Anti-War Celebrities May Face Backlash

[nacmacfeegle 0]

Wendy voiced my thoughts on your opinions Gary, thanks gal.
"I think I can live without your trust."
And I'll certainly get by without listening to any more of your drivvel.

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He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

[sfc 1]

I know a country where people didn't ever used to disagree with the government, everyone always agreed with eachother, it was utopia. It was called Iraq.

Is that how you would want America to be? People afraid to express their feeling because of fear of persecution. The ability for people to express their feelings freely and safely is part of what America is, you shouldn't knock people for doing it or try to raise public feeling against them because you don't like what they have to say. If someone does not support the war just leave it at that, there is no need to verbally abuse them because of it, because in the end the verbal abuse becomes physical and then we are no longer free.

[bodypilot90 0]

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What exactly did the pro-war folks who made jokes about the French do that was helpful?

we stopped buying french shit. And it's hurting them I heard a news blurb the french grape growers and travel to France is at a all time low. I sent letters to the troops and to let the people in our gov't know how I felt. I helped educate some lefties about Iraq and the Mid-east. Also helped some of the Ng families with car repairs while Dad's away. What did you do???

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No one is trying to muzzle these "celebrity pundits", we're just saying that if an asshole like Robbins and and uber-asshole hypocrite like Michael Moore are going to abuse us, they'd better show the courage of their convictions. Furthermore, they shouldn't act all outraged when people get pissed off at them for being so fucking stupid.

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''It is using what power it has to infringe upon my rights of free speech with the hope to intimidate millions of others who disagree with our president,'' Robbins said in a stinging riposte.

These are the ramblings of a truly disturbed individual. How in the hell can Tim Robbins profess to be dismayed when someone else decides to capitalize on an entertainment related event to make a political statement? We can only hope that his new-found standards of civility will be applied to himself and his friends in Hollywood.

The really loony part though is his belief that the Baseball Hall of Fame can infringe upon his freedom of speech. Thank about that for a second. Tim Robbins believes that the freaking Baseball Hall of Fame is silencing him and (I can't believe I'm even typing this) intimidating millions of similarly wacky Americans.

That's classic.

I can't believe that I can rant for months about the stupidity of these types and that they repeatedly do more to prove my case in two sentences than I can in hundreds of posts.

Read the Constitution Tim. Freedom of speech does not protect you from scorn, ridicule, disgust, and lost revenue when you insist on repeatedly jamming your head up your ass and your foot in your mouth. The negative effects you're feeling are an indication that people are sick and tired of your incessant blathering. This has nothing to do with your rights and everything to do with the fact that you've pissed off far too many patriotic Americans.

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edit to add "uber-asshole" remark and clip from blogsofwar.com (shown between asterisk bars).

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[peppermint 0]

Clinton ran the country better with his privates in somebodies mouth than Bush does without any distractions.

The flowing wave returns not, nor does the passing hour.

[bodypilot90 0]

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Clinton ran the country better with his privates in somebodies mouth than Bush does without any distractions.

No clinton was more entertaining. Bush is doing a fine job, and he knows what "is" is.

[peppermint 0]

Why can't we just devide the country and give the right wingers Orange Country to live in? There would be enough room for you narrowminded people in that area. Let the rest of us enjoy a better economy and a peaceful existance.

The flowing wave returns not, nor does the passing hour.

[wmw999 2,545]

I too wrote mail to troops. I drove my motorcycle more to reduce my dependence on foreign oil. I recycle aggressively to reduce the amount of waste we generate, so that we get to keep more land as useful instead of as landfills, and so we don't have to use as much energy in making new packaging. Of course, I do a lot of that anyway -- it's always useful, not just when we're at war.

I donate pretty aggressively to a number of hunger charities, and I take care of my 85-year-old WW2 veteran father. I also sent mail to governmental folks to let them know what I think (not that it matters -- Tom DeLay is my representative), and I too educated folks on the mideast and on the nature of human response.

I also did my piece to keep a dialog going with people from other countries. Other countries are also part of what "is," and I think it's best to keep a dialog, rather than start one only when the need or desire is strong.

Is that enough?

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[peppermint 0]

Keep it up Wendy.

You are proof of kindness in action. You also prove that you don't need guns to fight against people who would want to destroy us.

Ghandi Lives!

The flowing wave returns not, nor does the passing hour.

[peppermint 0]

Why can't you admit that we had 8 years of peace and prosperity with the last administration, and now we only have trouble and turmoil?

The flowing wave returns not, nor does the passing hour.

