scottd818 0 #1 February 24, 2012 I'm putting together my first rig and just wanted to get everyones opinion on which AAD to buy and why. Blue Skies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
philly51 0 #2 February 24, 2012 Well, I guess it's unanimous. Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, Shouting "...holy shit...what a ride!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #3 February 24, 2012 The Cypres2 has the best record in terms of safety and reliability. It's also the most expensive, has a limited life span, and requires two maintenance checks during that life. It's hard to make the ecominic argument when your life is on the line. Over the course of the 12 year life, the total cost of ownership is about $150/year, so we're not talking about a fortune. In 2012, it's roughly the cost of one days jumping per year to keep a Cypres2 in your rig. Split the difference, and sleep in on two jump days per year, and your Cypres2 is paid for. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scottd818 0 #4 February 24, 2012 im suprised to see a vote for argus. I would be really curious to hear from who ever voted for it as to why. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBCOOPER 5 #5 February 25, 2012 Best AAD? The one that saves your life when you need it to.Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #6 February 25, 2012 QuoteBest AAD? The one that saves your life when you need it to. I think you meant to say, the one that's most likely to save your life when you need it to. And among the listed options, there definitely are differences in those odds. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShcShc11 0 #7 February 25, 2012 Both Cypress and Vigil will do the job. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DoZ3r 0 #8 February 25, 2012 Personal choise.. Cypres2.. But would also jump with Vigil... Or without for that matter... Would not go for Argus... And untill the Mars starts getting some manufactures approvement, that one is no go for me aswell...If everything seems under control.. You're just not going fast enough..! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spikes2020 0 #9 February 27, 2012 I think this pole is broken, there was no boobies selection... I thought i read in the requirments that if any pole was established it would have this option... See http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4275779;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread Also, not 100% on this but you could almost change the name to "What ADD did you buy" and get the same results...Cheers Jon W Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #10 February 28, 2012 Quoteim suprised to see a vote for argus. I would be really curious to hear from who ever voted for it as to why. I jump an Argus, and while I did not vote for it here, I have no doubt in my mind it is as good as the rest. [/can of worms]=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksimsf 0 #11 January 31, 2013 bumping up an old thread. I was searching for all that cypress vs vigil threads and I just want to voice my personal opinion on why I choose Cypress 2 over Vigil 2. I've been building, fixing, upgrading PC's since mid 90 as my hobby and I do similar stuff for a living now. I do not have an experience with skydiving equipment, but I do have a lot with computers. I've seen a lot of machines from well known or not so known manufacturers that go past P.O.S.T. without any issues, but fail to boot, freeze, randomly restarted or just not working properly. 4 and 8 years check gives me a lot of confidence that something that was overlooked by QC guys is going to be noticed/fixed. Or if I wansn't taking care of my rig properly and unit/cutter got damaged or rusted ect. Difference in annual cost to own is only $65 a year. I agree that vigil is the great unit, but I made my choice. Max Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeonLights 0 #12 January 31, 2013 you have to factor in the 12.5 year paper weight aspect of owning a cypres.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chedlin 0 #13 January 31, 2013 I have a great deal of experience with what you are saying, but I've also seen PC's that worked fine 95% of the time and then croak. Never to fail any diagnostics test and not failing reliably enough to diagnose. You take your best guess and wait 3 weeks to see if it craps out again... As such I'm not so optimistic about the 4 year service interval. With the Vigil you can get readouts of the sensor values. The complexity is several orders of magnitude lower than a PC so a power on test can be a lot more thorough. Can someone with detailed knowledge indicate what Airtec actually tests on the checkup? Or would that be a trade secret? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #15 January 31, 2013 QuoteI have a great deal of experience with what you are saying, but I've also seen PC's that worked fine 95% of the time and then croak. Never to fail any diagnostics test and not failing reliably enough to diagnose. You take your best guess and wait 3 weeks to see if it craps out again... As such I'm not so optimistic about the 4 year service interval. With the Vigil you can get readouts of the sensor values. The complexity is several orders of magnitude lower than a PC so a power on test can be a lot more thorough. Can someone with detailed knowledge indicate what Airtec actually tests on the checkup? Or would that be a trade secret? My memory is that the Airtek, or SSK website has details of what happens during the check. It includes checking the activation near the limits of the firing parameters, and subjecting the unit to vibration and temperature conditions that might go a long way toward resolving the sort of "no fault found" that you speak of when trying to diagnose a personal computer's intermittent fault.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #16 January 31, 2013 http://cypres-usa.com/english_maintenance.pdfYesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #17 January 31, 2013 Quotehttp://cypres-usa.com/english_maintenance.pdf Yes, that's the one. Thanks for finding that. A self test is very limited in relation to this, and a single crude test done in an altitude chamber (like what an FXC pin puller requires) is trivial in comparison. It should be remembered that some units that fail the series of tests done during a 4 year check were doing just fine during every self test, meaning that the units had flaws that a self test cannot find. The possibility of such flaws being present is not unique to a particular brand.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
