AggieDave 6 #51 October 10, 2002 Quoteyou can't unload a baseball bat either You know, I actually have an axe handle in my room...much more fun the a baseball bat, in my opinion...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #52 October 10, 2002 "I actually have an axe handle in my room" "Can't beat a good piece of hickory" Clint, Pale Rider. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quatorze 1 #53 October 10, 2002 Quote "I actually have an axe handle in my room" "Can't beat a good piece of hickory" Clint, Pale Rider. How do you like that? A durn furiner beat a good ole Suthern boy to the Clint line....BTW, a damn fine movie alko I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #54 October 10, 2002 NacMac is not your average foriegner...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quatorze 1 #55 October 10, 2002 QuoteNacMac is not your average foriegner... you do realize that was a joke....right. I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #56 October 10, 2002 Yuuup.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quatorze 1 #57 October 10, 2002 Quote Yuuup. just wanted to make sure that we weren't going to have to start a little South Carolina/ Texas war I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #58 October 10, 2002 Tittering @ Quatorze and Aggs....Gawd help me, and somebody shoot me if I am ever classified as 'average'.... -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #59 October 10, 2002 No worries, more then once I've jumped with and partied with NacMac, wouldn't say anything mean spirited, unless I was just being a smartass.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quatorze 1 #60 October 10, 2002 Quote Tittering @ Quatorze and Aggs....Gawd help me, and somebody shoot me if I am ever classified as 'average'.... Just stay out the way and everything will be fine I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #61 October 10, 2002 Yup, I's reckon we're gonna 'ave to talk to dem Caro-liners...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quatorze 1 #62 October 10, 2002 QuoteYup, I's reckon we're gonna 'ave to talk to dem Caro-liners... talk slow so as we'uns can understand ya I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #63 October 10, 2002 I think he was in his rights.. In the old days you could hang someone for steeling your horse.. As a matter of fact I am sure you still can in some parts of Texas Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cajones 0 #64 October 10, 2002 In this case, he was shooting at his "horse" which subsequently crashed. I guess "If I can't have it - no one can" applies here. I have a carry permit, but have extensive training. I already know what my reaction in nearly all cases will be. If there is no threat to myself or another person, my weapon will not be discharged. Life is too precious to waste. With that, understand: If someone is bold enough to enter my home, they must be insane, and therefore unpredictable, and therefore a serious threat, and therefore I will defend myself and those around me. This doesn't generally mean deadly force, but in a situation of uncertainty, it is best to assume an assailant is armed, and given the choice, I will not grapple with an armed opponent. The laws of physics are strictly enforced. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #65 October 10, 2002 Back to the original question.... I wouldn't feel too much remorse for the guy that got shot. But I'd also love to see the security guard get locked up. His actions were totally uncalled for and not much better than the guy stealing his car. This was no case of self-defense. The car was going AWAY, not trying to run him over. So somebody steals your car? Chances are decent that a quick phone call to the cops would have been just as effective as shooting him. Maybe he would have even gotten his car back in one piece. Even if the cops didn't get him, is it worth a murder? All the Wild West analogies fall flat. We don't live like that any more. Being without a car usually isn't a life & death emergency. Before you go glamorizing the cowboy days and people killing horse thieves, look at the life expectancy, the number of innocent people that got caught in crossfires and the number of people that got killed by accident. I'm even sticking to the topic at hand and NOT going into the whole broader issue of gun ownership. We've been through that one too many times already. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #66 October 10, 2002 Here is the follow up with a little more details. It appears the thief tried to run over the security guard. SUV theft was dead end of rocky road 18-year-old shot, killed by Jeep owner grew up without 'normal expectations' By Kevin McKenzie mckenzie@gomemphis.com October 10, 2002 A man killed Tuesday while attempting to steal a sport utility vehicle on Winchester was an 18-year-old with a history of auto theft and family tragedy. Paris A. Edwards was shot about 4:45 p.m. Tuesday by a security guard while attempting to drive away in the guard's vehicle from the Auto Connection car lot, said police spokesman Officer LaTanya Able. The Shelby County Medical Examiner's Office determined that Edwards, of 1735 Chancery No. 2, died of a gunshot wound to the chest. Police declined to identify the armed security guard. Able said the guard had left work in his 1999 Jeep Cherokee to pay on his car note at the Auto Connection. He went into the car lot office, leaving his keys in the vehicle. The