Apollo87 0 #76 June 13, 2013 Haha. I don't understand ppl sometimes. This is the only thread I've posted on and I haven't pretended to know anything about anything other than what I've heard. I do most of my time reading and inquiring from ppl like yourself. I hope you weren't referring to me. I haven't complained about anything except this guy's contradicting statements. I'm genuinely trying to learn something here. Not argue or debate anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,217 #77 June 13, 2013 Let me be clear Mr. Anonymous. Airtec makes a good product, and have contributed an enormous amount to our sport. That does not excuse them for the poor handling of the recent defect. The problem they are facing is known, and has a known solution. The only thing missing is the will to spend the money to make it right in a timely fashion. And it does not change the fact that the product they are selling represents less value for the money for their customers. People here often state that only a CYPRES will do. That`s fine if you want to believe their marketing. As PT Barnum said, there`s one born every minute. This will be the last time I reply to any posts on this matter from anyone who is anonymous. Except to point out that you are not willing to state your opinion openly.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-ftp- 0 #78 June 13, 2013 What does someones identity have to do with facts chief? Please tell me? Because I don't care to fill in some jump numbers that could/could not be real? You're not going to see my logbook...so whats that matter? It's just a stupid reason you use to avoid getting called out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apollo87 0 #79 June 13, 2013 No, please don't tell him. (No offence, ftp) This guy has absolutely nothing to contribute. He's a troll and a broken record. Every other post is the same f*cking thing. Worthless... Not that I pretend to contribute, but it's frustrating when I'm trying to gather legitimate info from people who actually share objective, empirical information. I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't old enough to skydive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skydivesg 7 #80 June 13, 2013 Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
katzas 1 #81 June 17, 2013 Check out Chuting Star. Think they are selling them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
degeneration 5 #82 June 17, 2013 If you are in Europe wingstore sell them at a pretty decent price - the cheapest I was able to find.Sky Switches - Affordable stills camera tongue switches and conversion adaptors, supporting various brands of camera (Canon, Sony, Nikon, Panasonic). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-ftp- 0 #83 June 18, 2013 Iago Keep in mind that ANY AAD out there is probably going to be about '4 nineths' (or better) in the real world. Meaning it will operate, compute, fire, and deploy propertly probably 99.99% of the time. where did you find this little hot piece of data?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apollo87 0 #84 June 19, 2013 Thanks, buddy! I'm actually kind of excited to get this thing. Although, if all goes well, you'll never hear from me again about how well it worked I really hope it only ever has to serve as an expensive accessory to my rig (fingers crossed). From what they told me over @ the Mars distribution center, these units have been in service over in Europe for years now with no complications or SBs. After ~4 years of use, they apparently haven't had a single report of any malfunction or misfire and all the container manufacturers I'm aware of are permitting use in their rigs. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Cypres, Vigil, or Argus can say the same. I'm pretty sure every one of those companies had an SB out within 4 years. Just sayin... Can't wait to be the guinea pig, lol. Hopefully, these things turn out to be the shit. And I'm SUPER excited that the Expert version has X-mode (equivalent to Cypres speed) for swooping. But that's wayyyy down the road. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darora15 0 #85 June 19, 2013 I just bought a M2. I will be getting it put in my rig next week.Paddle faster....I hear banjo music Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
degeneration 5 #86 June 20, 2013 Mine has arrived now.Sky Switches - Affordable stills camera tongue switches and conversion adaptors, supporting various brands of camera (Canon, Sony, Nikon, Panasonic). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
degeneration 5 #87 June 20, 2013 Have now RTFM. Mine has the appropriate firmware to be set to "X-mode" which changes the expert version to a speed version. Also came with a M2 patch and a long (1m) and wide (2cm) pull up cord. Yearly user inspections are recommended, and an inspection record card is also included. Manual is on a cd. Now just have to get it packed in a rig...Sky Switches - Affordable stills camera tongue switches and conversion adaptors, supporting various brands of camera (Canon, Sony, Nikon, Panasonic). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #88 June 20, 2013 degeneration Yearly user inspections are recommended, and an inspection record card is also included. What do they recommend for a user inspection?"What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
