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If ya don't like them sue happy people, you can always move into a log cabin in Nome, AK. Not many sue-happy people there.
Anyone want to open a DZ there?
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Anyone want to open a DZ there?
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QuoteNTSB reports are privileged are may not be used in evidence in civil lawsuits. So it doesn't matter what NTSB says about responsibility, the court will never get to hear it.
We aren't talking about NTSB reports. We are talking about the FAA not taking immediate action against Rod when they certainly could have if they thought there was an immediate threat.
NTSB reports may not be allowed in court. But they certainly do have a way of bringing all the same info into court that is identical to the report. I caught a lot of stuff off a lawyer's website about AA 1420 at Little Rock, AR. MD-80 skidded off the end of the runway during a thunderstorm.
The report iself may not be allowed. But it sure will lay the pathway for PIs to get the same info.
Chris
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QuoteOh man... just don't let those golf carts get close to me on mah bi-cycle!
That's why there were cars on all 4 sides of Camp Colorado. Most of us had been involved in/witnessed golf cart mishaps.
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skybytch 273
QuoteOne reason I can't stand California.
This from a guy who lives in Georgia... the word "cracker" comes to mind.
Really, Clay. You oughta come out here sometime and let me show you "my" California. There are a lot of beautiful places and a lot of really cool people here. LA assholes and SF weirdos aren't all there is to California, just like white robes and burning crosses aren't all there is to Georgia.
QuoteQuoteOh man... just don't let those golf carts get close to me on mah bi-cycle!
That's why there were cars on all 4 sides of Camp Colorado. Most of us had been involved in/witnessed golf cart mishaps.
Hmm... speaking of waivers...
GOLF CARTS CAN KILL. BY OPERATING A GOLF CART, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT AS THE OPERATOR, YOU MAY MAIM OR KILL YOURSELF OR OTHERS NEER YA.
The road rash has healed up nicely, by the way.
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Hey Lisa..
Will you show me your California? (imagines a bubble bath drinking Merlot with 'da Bytch)
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Will you show me your California? (imagines a bubble bath drinking Merlot with 'da Bytch)
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nws01 0
QuoteYou oughta come out here sometime and let me show you "my" California.
If Clay went to Perris he would never leave. It is that good of a place. I wanna go baclk!
"...aren't all there is to Georgia. "
The trailer for Deliverance stated that it was not a documentary.
The trailer for Deliverance stated that it was not a documentary.
skybytch 273
Quoteimagines a bubble bath drinking Merlot with 'da Bytch
Replace "bubble bath" with "redwood hot tub" and "Merlot" with "microbrewery beer" and we'll talk
kallend 2,106
QuoteQuoteNTSB reports are privileged are may not be used in evidence in civil lawsuits. So it doesn't matter what NTSB says about responsibility, the court will never get to hear it.
We aren't talking about NTSB reports. We are talking about the FAA not taking immediate action against Rod when they certainly could have if they thought there was an immediate threat.
NTSB reports may not be allowed in court. But they certainly do have a way of bringing all the same info into court that is identical to the report. I caught a lot of stuff off a lawyer's website about AA 1420 at Little Rock, AR. MD-80 skidded off the end of the runway during a thunderstorm.
The report iself may not be allowed. But it sure will lay the pathway for PIs to get the same info.
Chris
The evidence is available to anyone. However, what I said is that any conclusion about responsibility or what the evidence means reached by NTSB will never be heard in court. The jury will have to form its own conclusion on that, and the jury will not be comprised of experienced accident investigators.
Similarly, any action (or lack thereof) by FAA is not evidence.
Quote"...aren't all there is to Georgia. "
The trailer for Deliverance stated that it was not a documentary.
Georgia & Miss are the reasons why I AVOID East Texas like the plague! When I hear the Texas tourism motto: "It's a Whole Other Country" I keep thinking of Deliverence every time I get near all them trailers near Lake Livingston in those piney woods.
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QuoteQuoteimagines a bubble bath drinking Merlot with 'da Bytch
Replace "bubble bath" with "redwood hot tub" and "Merlot" with "microbrewery beer" and we'll talk
Baby, your wish is my demand!
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nws01 0
QuoteWhat is the future of WFFC?
Ask Bill Von remember he has the time machine that he let HH use.
"I keep thinking of Deliverence every time I get near all them trailers near Lake Livingston in those piney woods. "
Those boys in Deliverance were just "misunderstood". They were just tryin' to be friendly.
Those boys in Deliverance were just "misunderstood". They were just tryin' to be friendly.
Deuce 1
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Easy there, Bytchwoman.
I'd like to back up to page one. You sue for compensation for a loss. If someone is negligent and causes you injury, they should pay your medical bills and lost wages. Period.
Lawyers have managed to put a price on pain and suffering that has increased judgements.
PUNITIVE judgements were intended to send a message to an industry.
A brother-in-law has suffered no loss compensable by money. If I get whacked-out, my wife and children will suffer my loss of income, and the negligent party must pay my survivors that amount. I give my mom a little money every month, and she'd have a claim too. But nobody else is suffering a financial loss by my death. I actually think they shouldn't sue, and shouldn't have grounds to sue because I'm insured to replace my income.
I don't think a brother-in-law will have grounds to sue, and I doubt there is actually a case.
I disagree about the FAA action not being evidence. I don't think they have the protection (if you can call it that) like the NTSB does. I think that if they suspended Rod's pilot certificate or took his medical (much easier to do) then that can be entered into evidence.
