled alfalfa hay over from this side of the state to feed and do something.. anything to save what we could. 4x4 hunters really piss me off... I have seen one of the most ludicrous things a few years ago.. a 4x4 pick-em-up truck with 2 guys in the cab... 2 in the bed facing outwards guns loaded and ready.. cruising the logging roads looking for the easy kill that someone out in the woods would possibly jump up...In WA its illegal to shoot from or along a road....or to have a loaded weapon in or on a vehicle. Some of the Euro guys seem to feel that private property rights are irrelevant. that all should be able to hunt-pass where ever they want...seen it in several threads now....I have never had a problem hunting on private lands.. I do one simple thing.. I contact the owner and ask permission.. that is far too easy and fosters better hunter/landowner cooperation.... to cut down the numbers of animals and the damage to crops and the property from over population. Great post Amazon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 2 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
AggieDave 6 #30 July 15, 2003 That's sort of like the royal "we" right?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #31 July 15, 2003 Ahh! We may not agree on WW2, but we have some common ground here! tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #32 July 15, 2003 Nope.... Both my DD are right where they belong... I need not chop off the left one and I am still a good archer too.... Amazon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DYEVOUT 0 #33 July 15, 2003 QuoteI think using watermelons, potatos, or greencards for bait is just wrong and Oh, wait, I just read the Subject line closer, it's about Hunting Ethics! [Emily_Latella_voice] Never mind. [/Emily_Latella_voice] VERY GOOD ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mindcake 0 #34 July 15, 2003 I live in Michigan (where there are more registered firearm deer hunters than any other state, that I know of anyway), there are 3 types of hunters in michigan. One type of hunter is going to go out and try to kill the biggest buck he/she can, another type is going to go out and kill as many deer as he/she can, the third wants to fill the freezer with meat thereby subsadizing the amount of $ spent on food. In my opinion all have the right to hunt in any way they see fit (so long as it dosent effect the enviroment), I really dont care if they hunt over bait, with dogs etc (but this does play into how much respect I have for them). The end result of a sucessful hunt is the same..the animal is dead and people are getting drunk, so does it really matter how the animal was hunted (so long as it was killed quickly)....I think not P.S. I have killed many critters in my lifetime and I still go to deer camp...but I have had no desire to kill anything for several years...but I still get a deer here and there because I love the meat....yummy....but I dont enjoy the hunt anymore... Don´t belive the hype Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #35 July 15, 2003 Quote2) You do not shoot unless you have 100% clean kill Since you dont think anyone else can make a kill at 300 yards.. maybe you need some lessons....maybe a new weapon that will hit what you aim at....ITs imperative to know how to use a firearm.... and to practice with it... and I do not mean sighting it in on opening morning. Amazon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #36 July 15, 2003 I never understood the connection between guns and alcohol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 28 #37 July 15, 2003 cant you just cut it? i think it's enough. you've been harrasing the guy for i don't know how many posts now. did he bruise your ego that much??? who's the sissy now? anybody who boasts around that much with skills makes me very suspicious cause most of the times its just mouth and no action. i you want to flame me - feel free to do soThe universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FliegendeWolf 0 #38 July 15, 2003 QuoteI never understood the connection between guns and alcohol. As a dart player, it's always amazed me that you go to a place where they fill you full of liquor, then give you sharp metal objects that you're supposed to throw. A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #39 July 15, 2003 Nah I am having way too much fun with it..... I remember a term from the south when I was growing.. up.... " it ain't brag when its just fact". And I have no need to flame anyone... its the internet.. and its just words on a screen.. anyone who takes threads like these that seriously .......that they start foaming at the mouth needs far more in the way of help than they can find online. Amazon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #40 July 15, 2003 bah. might as well go to the store and buy it out of the freezer. Once you stoop to 'shooting' you've already let someone else do the work for you. hunt anything you wish. Do it with tools of your own creation. far to easy to pull a trigger and call it 'sport'____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiverRick 0 #41 July 15, 2003 QuoteI have big problems with people that have fun in killing living beeings.It's much more fun to wait in the drive-thru never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #42 July 15, 2003 QuoteAs a dart player, Most sports have offense/defense...... pitchers catchers..... so where are the Dart Catchers.... Amazon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FliegendeWolf 0 #43 July 15, 2003 For that matter, where are the swoop catchers?A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #44 July 15, 2003 QuoteQuoteAs a dart player, Most sports have offense/defense...... pitchers catchers..... so where are the Dart Catchers.... Amazon ***raises hand*** I've caught one in the shoulder and one in the leg. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #45 July 15, 2003 QuoteI never understood the connection between guns and alcohol. I didnt either.. in our family hunting camp it was just not allowed... In most cases I always assumed it was part of the male bonding experience they were having while escaping into the forest away from thier wives and children. But its far to explosive a mixture.. gunpowder and alcohol is a far too common thread in far too many deaths. Amazon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airann 1 #46 July 15, 2003 I have a LOT to say on all this and I feel like I have experienced enough in my lifetime to comment. In addition, this is a personal extreme lifetime peeve of mine. I was never allowed to see the Disney Film 'Bambi'. Daddy felt that the Hunter was portrayed poorly and could skew the children’s minds against hunters. (LOL) My father has been heavily involved in wildlife conservation his entire life and every bit of mine. I have photos of he and I moving alligators elsewhere, and treating all kinds of injured individuals. He goes to extremes to protect nesting habitats. He doesn’t even reveal their existence. We just protect them when they are there each year. ** Our property is 1100 acres, wooded. 