juanesky 0 #26 June 26, 2003 I'm not a lawyer, nor try to portray myself as judge.... But doesn't the death penalty requires that the indictment be Murder 1? Where ther was actually intent and premeditation... Well, I think what is grave here is the fact of her not trying to help, and after all, she tried to hide the fact that she commited this serious crime that led to someone's losing their life. No remorse there at all, or at least non publicly, and another aggravating factor, she is a healthcare provider of some sort, if I'm not mistaken she works for elderly care? I think that she is being responsible on pleading guilty on some of the charges, but it would be interesting she gets also charged with the myriad of things she did, such as driving under the influence, etc, etc, etc..... Although it is arguably that she did not have the intention to kill, it was her gross neglect that this person never had a chance to change the outcome."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SadSue 0 #27 June 26, 2003 I can understand your apprehensive approach to this forum however LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Hope you don't get Banned! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mrboombosstic 0 #28 June 26, 2003 Im not familiar with any ways of the law, im a comm major and my knowledge lies there. Be it right or wrong...i'd like to see her axed. I agree with you it was the gross neglect that off sets so many people. As i stated, i do not believe in the death penalty, but a situation like this is just unreal. Infact i have the perfect solution...we should send her to the LA area....and let them have some target practice Procrastination is like masturbation it feels good while your doing it but in the end you realize your only fucking urself Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #29 June 26, 2003 Well, uf you ever get to go to jury duty you will differ, I am not trying to discourage you from expressing your opinions, but although she would be a menace while she drives and works in free society, I think that dead penalty should be for those only that had the premeditation..... Believe me that I agree with you, and feel that we just should wipe her out of the face of this earth, but it is still what looks like gross neglect.. I don't know if you by chance remember about 5 or 6 years ago in Tampa, FL about a guy who was arrested, and had a key to the handcuffs in his pockets, opened them and ended up killing 3 or 4 more people after arrested, well, the girlfriend was indicted convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment for the fact that she lied to everyone and hid the fact that her BOYFRIEND was extremely dangerous. I would not have petty on people who do this, thinking that is ok to put other people in danger without responsibility, but that does not mean they deserve death. Just my .02 Blue skies"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mrboombosstic 0 #30 June 26, 2003 i completely understand where your coming from. If it wasn't for the fact she went out and asked if he was ok...perhaps my thoughts would be different. Procrastination is like masturbation it feels good while your doing it but in the end you realize your only fucking urself Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moodyskydiver 0 #31 June 26, 2003 QuoteBut doesn't the death penalty requires that the indictment be Murder 1? Where ther was actually intent and premeditation... If I remember from my Criminal Justice prof correctly, the death penalty can be sought by committing 1st degree murder,capital murder,and/or murder while committing a felony. I'm pretty sure on it,but dont feel like getting my stuff from class outta my truck and looking up the details.I'll correct myself if I'm wrong. I haven't heard if they are seeking the death penalty or not in this case...anyone else heard anything?I haven't followed the case closely. "...just an earthbound misfit, I." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #32 June 26, 2003 QuoteQuoteBut doesn't the death penalty requires that the indictment be Murder 1? Where ther was actually intent and premeditation... I haven't heard if they are seeking the death penalty or not in this case...anyone else heard anything?I haven't followed the case closely. No need to correct yourself, is just that if you read the thread, most want to just inject/sit to fry her ASAP.... I thinkk DA is seeking somewhere around 25-30..."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
guesswhere 0 #33 June 26, 2003 that's not a fact according to the news.... they say he was dead withing 2 hours of the accident. clicky from the original post (EDIT to add... i'd still think she should fry ) ------- ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
w4p2 0 #34 June 26, 2003 Quote It turned into a lethal injection ----------------------------------------------------------- Too bad. Would have been nice to have her hanging around a bit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites guesswhere 0 #35 June 26, 2003 screw "why don't we still do death by public hanging"... my question is "what ever happened to death by hammer?" ------- ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #36 June 26, 2003 [bat] Yep, lets fry her anyways....."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mrboombosstic 0 #37 June 26, 2003 Altho it wasn't legal, a woman in punta gorda florida was actually beaten to death by a sledge hammer recently. Procrastination is like masturbation it feels good while your doing it but in the end you realize your only fucking urself Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #38 June 26, 2003 Quotemy question is "what ever happened to death by hammer?" They still have that. Hell, a couple of kids lured their friend into a park by promising him sex and then killed him with a hammer and hatchet for his pay check so they could buy some drugs and party. http://kyw.com/siteSearch/local_story_170100834.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CrazyIvan 0 #39 June 26, 2003 Guilty!!!!__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites txblondie 0 #40 June 26, 2003 So, the guilty verdict came in after only 50 minutes of deliberation this morning, along with a tampering with evidence charge. Yet, they are only seeking life in prison, not the death sentence. Now, I'm not a huge fan of the death penalty, but this woman is going to spend the rest of her life in a prison with 3 square meals a day, a roof over her head, and clothes to wear, all paid for by taxpayers. Is this fair? I don't think so!!! ***************************************** Blondes do have more fun! