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I'm O- too. What are some foods you found that are good this type and what foods are not (in addition to bread).
Thanks! Di
Thanks! Di
if your body is capable of processing it without any long term ill effects you are not "harming" your body..any more than your "harming" yourself from any other normal digestion process. Even something as “evil” as smoking causes NO HARM if kept to levels that the lungs can accommodate & process
Nobody can tell how long it's going to take their bodies to process the saturated fats from that Twinkie before it's okay to have those French fries. And, even in moderation, it still affects your body fat percentage and your cholesterol level.
People's lungs around here can't process the pollution in the air as it is, so yes, even one cigarette is harmfull.
You do realize that in larger amounts than the body is accustomed to deal with (ie can process effectively) both O2 and H20 are “toxins”
Yes, that I know. However, most people don't have to worry about drinking too much water. Most people don't have to think about cutting back on water.
Which is the key to any eating program, balancing what you ingest with your body’s ability to process it. Some things have lower/higher levels of “moderate” than others..
I completely understand moderation. I sometimes break down (okay, a few times this week, but it generally is a rare instance) and buy a cookie. I am fully aware that this cookie does nothing for me. I understand that anything I'm getting from this cookie that may be good (sometimes, it's an oatmeal cookie) I can get from somewhere else. People should view red meat the same way.
There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning
I'm O- too. What are some foods you found that are good this type and what foods are not (in addition to bread).
Well....I just stick with high protein low fat meats like Pork, chicken, and fish mostly. I eat red meat maybe 1 or two times per week. I keep the bread and ESPECIALLY pasta to a minimum. Try to throw in a fair amount of veggies when I can. That's hard for me since I'm not big on eating veggies. Since I have a job that requires travel constantly it can be tough to eat right. I have just learned to do things like eat sandwiches by picking the meat and veggies off and leaving the bread. The other day I was starving and all they had left was pasta. It tasted great ( I love Italian food) but I thought my stomach was going to explode. The more I avoid bread and pasta the worse my stomach feels when I eat it. I'm really wondering if I don't have some kind of allergy to it or something.
Thanks! I'm gonna try to lay off the pasta and breads for a while. I bet it will help me. I thought I had a wheat allergy but the allergist tested me and said I wasn't allergic to it. I just eat too much of it and then feel yucky!
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I am fully aware that this cookie does nothing for me. I understand that anything I'm getting from this cookie that may be good (sometimes, it's an oatmeal cookie) I can get from somewhere else. People should view red meat the same way.
but see with red meat thats just not completely true..It DOES lots for you. As much (or more from a single source) as any other single vegetarian diet item..yes you can get all that protein in other places, but not one single place. Pick another single food source that you can survive on as well (healthy fitness test standpoint) and for as long as having a herd of deer nearby..
cutting back on red meat would certainly help alot of people eat better, and live longer, however i would definitely wager there are other places in their diet where making changes would be far more effective and far less traumatic to what their body (and their tastes) have become accustomed to..
much of the "red meat is bad" stigma in the vegetarian circles comes from the fact mammals are cuter than poultry, so we shouldnt eat as many..
People's lungs around here can't process the pollution in the air as it is, so yes, even one cigarette is harmful.
no that one cigarette is only harmful in addition to the other pollutants they ingest everyday..just as with the meat example its about your total intake, not about a single specific source of any “toxin”... the holistic approach to living… choosing not to smoke wont prolong your life much if you also chose to live next to a factory.. (or in LA
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Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.
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I just eat too much of it and then feel yucky!
I know how you feel. I'm the EXACT same way. Don't get too overboard with it though. I remember one day that I had to walk about 4 miles to get my hair cut. I had been REALLY avoiding all carbs. Well...about halfway through the walk I wanted to fall over with hunger and lack of energy. So...don't totally cut them out but it sounds like you could do with a lot less. I know I feel many times better now.
"I remember one day that I had to walk about 4 miles to get my hair cut."
Uphill and barefooted in the snow, too, huh? (What was that old McDonalds commercial - "feet, you had feet?")