99% is off limits to hunting. We don’t like hunting or fireworks, especially around the Lodge and the Main House. Poachers, Mudders, 4-wheelers, and other wise cheep beer drinkers who think they can waltz onto another persons property and go willy nilly with the ecostructure and fauna. THEN, I hear gunshots, the 4 wheelers get away because they cut the fence. I do know some booby traps however. They ruin many things that they are not likely aware of to name 2 a type of cool fern that they run over, and the nesting Rosette Spoonbill. (threatened here in Tx) And they run off the 100 year plus established deer population. There are real good reasons for hunting seasons and hunting licenses. Seasons are enforced so that stupid people will know its not mating season and its ok to harvest. Licenses to help pay for costs of conservation and etc. About Licenses----- I KNOW 2 individuals who after exhausting their tags.... bought another license and exhausted those tags. I called that one in. Daddy hunts, Caribou, Bear, Deer, Antelope, Russian Boar, some kind of Sheep thing in Montanta. He fly fishes all over US, Amazon, and Europe. He knows his shyt and has written one book already. Airplanes, Alligators and Hi-Fin Blues He is a Former Chairman of Texas and Central Flyway which includes part of Oklahoma for Ducks Unlimited. He is now National Trustee Emeritus for Ducks Unlimited a internationally known conservation organization. I learned very early how to run traps, trotline, freeze ass off in duck and deer blinds and more. I started with my own real weapon at 12 and was mowing down competitors at skeet with a Stevens’s over/under no choke 410. My Dad at the time could do very well with a 22 long rifle. He and I were used to our abilities but others were not. Therefore, I was left until last as a ringer. At age 14 I held through the NRA, metals - Marksman, Marksman First Class, and Pro-Marksman. I hold some Archery Badges as well and am semi proficient at a compound bow. Bear II 165 lb pull. I would have to say at this point that not everyone has the constitution for harvesting their own food. I no longer hunt, but I am most comfortable in the backyard of my youth, which is in the wild with my horse. If I had internet access, I could have been that Fossey lady – Gorillas in the Mist. LOL My Given Responsibilities, if I were to go hunting with my Dad- 1) Don’t take a shot unless you have one. (no gut shots) Worst case senerio- Track till you find it. Toilet Paper always with you to put on limbs to track and for other reasons. 2) You clean it, field and back at the lodge, If you need help ask for it. Ie. Breaking the pelvis bone and not busting the urine sac. (tricky) 3) Prepare and package. That’s about all I have to say about that, I have many thoughts but I am tired of tying. ~AirAnn~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueEyedMonster 0 #47 July 15, 2003 Yes there are ethics to hunting. But one thing people forget. A life is a life... whether its the fly you just spattered or a squirrel or a deer. In the big picture, no single species is more important than any other. And, once they are dead, it doesn't matter how much they suffered. They can't remember it. I don't always hunt for meat, but I do not kill without reason: The mosquito was biting me. The gopher was digging holes in the yard. The pigeons crap in the cow's hay. The Ferrel cat is beating up my mom's cats. Deer hunting is fun. Bambie is tasty and cheaper than beef. When I hunted, and when I do again. I always kill fast. A.) I don't like chasing whatever I just shot. Who wants a rabbit rotting under the poarch? B.) Meat tastes better without the adrenaline and lactic acid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,446 #48 July 15, 2003 Quote Yes there are ethics to hunting. But one thing people forget. A life is a life... whether its the fly you just spattered or a squirrel or a deer. Good point. Here I was feeling pretty good about agreeing with the "track it, eat it" etc. stuff. We quit hunting javelina when we decided we didn't like the taste of the meat. Then I swatted a mosquito . I'll swat the next one that lands on me, too, though. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #49 July 15, 2003 QuoteI don't always hunt for meat, but I do not kill without reason: The mosquito was biting me. The gopher was digging holes in the yard. The pigeons crap in the cow's hay. The Ferrel cat is beating up my mom's cats. Deer hunting is fun. Bambie is tasty and cheaper than beef. Don't forget the bugs that get in the way of your windshield on the way to the dropzone. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #50 July 15, 2003 Dayum girl.. I love seeing other women who grew up and really do understand stewardship of the land. I am sure you too are a lover of animals, I got that from my grandfather. I have seen what happens when the limited amount of space we leave for wildlife just is not enough. Several years ago the snows were brutal in Eastern Washington and thousands of deer and other species were very hard hit. We hauled alfalfa hay over from this side of the state to feed and do something.. anything to save what we could. 4x4 hunters really piss me off... I have seen one of the most ludicrous things a few years ago.. a 4x4 pick-em-up truck with 2 guys in the cab... 2 in the bed facing outwards guns loaded and ready.. cruising the logging roads looking for the easy kill that someone out in the woods would possibly jump up...In WA its illegal to shoot from or along a road....or to have a loaded weapon in or on a vehicle. Some of the Euro guys seem to feel that private property rights are irrelevant. that all should be able to hunt-pass where ever they want...seen it in several threads now....I have never had a problem hunting on private lands.. I do one simple thing.. I contact the owner and ask permission.. that is far too easy and fosters better hunter/landowner cooperation.... to cut down the numbers of animals and the damage to crops and the property from over population. Great post Amazon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
