sangiro 26 #1 July 15, 2003 Heya all, Following on what I think is a great suggestion (thanks PhreeZone!) going forward only Registered Users will be able to view the Incidents forum. Guest can still view all other forums and posts to Errors and Bug Reports as always. Please register to participate in the Incidents forum.Safe swoops Sangiro Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cptfunky 0 #3 July 15, 2003 what was the suggestion of PhreeZone? Link? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Push 0 #4 July 15, 2003 I concur. There is no reason why an outsider should read that forum. The general statistics are available from the appropriate organization. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #5 July 15, 2003 Hehehe... every once and a while all my postwhoring pays off I think this will help to keep our community close, and keep the flow of information going.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricaH 0 #6 July 15, 2003 However, people can still register & use totally generic info... that police officer was kind enough to give bunches of info, but I've seen so many users w/ nothing identifying in their profile. perhaps I'm just forgetting what I gave you when I registered & there is something there that will limit said "outsiders" from registering. Cause if not, than it simply makes it more difficult, but if someone really wants to see something - there's no real way to stop them from registering. Sorry for the ramble, having trouble forming complete sentences in a co-herent form today. edited to add: I do think it's a wonderful idea to limit viewing though. There is no can't. Only lack of knowledge or fear. Only you can fix your fear. PMS #227 (just like the TV show) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andy2 0 #7 July 15, 2003 [QUOTE] I think this will help to keep our community close, and keep the flow of information going. [/QUOTE] Am I missing something here? How hard is it to register on DZ.com? All but 30 seconds. I don't understand what this is protecting. How will this change anything, honestly? --------------------------------------------- let my inspiration flow, in token rhyme suggesting rhythm... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scrumpot 1 #8 July 15, 2003 I wouldn't have even "publicized" that. ANyone can register for a day, with ANY type of (even "BS") info, can they not? I'd just let that be a known fact for us registerd users. F... the "interlopers"! My .02coitus non circum - Moab Stone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scrumpot 1 #9 July 15, 2003 Sure, just ERASE this thread though & "make it so"! None of "US" would have ever noticed any difference anyways. Why "publicize" it?coitus non circum - Moab Stone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Push 0 #10 July 15, 2003 I think that 99% of all the morbid idle wanderers of cyberspace will not bother registering. This will prevent someone random stumbling on accident descriptions. I don't think it's meant to keep away people that explicitly came here to read it. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #11 July 15, 2003 i re-registered to participate in the incidents forums. that said, although i think it's a good idea, any effort to stop information leaks is an exercise in futility. i don't disscuss incident(s) anywhere but here, or at the DZ and i sure as hell don't give the press anything...ever, but they will stop at nothing to obtain information, and we still have the rec.skydiving posting everything all the time. how do we know there isn't a press member amoung us already? i know that there is, i won't mention any names. in any event, this site belongs to Sangiro and if he wants us to re-register to participate, i guess it's either comply or be denied access to the particular forum. the whole concept behind this particular subject matter (Incident Forum) i thought anyway was to learn from, and help prevent any future similar incidents/accidents.--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricaH 0 #12 July 15, 2003 i don't think its "re-register" it's just "register" There is no can't. Only lack of knowledge or fear. Only you can fix your fear. PMS #227 (just like the TV show) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slowfaller 0 #13 July 15, 2003 That 2nd account is probably going to be deleted. --"Someday you will die and somehow somethings going to steal your carbon" -MM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andy2 0 #14 July 15, 2003 so why care about the morbid idle wanderers if theyre not going to register? If they dont register, they dont post, so screw em? I'd be more worried about the people that have access to press, and routinely get confronted by "member only" forums. Journalists crawling web pages is a LOT more common than most people think, theyre used to doing whatever they have to to gain access, and slamming through a registration prompt isn't enough. If youre going to post it on a forum, expect any sort of people to read it. Thats the internet, unfortunately. You know what. I think this will only promote people that have no connection to skydiving to posting in the incidents forum. I see it working like this, "oh well, I just filled out that annoying registration form, I might as well make a post about how scary skydiving is, and how theyre idiots for ever doing it." We'll see, I guess? --------------------------------------------- let my inspiration flow, in token rhyme suggesting rhythm... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jessica 0 #15 July 15, 2003 I don't understand why you're so upset. If they don't know about it, they won't register to read it. Say an incident happens somewhere today. A reporter unfamiliar with skydiving does a Web search and gets to dropzone.com. But in his list of forums, Incidents doesn't appear. He's unaware of its existence. He won't register to gain access. Yes, journalists are going to crawl web pages looking for information. That's their job. Some of them will still stumble across the forum. But we don't have to make it easy for them to use our comments. QuoteI see it working like this, "oh well, I just filled out that annoying registration form, I might as well make a post about how scary skydiving is, and how theyre idiots for ever doing it." We'll see, I guess? That hypothesis makes absolutely no sense to me.Skydiving is for cool people only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andy2 0 #16 July 15, 2003 whoever said I was making sense in the first place should be shot! My point is, having been on "private" forums, its probably a hundred times more annoying when someone "slips through" and exploits the forum. Just my experience, though. --------------------------------------------- let my inspiration flow, in token rhyme suggesting rhythm... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,063 #17 July 15, 2003 >You know what. I think this will only promote people that have no >connection to skydiving to posting in the incidents forum. Worry not; those posts will be removed quickly, and those IP addresses disabled. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #18 July 15, 2003 QuoteYou know what. I think this will only promote people that have no connection to skydiving to posting in the incidents forum. I see it working like this, "oh well, I just filled out that annoying registration form, I might as well make a post about how scary skydiving is, and how theyre idiots for ever doing it." We'll see, I guess? We already saw. You used to be able to post anonymously on the entire forum. Requiring registration definitely weeded out a lot of the crap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Push 0 #19 July 15, 2003 Quoteso why care about the morbid idle wanderers if theyre not going to register? These people might be considering doing a tandem and looking at information. Imagine their reaction if they stumble into the Incidents forum. Of course, of all those incidents maybe 5 are actually relevant to a person considering doing just one jump, but the person doesn't understand it. All he sees is incidents. We're not lying to them, but it's in the best interest of everyone not to scare the tourists. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WantsToLearn 0 #20 July 15, 2003 I will be the first to say I do not agree with this. I know, hold on don't go getting all upset. Hear me out. I have never posted on DZ.com or anywhere else for that matter. However I do log on to read the incident reports at least once a week. I have had no desire to post anything with my thoughts. My reason for logging on and reading them here is because this is such a great tool for communication. By the time something gets to a magazine in incidents reports it is old news and they don't give as much information as I find on here. I like reading replys when someone helps with how to prevent an injury or death. One person I can think of that I tend to listen to is the Pilot guy. Mind you there are some very stupid and hurtful things said sometimes, I do realize this as well. I'm sure all of this came about after the murder/death last week. He is my thought on keeping out the journalist. I am about as computer stupid as they come and I figured out how to register and post. One thing I noticed while doing this is that everything has a drop down box. Someone not knowing anything about skydiving can very easily register. On a regular basis skydivers are the people in here reading and hopefully learning about incidents. I think only recently with the tragic death of this man last week has a lot of negative things come out. I think it is unfortunate to take away something that people use to help them in the sport. I know many people that read these are looking to gain knowledge but others are hear just to sir things up a bit. I guess for me anyway I can at least get on here and view again but it is too bad others can't/won't. I'm sure in time you will find many logins that there are no posts from just so people can view the incident reports. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #21 July 15, 2003 QuoteThese people might be considering doing a tandem and looking at information. Imagine their reaction if they stumble into the Incidents forum. Of course, of all those incidents maybe 5 are actually relevant to a person considering doing just one jump, but the person doesn't understand it. All he sees is incidents. We're not lying to them, but it's in the best interest of everyone not to scare the tourists. I absolutely disagree. Scare the hell out of them. If they still show up, cool. They're making a jump while being informed of the risks. If they don't show up because we made them realize skydiving can be deadly (and they were too stupid to realize that on their own), even better. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #22 July 15, 2003 QuoteI'm sure in time you will find many logins that there are no posts Then it won't be any different then it is now. Its the same setup for selling stuff in the classifieds, you have to be a registered user...a lot of those folks never post either.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #23 July 15, 2003 Some of you might not have been around, but the incidents forum is a fairly new addition. It was hotly debated about whether to even have it or not. Specifically for most of the reasons that there have been problems (insensitivity, erroneous information, speculation, accusation, and now press leaks). The only reason it exists is because the fatality database elsewhere on the net stopped being maintained. My preference would be no public incidents forum at all, submit info to a central repository, it's confirmed by a responsible party, and then posted for viewing. But, that's a lot of work, and possible liability. I'm not volunteering for it and don't expect anyone else to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perky77 0 #24 July 15, 2003 QuoteHowever, people can still register & use totally generic info... I think people should have to fill in all their info to register. It gives people an idea of who they are talking to...and obviously affects the way they are taken. "Sacrifice is a part of life. It is supposed to be. It's not something you regret . It's something to aspire to." Mitch Albom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #25 July 15, 2003 Someone posted in Error and bugs about the lack of incidents... Is it soooo hard for people to read the announcement forum? --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