Seriously, thanks for the nutrition advice!
Uphill and barefooted in the snow, too, huh? (What was that old McDonalds commercial - "feet, you had feet?")
Seriously, thanks for the nutrition advice!
Quote from one of the tv shows over here -
"I only eat red meat. The way I see it, the cow's eaten all the greens I ever need !!"
"I only eat red meat. The way I see it, the cow's eaten all the greens I ever need !!"
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yes you can get all that protein in other places, but not one single place. Pick another single food source that you can survive on as well (healthy fitness test standpoint) and for as long as having a herd of deer nearby..
If you are going by calorie-wise, fish would work just fine. You will get your recommended protein and iron in, plus you can get all sorts of other nutrients like iodine. Soy also has tons of protein. I know people are on this high-protein craze, but you can get your needed amount just fine without red meat.
i would definitely wager there are other places in their diet where making changes would be far more effective and far less traumatic to what their body (and their tastes) have become accustomed to..
I don't think not eating red meat is traumatic; I doubt anybody's body would flip out by not having red meat in them. I think there are a few other areas which people should also cut back on which would have similar effects. I don't think red meat is any less important than other means of healthy living (ie not drinking, not smoking, not eating foods high in fat, exercising and drinking plenty of water.) Together, yes, they will all have a profound effect. Doing only one thing to improve your health may not do much, though. Someone who drinks and smokes all the time probably won't live a long life just because they don't eat red meat. Also, how many billions and billions has McDonald's served by now? Most do not eat red meat "in moderation," and most do not realize just how bad it is for you.
no that one cigarette is only harmful in addition to the other pollutants they ingest everyday..just as with the meat example its about your total intake, not about a single specific source of any “toxin”
I agree. If you live a healthy life, having a burger once every other month won't really do anything to you (although, it would probably make you feel sick.)
much of the "red meat is bad" stigma in the vegetarian circles comes from the fact mammals are cuter than poultry, so we shouldnt eat as many..
Maybe. Also it hurts the planet to raise cows as food. It hurts the planet with other animals as well, but more so with cows.
Sigh (this isn't directed at you, Zenister)....people do try to ignore the evil things that red meat can do by pointing out the few good things it may do. I wish people would read something on here and learn from it....it might not be the normal thing to do...change isn't easy....instead of people considering something that might be better for them, they have the attitude that they don't care, they're doing just fine, etc etc etc.
There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning
Uphill and barefooted in the snow, too, huh?
Actually it was in the Southern New Mexico desert. It wasn't so bad though. It was in either Feb or Mar so the weather was quite pleasant.
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Sigh (this isn't directed at you, Zenister)....people do try to ignore the evil things that red meat can do by pointing out the few good things it may do. I wish people would read something on here and learn from it....it might not be the normal thing to do...change isn't easy....instead of people considering something that might be better for them, they have the attitude that they don't care, they're doing just fine, etc etc etc.
oh I never take any discussion like this personally, and completely agree far to many people don’t examine anything and disregard everything that might mean they should change..
I guess the point I’m most trying to make is that, as far an efficient foods red meat, beats out most every other food source for overall value. In both time & ease of preparation (none if circumstances really require it), size/weight per calorie value and the ability for the human body to function (and more than function, thrive in a stressful enviroment) soley on it as a single source, than meat.
Sure we’ve come up with some wonderful energy bars/drinks etc to supplement and/or replace meat as a mainstay. However you really have to consider the vast industrial complex required to produce those foods in quantity, and then compare them to the simplicity of a man with a knife and a bit of salt…
This is not to say there are not serious environmental issues that need to be addressed in relation to the way we as a culture mass produce our meat & dairy products in general..
I almost don’t want to get started on “lactose intolerant” sure some people have a real physical problem, however most have simply become unaccustomed to drinking it and seem to think they have an actual medical condition. If you don’t want to eat milk or cheese (life without cheese!?!? WTF?) that’s cool, but how many people were “lactose intolerant” 20 years ago when dairy was a staple of the diet??
edit: BTW i agree with Sunny.. you can eat mcdonalds once and a while and still be a vegetarian because what they serve isnt really meat..certainly not what i'm talking about when i say meat..