My comment about the FAA not taking action is a comment to all that may have doubts about what happened. The FAA certainly could have acted within their rights in a very high profile case (like they did with Bob Hoover and he didn't even kill anyone) but chose not to. Now the Bob Hoover case is all bogus I know. But it shows what powers they do have. Bob didn't get his medical back for a few years. The same could have been done to Rod. But was not.
Chris
My comment about the FAA not taking action is a comment to all that may have doubts about what happened. The FAA certainly could have acted within their rights in a very high profile case (like they did with Bob Hoover and he didn't even kill anyone) but chose not to. Now the Bob Hoover case is all bogus I know. But it shows what powers they do have. Bob didn't get his medical back for a few years. The same could have been done to Rod. But was not.
Chris
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One reason I can't stand California.
This from a guy who lives in Georgia... the word "cracker" comes to mind.
Really, Clay. You oughta come out here sometime and let me show you "my" California. There are a lot of beautiful places and a lot of really cool people here. LA assholes and SF weirdos aren't all there is to California, just like white robes and burning crosses aren't all there is to Georgia.
Yeeeeehaaaw! Clay, you got 'em "Yosemeetee Sam - Back Off" mudflaps on your Chevy Truck like I do? How about the gun rack. You pack a loaded .45 in your glove compartment? Us Southern Boys otta' stick together
jraf
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Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui.
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QuoteThere are a lot of beautiful places and a lot of really cool people here. LA assholes and SF weirdos aren't all there is to California, just like white robes and burning crosses aren't all there is to Georgia.
Oh I enjoy visiting. After a week or so it's time to go. Maybe it's just my sister's "crowd" are the liberal people I can't stand. Seems I always get in some sort of verbal pissing match with one of them over "gun control," abortion, whatever. I find I get along with people in Montana a lot better. The motto out there is "Don't bother me and I won't bother you. Bother me and I'll break out my arsenal."
White Robes? Burning crosses? Hey...that was just a "social" gathering. Actually, I think those days are pretty far gone. I remember that stuff when I was a kid but.....don't see any of it now. In fact...as a white, 30 year old, male I'm pretty much like a minority here. It's the "New South" remember. New State flag and everything.
Quoteyou got 'em "Yosemeetee Sam - Back Off" mudflaps on your Chevy Truck like I do? How about the gun rack. You pack a loaded .45 in your glove compartment? Us Southern Boys otta' stick together
Well...no mud flaps on my Jeep but yes...there is a Ruger .40 S&W in the console.
I do live in Atlanta after all.....![[:/]](/uploads/emoticons/dry.png "[:/]"){kind=small}
Skydivers can keep most (take note, I did not say "ALL") of this fishing-for-dollars litigation at bay by buying the proper life insurance coverage. Yes, it is expensive... but if you go in you won't take your DZ out with you. At minimum, you should get coverage to cover all your current and future outstanding liabilities, and all the costs associated with putting you 6ft. feet under. You don't have to leave a huge endowment fund with the check or will yourself a mosoleum.
Most life insurance companies vary about how much they will charge for their General Aviation rider (which is the coverage you are looking for to cover aviation disasters and accidents). The premiums vary WIDELY, and some GA riders explicitly exclude skydiving, instead offering an "extreme sports" rider that's higher. Shop around.
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Most life insurance companies vary about how much they will charge for their General Aviation rider (which is the coverage you are looking for to cover aviation disasters and accidents). The premiums vary WIDELY, and some GA riders explicitly exclude skydiving, instead offering an "extreme sports" rider that's higher. Shop around.
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Jimbo 0
QuoteHowever, rec.skydiving is about the last place I would go to discuss anything. I wouldn't read it, much less get drawn into debate with the posters. The people there showed an incredible lack of compassion for the death of a human being and fellow skydiver. Let’s try to set a better example.
How much compassion are we to show someone who damn near killed an entire load of jumpers, a pilot, and co-pilot? Come on, this guy stepped in front of a moving helicopter putting not only his life in jeopardy, but the lives of everyone on the helicopter as well. It's unfortunate that he died, but he gets no compassion from me and neither does his now lawsuit happy family.
QuoteThem suing does not simply mean they are “money-grubbing”. They lost a family member forever. Perhaps they feel some safety measure needs to be enforced and a lawsuit will bring about the change.
Additional safety measures like keeping their selfish family (or ex family) member from putting himself and an entire load of jumpers and crew in danger? No safety measure in the world will prevent the truly stupid from injuring themselves or others.
QuoteGary is a reasonable guy. Since nothing we do right now can change things, I’d ask you just to give him the benefit of the doubt before you judge him. If there is more to the story, wait until you hear it.
Gary was asked several times on rec.skydiving to provide us with any additional information, every time he declined. Gary will be judged by his peers, in this case skydivers. If Gary wants to be judged on 'all the facts' as he sees them then it would be prudent for him to provide 'all the facts'.
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Good bye, my friends. You are missed.
Good bye, my friends. You are missed.
Well...we do. The biggest problem is that it's a very complicated issue. Many states have inacted award limits on law suits. Unfortunately, sometimes people ARE due huge sums of money. You don't want to screw them. So, in a legal sense it's pretty hard to do any filtering. That SHOULD be done by judges and juries. Unfortunately, "Law is the bastard child of justice."
The "Far Right" calls them "Sheeople" I tend to agree with them on that issue. Yes, VERY SCARY. One reason I can't stand California. Lots of them there.
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