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #41 June 26, 2003 Quotethis woman is going to spend the rest of her life in a prison with 3 square meals a day, a roof over her head, and clothes to wear, all paid for by taxpayers. Is this fair? I don't think so!!! Take a look at the cost of a death penalty trial. Life in prison is cheaper for the tax payers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #42 June 26, 2003 Once again, see my post about public hangings.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites txblondie 0 #43 June 26, 2003 QuoteOnce again, see my post about public hangings. Yes, that's true. The cost of purchasing a rope and paying a hangman would be far outweighed by the money that would be made at the festivities! ***************************************** Blondes do have more fun! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #44 June 26, 2003 And the money saved by a very public very real deterant. edit: That money I'm talking about is the money that is spent to house/feed/etc crimals and the extreme amount of money it takes to kill the ones that have been ruled to die.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #45 June 26, 2003 QuoteOnce again, see my post about public hangings. It's the cost of the trial, not the method of execution. There's only one reason for executions, to make people feel satisfied that they've gotten retribution. There is a multitude of proof out there that the death penalty does not deter crime nor save tax payers money. State sponsored killing to make people feel good is pretty despicable, IMO. I'm not a passivist bleeding heart. Killing someone to stop them from hurting you, no problem with that. There are a couple people that I've personally felt needed to be killed in revenge for their actions. But that's a personal emotion and I didn't act on it. The state is just sanitizing the same thing and making it easier for people to swallow because it's "the law". But morally, it just comes down to revenge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #46 June 26, 2003 Please read my last post.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SBS 0 #47 June 26, 2003 I don't get it...we complain about the homeless problems in the United States and then we complain when there is one less homeless person...this lady is a patriot...she did this country and our economy a service and is now on trial for murder. It's a sick world we live in. I for one am going to pay her tribute and show my support by getting f*&%ed up and running down homeless people. -S_____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #48 June 26, 2003 QuoteQuoteOnce again, see my post about public hangings. It's the cost of the trial, not the method of execution. There's only one reason for executions, to make people feel satisfied that they've gotten retribution. There is a multitude of proof out there that the death penalty does not deter crime nor save tax payers money. State sponsored killing to make people feel good is pretty despicable, IMO. I'm not a passivist bleeding heart. Killing someone to stop them from hurting you, no problem with that. There are a couple people that I've personally felt needed to be killed in revenge for their actions. But that's a personal emotion and I didn't act on it. The state is just sanitizing the same thing and making it easier for people to swallow because it's "the law". But morally, it just comes down to revenge. I agree in concept with what you're saying (i.e. cost/effect vs. deterrent) but doesn't Texas have very restricting laws about how much you can appeal? Now, your argument holds true for California, where a death sentence is symbolic at best nowadays. How long has it been since CA executed a death-row felon?So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #49 June 26, 2003 In a 1987 study covering a period between 1900 to 1985, it was found that 350 people were wrongly convicted and sentenced to death; 23 of these people were executed. Radelet, Bedau, and Putnam 'In Spite of innocence' (1992) A 1992 Dallas Morning News study found that the cost to Texas taxpayers of a capital trial and all subsequent appeals is an average of $2.3 million per case. This Figure does not include the cost of the federal appeals process where 50 % to 70% of the death sentences are overturned. (By comparison, the cost of housing an inmate in a single cell maximum security unit for life is approximately $750,000. Since 1990, only 5 countries have executed people for crimes committed as children: Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, and USA. The USA has executed more than the other 4 combined. Texas allows for the execution of people with mental retardation, a condition indicated by an IQ of 70 or below: Johnny Ray Anderson (IQ 70), 5/17/90; Billy Dwayne White (IQ 66-69), 4/23/92; Mario Marquez (IQ 65). 1/17/95; and Terry Washington (IQ 69), 5/06/97. Larry Robison (Texas death row) was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia long before he committed the murders for which he was convicted, but his family was unable to convince state authorities he was a danger. (Lois Robison) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chopchop 0 #50 June 26, 2003 QuoteI don't get it...we complain about the homeless problems in the United States and then we complain when there is one less homeless person...this lady is a patriot...she did this country and our economy a service and is now on trial for murder. It's a sick world we live in. 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guesswhere 0 #35 June 26, 2003 screw "why don't we still do death by public hanging"... my question is "what ever happened to death by hammer?" ------- ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #36 June 26, 2003 [bat] Yep, lets fry her anyways....."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mrboombosstic 0 #37 June 26, 2003 Altho it wasn't legal, a woman in punta gorda florida was actually beaten to death by a sledge hammer recently. Procrastination is like masturbation it feels good while your doing it but in the end you realize your only fucking urself Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #38 June 26, 2003 Quotemy question is "what ever happened to death by hammer?" They still have that. Hell, a couple of kids lured their friend into a park by promising him sex and then killed him with a hammer and hatchet for his pay check so they could buy some drugs and party. http://kyw.com/siteSearch/local_story_170100834.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #39 June 26, 2003 Guilty!!!!__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