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Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.
Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.
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With all due respect Val, red meat is food. Its not evil. Even a Big Mac or Wopper isnt evil. It may not be that good for you, but its not evil.
Remster
It may not be that good for you, but its not evil.
Now..killing the cow for fun and then not eating it.....that would be evil.
Mr Burns at the "Kill your own cow Steak house": "And that one.....and that one...and that one......Hmmmm...No. I think I'll just have a salad."
With all due respect Val, red meat is food. Its not evil. Even a Big Mac or Wopper isnt evil. It may not be that good for you, but its not evil.
Oh no! You should've seen the burger I ate about 4 yrs ago! It was the first burger I had in 5 months or so, and I vomitted everywhere! I would chalk it up to food poisoning, except nobody else got sick, and I don't think I'm special! Anything that makes me ill is evil! Certain forms of alcohol are evil, too (The Captain comes to mind....)
Sure we’ve come up with some wonderful energy bars/drinks etc to supplement and/or replace meat as a mainstay.
A few of them are wonderful. Amy got me in on Kashi bars and shakes! They fill me up, and they give me energy! They're also loaded with protein and fiber! Don't be dissing my bars...
I guess the point I’m most trying to make is that, as far an efficient foods red meat, beats out most every other food source for overall value.
Hmm...I'm still not sold on that one.
There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning
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It was the first burger I had in 5 months or so, and I vomitted everywhere! I would chalk it up to food poisoning, except nobody else got sick, and I don't think I'm special!
That is a matter of acclimitizing to a non-beef diet, not anything inherently wrong with the beef itself. I haven't had a caffeinated soda in about a year. If I were to drink one now, I'd have the jitters all night. That doesn't mean that the soda is poisenous, or that it would have the same effect on everyone. It is just that my body has grown used to an equilibrium without caffeine. If I had some, it would be thrown off, until it established a new equilibrium.
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Sure we’ve come up with some wonderful energy bars/drinks etc to supplement and/or replace meat as a mainstay.
A few of them are wonderful. Amy got me in on Kashi bars and shakes! They fill me up, and they give me energy! They're also loaded with protein and fiber! Don't be dissing my bars...
i'm not knocking energy bars, i love them, but it is MUCH harder to make each bar than it is to salt a slab of deer and carry it into the hills for a month or two..
I guess the point I’m most trying to make is that, as far an efficient foods red meat, beats out most every other food source for overall value.
Hmm...I'm still not sold on that one.
ok find me another food that is as nutritious, has as many calories, is as easy to acquire, prepare and preserve by weight & volume as red meat. I say red meat because it certainly takes less time to kill a large moose than to catch an equal weight of fish for the same benefits.
pretend we are going into the wasteland and you can only eat what you carry..now assuming we can carry equal amounts (and have the same calorie requirements) what food are you bringing?
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Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.
Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.
Hey - thanks for the reminder. That's what I need - caffeine. I was wondering what was wrong with me. Gotta get that Red Bull I have in the fridge.
saw that book in a bookstore. It looked like a bunch of trendy bullshit to me.I read excerps from a book about certain diets for certain blood types. I'm O- and it said I'm all carnivore.
Why do people want diet books with a gimmicky slant to them??
I'll bet you could market a diet book based on eating certain healthy foods according to say, your zodiac sign, and it would sell really well.
But if you just had a book about using common sense & eating healthy, it would probably sit on the shelves.
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I wasn't saying it's "bad" for you per se. It's just that I love bread....but my body really doesn't like it too much. When I ate all the bread I wanted my metabolism was INCREDIBLY slow. Now that I mostly avoid bread....I can eat what most would consider "normal" amounts of food. I went an entire year or so once eating only 1 meal per day. Without the bread I'm much better off. My digestive system is just weird like that. I read excerps from a book about certain diets for certain blood types. I'm O- and it said I'm all carnivore. Seems to work for me....
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