guard noticed a man walking around his SUV, and hurried out of the office. After the driver of the Jeep attempted to run the guard over, the guard fired several shots, Able said. One struck the driver in his left side. The Jeep veered across the street, hitting a concrete utility pole and a fire hydrant, then flipped over, she said. Edwards was dead on arrival at the Regional Medical Center at Memphis. The District Attorney General's Office will determine whether the security guard faces prosecution. "Every case like this is reviewed on a case-by-case basis because of different circumstances in each case," said Jennifer Zunk, DA spokesman. On Wednesday, state prosecutors said they would not prosecute the owner of a North Memphis laundry, who on Saturday shot a man trying to rob the business. In that case, prosecutors ruled the shooting justifiable, saying the owner acted in defense of himself and others in the store. Within a two-week period in August, homeowners shot and killed intruders who were breaking into their houses. In both cases, prosecutors determined the homicides were justifiable. So far this year in Memphis, about 11 killings have been ruled justifiable homicides, Able said. Edwards's troubles with the law began when he was 10 years old with a vandalism complaint in Juvenile Court. By October 1998, when he was 14, Edwards was getting in serious trouble. That month he was charged with aggravated robbery, said Lieutenant Wilks Jr., deputy chief probation officer for Juvenile Court. The following month, Edwards was placed at the Shelby Training Center. In September 1999, Edwards was charged with theft of a vehicle and placed back in the training center. In February 2000, he was placed back in the custody of his mother, Brenda Wright. But in December, he was charged with theft and aggravated burglary. He went back to training school. Four months later, in April 2001, Edwards was charged with theft of property over $10,000 and evading arrest. He was committed to the state Department of Children's Services with a recommendation that he be placed in a youth development center or other facility. Edwards was released and back home last January. He was free and unsupervised as of July 31. He is the second son of Brenda Wright killed by gunfire. On Nov. 5, 2000, Carlos Wright, 14, was shot to death. He was standing with a friend on the porch of a second-story Cazassa Oaks apartment when a gunman walking with two other youths on the street below stopped and fired one shot. Jerry Busby, 51, a friend of the family, said Edwards is an example of youths who come from an environment where there is nothing but crime and poverty, violence and despair. "These kids coming from that kind of environment, they don't have a chance," said Busby, a graduate school student working on a master's degree in education. "They don't have opportunities, they are not exposed to anything that would give them hope, they can't develop in normal ways, they don't have normal expectations," he said. Gomemphis.com JudyBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #67 October 10, 2002 Well, that is a totally different scenario. Thanks for posting the additional facts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #68 October 10, 2002 You have to assume he would have gotten in a high speed chase and killed a family down the road.. He might have prevented a whole family from dying.. Just food for thought.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #69 October 10, 2002 Quote You have to assume Umm... no I don't. I could just as easily say that you have to assume that he was going to drive within the speed limit to the nearest charitable organization and donate the car to them. (Yeah, right!) You know what assuming does.... I noted that the updated scenario was different than the original, but in the original, shooting was not the right answer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #70 October 10, 2002 Yep..the guy was trying to run him over, it was self defense. And note that the thief was shot in the chest, meaning the shots came from the front or at least side of the vehicle. So the guy wasn't shooting at a fleeing vehicle. Totally different circumstances and in this case completely justifiable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,070 #71 October 10, 2002 >I think the off-duty security guard reacted on how he's been trained to react. I sure hope even armed security guards aren't trained to shoot people in the back while they are fleeing! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,070 #72 October 10, 2002 >He might have prevented a whole family from dying.. Just food for thought.. Using that logic it is even more acceptable to shoot someone who is driving and seems to be drunk - which is also absurd. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #73 October 10, 2002 Ummm.... I was joking.. HA HA.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #74 October 10, 2002 Quote Using that logic it is even more acceptable to shoot someone who is driving and seems to be drunk Wow! And I though the MADD group was tough!* *Humorous barb intended. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
highfly 0 #75 May 27, 2003 There was some disscusion regarding guns and self defence. Tony Martins name was bought up. This is an English chap who defended himself in his own home in terror with a gun. Some new info just out . Justice? www.myspace.com/durtymac Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