degeneration 5 #89 June 20, 2013 To quote the manual for the unit: Quote Yearly Inspection The manufacturer requests that inspection of the m2 device be performed at least once every calendar year, either by the user or a rigger. The user is always responsible for this inspection and it is up to them whether the required tasks are performed on their own or entrusted to someone else. We recommend an inspection be done during repackaging of the reserve parachute. Inspection Procedure: Visually inspect the device for any apparent mechanical damage, especially that there is no damage on the connection cables, filter, control unit and cutter. Check the battery (under the letter „b“ in the device MENU). Check the displayed pressure (under the letter „P“ in the device MENU). Check the altitude lock release in the aircraft during ascent. Perform pressure check by comparing to another precision instrument that shows barometric pressure. Announced actual pressure at the airport can also be used. Variance must not be more than +/-15 hPa. Check the altitude lock release in the aircraft during ascent to verify whether the device really works and reacts to the aircraft ascent. Check the altitude lock release at 450 m (1,475 ft) or 900m (2,950 feet) with another altimeter. The altitude lock is released when the center line between the arrows disappears. Most of these are easy enough to do, but I'm not sure how I'd check the unit on the way to altitude to make sure it unlocks at the required altitude, as the control unit is on my back in my rig, so not exactly easy to see. Here's a link to the English manual I got with the unit, copied from the CD to a file hosting website... http://www.filedropper.com/manualen031305Sky Switches - Affordable stills camera tongue switches and conversion adaptors, supporting various brands of camera (Canon, Sony, Nikon, Panasonic). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apollo87 0 #90 June 25, 2013 That's awesome info! Thanks! It's the first I've heard of it and I'm kind of glad they have a way to check it. But I agree, the checking the locking mechanism would be a bitch on certain containers. Although, at my DZ, you can take a plane ride in the cockpit for the price of a hop & pop. I think.. It might be a $23 ride, but regardless, you could pay the extra twenty bucks, take it to altitude, and check it during your bi-annual reserve repack. Or wait, that could be a really bad idea... The plane is definitely going more than 78 mph. Hmmmmmm.... They must have a fail safe on that, right? What if you HAVE to ride the plane down because of an in-flight gear check? Sorry. I have a lot of thoughts... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
degeneration 5 #91 June 26, 2013 Has to be 78mph vertical decent. If the pilot knows there is an AAD on board, he should fly accordingly around the activation zone. If it is a student version, then it should be switched off (according to the manual if I remember right).Sky Switches - Affordable stills camera tongue switches and conversion adaptors, supporting various brands of camera (Canon, Sony, Nikon, Panasonic). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apollo87 0 #92 June 26, 2013 Thanks, again. Haha, I was told there was a barometer and some strange speedometer in an AAD. It all makes sense now... I learn something new every day Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darrinh 0 #93 January 12, 2014 I'm going to buy the M2 and put it into my rig this spring. Happy 2014 and blue skies to all! How have you guys who purchased it liked it so far? My first post on dz.com..... Beer! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lyosha 50 #94 January 12, 2014 Didn't the cutter fail on one of these things in Poland a couple of months ago? I'm in the market for an AAD too, but that episode made me rule out mars... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #95 January 12, 2014 That was an MPAAD, not an M2. It is an earlier generation device from MARS. I do not know if the cutter is the same or different."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #96 January 12, 2014 QuoteVigils are now getting to be nearly 10 years old. No problems so far, touch wood. And I can probably find more with a little effort. Sparky http://www.pia.com/piapubs/ServiceBulletins/ProductServiceBulletin7.pdf http://www.pia.com/piapubs/ServiceBulletins/Pre-Report-Jump288-031011.pdf http://www.pia.com/piapubs/ServiceBulletins/PSB10_2013_06_14%20.pdf http://www.pia.com/piapubs/ServiceBulletins/VIGIL%20PSB-5%20CUTTER%2012.07.PDF http://www.pia.com/piapubs/ServiceBulletins/VIGIL%202%20WITH%2012.07%20CUTTERS.PDF http://www.pia.com/piapubs/ServiceBulletins/VIGIL%202%20LIST%20OF%20CUTTERS%2012.07.PDF http://www.pia.com/piapubs/ServiceBulletins/APF_Statement_17June2008.pdf http://www.pia.com/piapubs/ServiceBulletins/AUSTRALIAN_PARACHUTE_ASSOCIATION.pdf http://www.pia.com/piapubs/ServiceBulletins/BPA-Vigil.pdfMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
erdnarob 1 #97 January 13, 2014 An AAD is never the cause of a fatality. It's a back up device. But most of the time, the human factors are the cause of injuries or death.Learn from others mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #98 January 14, 2014 QuoteI've read many claims of Cypres units turning themselves off and, in a few cases, causing death. And where did you read these claims? Could you post your source? QuoteIn Argus' argument, they said Cypres just calls them suicides, An employee for Argus by the name of William wrote this paper and a similar one about Vigil. Both are filled with inaccuracies, false statements and just plain lies. http://www.skysurfer.com.au/wiki/images/2/2d/CYPRES_AAD_FACT_SHEET.pdf Quotebut I think one girl's family is actually sueing Airtec because she died due to a Cypres unit failing, The Cypres did not fail. It did just what it was designed to do, it cut the loop. The reserve did not deploy in time. That is a container problem not an AAD problem. Brook died because SHE did not deploy a canopy. QuoteVigil admits to a missing cutter causing a fatality. A missing cutter would not be Vigil’s failure, it is a rigging failure. If the cutter was missing it did not cause the fatality. Failure of the jumper to deploy a canopy caused the fatality. QuoteEspecially if you have any info on a malfunctioned M2. Service Bulliten on M2. http://www.pia.com/piapubs/ServiceBulletins/SB_10_11_2013_Inspection_m2_AAD_EN.pdf SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 63 #99 January 14, 2014 mjosparkyA missing cutter would not be Vigil’s failure, it is a rigging failure. I would call it a (factory) quality control failure... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #100 January 14, 2014 skydiverek***A missing cutter would not be Vigil’s failure, it is a rigging failure. I would call it a (factory) quality control failure... Did the factory pack the reserve without a cutter? SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
