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It's really pretty sad when the leader of a nation allows his religous beliefs to cloud his judgment -- particlulary when that man is commander in chief of the world's most powerful military, and holder of the world's greatest cache of WMDs...



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Good points again. And the reason why I did not support the war was the unstated reason (taken from a local ex-congressman I spoke to) - "to clean up the block."

Maybe if they'd all been upfront about it I coulda supported it more.

That's why I'm libertarian. But you always have interesting thoughts, billvon. And your logic is invariably good, even though you are usually wrong...;)


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>You're saying that the economic boom of the '90s was due to Clinton and the downturn was due to W.?

Personally I don't believe that. I do think it was foolish of Bush to promise more jobs as a result of his first tax cut. Unemployment is at record highs, so either it was an empty promise or a massive failure in planning.

I hope I'll live to see the day when a president says "Look, there's just not much I can do about the economy, so I'm just going to try to balance the budget and do what little I can. Only you guys can really turn the economy around." Will never happen of course.

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um... a little confused... surely your not talking about the BJ in the white house? It is NOT his house... he resides there yes, but it is not "his" house. He can't do whatever the fuck he wants to in it


Ummm... show me a statute that says he can't and I will happily concede this point to you.

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The White House is, after all, the President’s private home.

So, I believe that means he CAN do what he wants in there.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/facts.html

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It's really pretty sad when the leader of a nation allows his religous beliefs to cloud his judgment -- particlulary when that man is commander in chief of the world's most powerful military, and holder of the world's greatest cache of WMDs...



Why is it that its those people that "sinned" the most in the past always seem to get the strongest religious convictions?
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ok, strictly speaking I can do whatever the fuck I want to also. that doesn't mean he's not accountable. how sad that such behavior is tolerated by others. he cheated on his fucking wife-- the leader of the free world didn't even honor his most important covenant/contract/relationship. How in God's name do you expect him to work for YOU? And then, to perjure himself on top of it! Sheesh... MYOB?? Sorry, not when it's MY president in MY country where I AM paying taxes... no thanks. We don't need more loosers like that...

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>How in God's name do you expect him to work for YOU?

Uh, if I hire someone to write code for me, and they write code, they've fulfilled their part of the bargain. Who they get blowjobs from is absolutely none of my business.

If your boss asked you to prove that you were being faithful to the Ten Commandments, because that's what he believed in, would you be OK with that? Say, a simple lie detector test.

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We don't need more loosers like that...



60% of men cheat on their wife. Are you going to tell me that no republicans currently in office have? And what happened to your spiel about being human, making mistakes, learning from your mistakes and being given the opportunity to move on?

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Bill, your example doesn't scale quite to the same scope of responsibility.

Personally, the way I look at it, if the guy can't keep a promise to his own wife, then how can we as a nation trust him to do something like lead America?
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This thread is already hijacked, so...

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Ummm... show me a statute that says he can't and I will happily concede this point to you.



A statute? How about the Federal Civil Rights Act of 1964. Specifically, Title VII of the act, which prohibits employers from discriminating on the basis of sex with respect to compensation, terms, conditions or privileges of employment.

Case law has construed this to be any inappropriate sexual contact with a subordinate employee. How many other interns got access to the oval office? Sounds like discrimination on the basis of sex with respect to compensation, terms, condition or privileges of employment to you?

Sounds like it to me. And, good thing he wasn't determined to be an active duty member of the armed forces, either. Otherwise, as commander in chief he would have found himself facing all kinds of discplinary acts under the UCMJ.

Any corporate CEO boinking a copy clerk would have had his Justice Department all over them for the sexual harassment.

Yeah, he may have broken a statute or two. Certainly a few regulations.

But, I guess those laws only apply to us peasants....


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I hope I'll live to see the day when a president says "Look, there's just not much I can do about the economy, so I'm just going to try to balance the budget and do what little I can. Only you guys can really turn the economy around." Will never happen of course.



That's because there's no such thing as an honest politician. They want power, and to get that power, they will lie about anything.