[wmw999 2,545]

Most of the economic cycles are somewhat independent of the president at the time. It's a lot easier for a president to damage the economy quickly than it is for him or her to help it that fast.

So I'd have to say that the stock market upswing in the last administration wasn't any more Clinton's doing particularly, than the crash of 1987 was Reagan's.

I like Clinton's financial policies (reduce the national debt) better than Reagan's anyway, but some things really aren't due to the president.

WEndy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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I like Clinton's financial policies (reduce the national debt) better than Reagan's anyway, but some things really aren't due to the president.

Wait a second. after the Reagans tax cut guess what happened. the amount of tax collected doubled. But the democratic congress spent it faster than it could be collected. Give me a few and I'll post the figures.

[ChasingBlueSky 0]

***as WE have the right not to buy attend or endorse anything they do. To each their own. ***

Think you missed my point. I don't agree with all the anti-war talk. Nor do I agree with all the pro-war talk. Extreme viewpoints get you nothing but a myopic POV. Nonetheless, it doesn't matter what I think. I will defend and fight for freedom of speech no matter what the topic is, or what the opinion is, or who is saying it. Even if the person is an A**hole, they have the right to be a very loud, chatty one in this country. That's America, and that is why I love this country.
***By what you just said I know you never heard over 2 programs. ***
Actually, I heard almost every show of his during the 90's. I was a media-studies student in college and did at least a hundred research papers on talk-radio. On top of that, I was in talk radio for most of the 90's and Rush was up against the show I worked on. In talk-radio, you tape your competition and analyze every minute of their show. I hired an intern just to tape his show, and even met the guy. I spent the better part of ten years obsessing about the media, news, talk-radio, reporting etc.....as much or more than the way anyone on here gets about skydiving. Trust me, when it comes to the media - I know what I am talking about.

You really want to know the funny part about Rush. It's just a job to him, at the end of the day he is willing to say anything that will keep his paychecks coming in, and to avoid talking up songs like he used to do.

I just find it interesting that it was OK for people to openly voice against Clinton, but its almost treason to do so against Bush.
***sorry for you, they are one of the most balanced news networks to date.***
Matter of opinion I guess. Then again, I found only one or two reporters (not networks) in my years in the media to be balanced.
***I don't think so. You antiwar ppl have got it all wrong.***
I find it funny how those that are strongly pro-war assume that all anti-war people are idiots and would want to see a pic of SH kissed on TV instead of Bush. I am glad to see that the Iraqi people are appreciative of our sacrifices on their homeland.

Let's get a couple things straight:
1) I have family and friends over there right now and I support them. Please do not assume that I do not fully appreciate that they are putting their lives on the line for my freedom. If I had a tree at my house, there would be a yellow ribbon on it.
2) I am not one of those war protestors standing on the street blocking traffic. Outside of a couple heated emails or conversations with close friends, I have done nothing for/with/against, etc this war.
2) SH is no friend of mine and the SOB needed to go away a long time ago.
3) It's not all about oil, but alot of it has to do with money. Even Bush has agreed that this will help the national economy. Once again, it's not all about oil, nor is it all about just one thing. This whole war is far to complicated to rely on just one reason/excuse.
4)It couldn't be like 'Nam since the administration wasn't trying to keep it a secret. Apples and Oranges IMO.
5) Thousands are not dead? Last count of Coalition was about 123. That's 123 too many in my opinion, but I don't get a vote in this stuff. I doubt anyone will ever get a truthful number on how many innocent people died over there, we can't even agree how many people show up at Times Square for New Years Eve.
6) Well, we can't tell what the long term will play out here at home. Get back to me in 20 years on this point.

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you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me....
I WILL fly again.....

[bodypilot90 0]

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I donate pretty aggressively to a number of hunger charities, and I take care of my 85-year-old WW2 veteran father.

if more of us helped maybe we could do away with welfare. thanks wendy

[ChasingBlueSky 0]

Yea! I'll never use French's Mustard again! That'll show those French!

Don't suppose a war and Sars combine with the sagging ariline industry after 9/11 would have anything to do with that?

But I guess it doesn't matter - I have a different opinon than Garcy so because of that he can't trust me. Do you feel as strong about "paper or plastic?" Someone disagrees with you and you cut them out fully? Please tell me that was a troll.

I think what Wendy was getting at, is that we are all a bunch of talking heads on a web page, and in the end all of our talking won't matter or effect anything.

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you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me....
I WILL fly again.....