txblondie 0 #40 June 26, 2003 So, the guilty verdict came in after only 50 minutes of deliberation this morning, along with a tampering with evidence charge. Yet, they are only seeking life in prison, not the death sentence. Now, I'm not a huge fan of the death penalty, but this woman is going to spend the rest of her life in a prison with 3 square meals a day, a roof over her head, and clothes to wear, all paid for by taxpayers. Is this fair? I don't think so!!! ***************************************** Blondes do have more fun! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #41 June 26, 2003 Quotethis woman is going to spend the rest of her life in a prison with 3 square meals a day, a roof over her head, and clothes to wear, all paid for by taxpayers. Is this fair? I don't think so!!! Take a look at the cost of a death penalty trial. Life in prison is cheaper for the tax payers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #42 June 26, 2003 Once again, see my post about public hangings.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
txblondie 0 #43 June 26, 2003 QuoteOnce again, see my post about public hangings. Yes, that's true. The cost of purchasing a rope and paying a hangman would be far outweighed by the money that would be made at the festivities! ***************************************** Blondes do have more fun! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #44 June 26, 2003 And the money saved by a very public very real deterant. edit: That money I'm talking about is the money that is spent to house/feed/etc crimals and the extreme amount of money it takes to kill the ones that have been ruled to die.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #45 June 26, 2003 QuoteOnce again, see my post about public hangings. It's the cost of the trial, not the method of execution. There's only one reason for executions, to make people feel satisfied that they've gotten retribution. There is a multitude of proof out there that the death penalty does not deter crime nor save tax payers money. State sponsored killing to make people feel good is pretty despicable, IMO. I'm not a passivist bleeding heart. Killing someone to stop them from hurting you, no problem with that. There are a couple people that I've personally felt needed to be killed in revenge for their actions. But that's a personal emotion and I didn't act on it. The state is just sanitizing the same thing and making it easier for people to swallow because it's "the law". But morally, it just comes down to revenge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #46 June 26, 2003 Please read my last post.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBS 0 #47 June 26, 2003 I don't get it...we complain about the homeless problems in the United States and then we complain when there is one less homeless person...this lady is a patriot...she did this country and our economy a service and is now on trial for murder. It's a sick world we live in. I for one am going to pay her tribute and show my support by getting f*&%ed up and running down homeless people. -S_____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #48 June 26, 2003 QuoteQuoteOnce again, see my post about public hangings. It's the cost of the trial, not the method of execution. There's only one reason for executions, to make people feel satisfied that they've gotten retribution. There is a multitude of proof out there that the death penalty does not deter crime nor save tax payers money. State sponsored killing to make people feel good is pretty despicable, IMO. I'm not a passivist bleeding heart. Killing someone to stop them from hurting you, no problem with that. There are a couple people that I've personally felt needed to be killed in revenge for their actions. But that's a personal emotion and I didn't act on it. The state is just sanitizing the same thing and making it easier for people to swallow because it's "the law". But morally, it just comes down to revenge. I agree in concept with what you're saying (i.e. cost/effect vs. deterrent) but doesn't Texas have very restricting laws about how much you can appeal? Now, your argument holds true for California, where a death sentence is symbolic at best nowadays. How long has it been since CA executed a death-row felon?So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #49 June 26, 2003 In a 1987 study covering a period between 1900 to 1985, it was found that 350 people were wrongly convicted and sentenced to death; 23 of these people were executed. Radelet, Bedau, and Putnam 'In Spite of innocence' (1992) A 1992 Dallas Morning News study found that the cost to Texas taxpayers of a capital trial and all subsequent appeals is an average of $2.3 million per case. This Figure does not include the cost of the federal appeals process where 50 % to 70% of the death sentences are overturned. (By comparison, the cost of housing an inmate in a single cell maximum security unit for life is approximately $750,000. Since 1990, only 5 countries have executed people for crimes committed as children: Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, and USA. The USA has executed more than the other 4 combined. Texas allows for the execution of people with mental retardation, a condition indicated by an IQ of 70 or below: Johnny Ray Anderson (IQ 70), 5/17/90; Billy Dwayne White (IQ 66-69), 4/23/92; Mario Marquez (IQ 65). 1/17/95; and Terry Washington (IQ 69), 5/06/97. Larry Robison (Texas death row) was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia long before he committed the murders for which he was convicted, but his family was unable to convince state authorities he was a danger. (Lois Robison) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chopchop 0 #50 June 26, 2003 QuoteI don't get it...we complain about the homeless problems in the United States and then we complain when there is one less homeless person...this lady is a patriot...she did this country and our economy a service and is now on trial for murder. It's a sick world we live in. I for one am going to pay her tribute and show my support by getting f*&%ed up and running down homeless people. -S hmmmm... ok, just don't use any company vehicles.. ok? please? chopchop gotta go... Plaything needs a spanking.. Lotsa Pictures Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