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How in God's name do you expect him to work for YOU


He's a politician. I expect him to lie. Politicians sometimes need to do that to get the job done right. Is that ideal? Hell no. But, it works. Do you really think GW is the sparkling boy of truthfulness?

And for his relationship with his wife. That is between the two of them. How would you like it if your boss started telling you what you and your wife could/couldn't do? Being president is a job... the pay sucks for the work, but he gets a nice house for 4 years.

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I prefer the belief that peace is worth the extra effort and sacrifice it takes to sustain rather than resorting to bloodshed.



amen to that Brother!

But seriously you guys have no problems when politicians invoke god to explain or justify their actions...
that's how 99% of the worst killings have started (from the crusades to now the middle east situation)
it's always because god told me my religion is better so therefore you must join me or die!!

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I knew this would open up a mine field in here.

Look, many of you disagree with me on this... the man (or woman, should that ever happen) to be the head of this country should be someone who is faithful to their commitments. The office of the president is not simple a "job" like someone writing code. If you don't believe that, than I think you're pretty ignorant. A president who cheates on his wife in the oval office is not someone worthy of that office. I have the same belief for others in positions of service and power such as politicians, clergy, etc.

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But seriously you guys have no problems when politicians invoke god to explain or justify their actions...
that's how 99% of the worst killings have started (from the crusades to now the middle east situation)
it's always because god told me my religion is better so therefore you must join me or die!!

live the Sky

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I agree...religion should never be an excuse to hurt or kill someone. It's pitiful. Basically, that's placing the responsibility of the decision on someone else when you are actually the responsible party.


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I knew this would open up a mine field in here.

Look, many of you disagree with me on this... the man (or woman, should that ever happen) to be the head of this country should be someone who is faithful to their commitments. The office of the president is not simple a "job" like someone writing code.



What sucks about that is that no one honest will EVER run for office because honest people can't gain the power that liars can. You tell the truth, which often sucks, and you're going to be voted out for someone who can lie and make everything sound good.
So what are you left with? You have to choose the "lesser of the evils", as the saying goes.


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How about the Federal Civil Rights Act of 1964. Specifically, Title VII of the act, which prohibits employers from...



The challenge was with regards to the adultery, and sex in the White House. Not Employer/employee relations. But yes you are correct. He did violate that. But, you are incorrect about the peasants that don't get away with it. I've known many that have, and only one that got busted. Happens all the time in the real world.

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60% of men cheat on their wife. Are you going to tell me that no republicans currently in office have? And what happened to your spiel about being human, making mistakes, learning from your mistakes and being given the opportunity to move on?



First of all, I'm not saying that any republican hasn't cheated on his wife. If they have, it's despicable. If it occurs in the same context as slick willy, then they should be accountable for.

second of all, you seem real keen on this whole hypocrisy thing. My "spiel" about making mistakes and being human is not negated, altered, or any way discredited. If you make a mistake/sin/commit a crime, yes, you can be forgiven/pardoned/excused whatever. But you should also pay the consequences for your actions as well. Forgiveness and "letting someone move on" has nothing to do w/ someone paying the price for their mistakes/errors/transgressions. He did something in the oval office that most people find unconscionable (sp?) and then lied about it. Yeah, he's moved on, yeah he's apologized. Fine... but he got what he diserved in inpeachment too...

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Actually, nobody killed more people than Mao and Stalin. ol Pot only killed a couple million. Between those three, tens of millions (some say over 100 million, but I think that's exaggerated) of people were killed.

unless you define communisms as a religion (for which I find there to be legitimate arguments) they weren't for religious purposes.


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It's really pretty sad when the leader of a nation allows his religous beliefs to cloud his judgment -- particlulary when that man is commander in chief of the world's most powerful military, and holder of the world's greatest cache of WMDs...



Well said, Frank. Everytime I get pissed off with that nimrod I go to the following site.

Makes me feel much better. ;)

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again, his job isn't just a job... his actions directly and indirectly affect millions and millions of people. I don't give a DAMN if he gets bj's the rest of his life by evey fat intern he can find. But not when he is an elected servant, a man for the people. it's somewhat akin to sports stars... they are role models. they are people of influence and are held to a high standard. don't like it? tough...

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