[Snowflake 0]

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The 2nd biggest exporter of land mines (Russia) will step up and take our place, our economy will take a dent for it and land mines will continue to plague the world.

Your saying that we should continue to sell landmines cause if we didn't someone else would?

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Other than that they are weaklings, not to be trusted

And this should bother me?.....why?

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and are no friends of mine

Good!!!....I wouldn't want you to get the wrong idea. I wonder who would want to be friends with someone that souds as hateful as you anyway.

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In times like this and probably from now on, people are gonna evaluate others more closely in regards to what they say, support, not support and do

And if they don't think like you then what?....you get a rope and hang them. Sounds like some of those old fasioned values the politician tell us we need.

Oh yea I don't support the troops(I do want them all to come home in one piece though) call that what you like.

"The world is a toilet. Our mouths neurological assholes"

[cloudseeker2001 0]

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Why can't we just devide the country and give the right wingers Orange Country to live in? There would be enough room for you narrowminded people in that area. Let the rest of us enjoy a better economy and a peaceful existance.

Doors fan by any chance?

"Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance,
others mean and rueful of the western dream"

[WeakMindedFool 0]

Now, let me ask you this: You think our Congress is pro-troops? You would think so - after all they passed a resolution on Tuesday voicing their support (tax dollars in action). Then later on that day, they passed a cut in benefits for all the military, esp for those that received extra benefits for wartime service. Nice huh? Wonder why Fox didn't report that?

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Why can't you admit that we had 8 years of peace and prosperity with the last administration, and now we only have trouble and turmoil?

well, i think we had 8 years of peace in the last administration because Clinton turned his back on many problems that came to light on 9/11. to some extent those problems are getting mopped up now.

"Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance,
others mean and rueful of the western dream"

[WeakMindedFool 0]

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These people and ALL of the anti-war protesters
do nothing but PROTEST..they only exercise their privelge to "protest" because they live in a country
they they are able to do such.
Other than that they are weaklings, not to be trusted
and are no friends of mine..That includes some(possibly most) of the people who post here that support them.In times like this and probably from now on, people are gonna evaluate others more closely in regards to what they say, support, not support and do.( oh, yeah..and what they smoke,too)
Gary Calhoun

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[WeakMindedFool 0]

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Yea! I'll never use French's Mustard again! That'll show those French!

Hey...can we call em Freedom Ticklers, or do we have to stop using them completely?

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[Amazon 7]

Anyone who takes a stand and voices an opinion... is welcome in this country..I just want to make sure that what they say and do... is reported to the Justice department by thier neighbors.... and children..... people who overhear them in restaurants.. or parks........

OOOOPS// I forgot... that is what the Baath Party... KGB... STASI... . Gestapo....... used to do.. that this country fought against.....in how many wars now???

[billvon 3,078]

>we stopped buying french shit. And it's hurting them . . .

Yep. US people get pissed at Chirac and they boycott French wineries and tour companies, thus putting Americans out of work. Irish people get pissed at Bush and they dislike him, but they don't hate Americans. At least one country seems to be able to separate what a leader believes from what the people of the country believe.

[billvon 3,078]

>These people and ALL of the anti-war protesters
>do nothing but PROTEST..

Well, personally I also design homeland security systems for aviation applications, teach people to skydive, and install solar power systems. Besides the protesting of course.

>they only exercise their privelge to "protest" because they live in a
> country they they are able to do such.

Of course! And now, much to the apparent dismay of the US, so do Iraqis:

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BAGHDAD (AFP) - Anti-American protests intensified here and in southern Iraq as US forces struggled with the complex task of rebuilding the country after toppling the regime of Saddam Hussein. Exasperated US military officials tried to hamper the media from covering new demonstrations in Baghdad on Tuesday while some 20,000 people in the Shiite Muslim bastion of Nasiriyah railed against a US-staged meeting on Iraq's future.

The protests came as the Americans delivered a first progress report in their effort to restore Iraq to normalcy and head off a chorus of criticism over continued lawlessness and a lack of basic services.

Some 200-300 Iraqis gathered Tuesday outside the Palestine Hotel, where the US marines have set up an operations base, for a third straight day of protests against the US occupation.

For the first time, visibly angered US military officials sought to distance the media from the protest, moving reporters and cameras about 30 meters (yards) from the barbed-wired entrance to the hotel.

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>In times like this and probably from now on, people are gonna
> evaluate others more closely in regards to what they say, support,
> not support and do.

I doubt it. We have very short memories here in the US. Today's freedom fighter is tomorrow's terrorist, and no one remembers which was which.