dropdeded 0 #1 April 9, 2003 O.K. , It just took a big crap. Its a Beretta model 92FS 9mm.I was at the range qualifying today and it jammed,slide was locked solid with an empty shell in it.Instructor couldnt get it open ,niether could the range master. Took it to a gunsmith and he got it open.The Locking Block was broken in three pieces.I was told Baretta "should" fix it free or replace it.Was told it had to be a "defect". Um,one more time,its borrowed Any comments appreciated dropdeded------------------------------------------ The Dude Abides. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking 0 #2 April 9, 2003 QuoteBeretta theres your problem right there.I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver My God has a bigger dick than your god -George Carlin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropdeded 0 #3 April 9, 2003 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Beretta -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- theres your problem right there. __________________________________________________ I guess I said "any"comments,but shit dude,thats no help at all dropdeded ------------------------------------------ The Dude Abides. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuickDraw 0 #4 April 9, 2003 Tell your friend the truth, pretty sure he/she would rather it f**k-up on a range than infront of a perp. -- Hope you don't die. -- I'm fucking winning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #5 April 9, 2003 http://beretta.squawk.com/blocks.html and http://beretta.squawk.com/armorer.html mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #6 April 9, 2003 If you were shooting a real weapon, that wouldn't have happened. Funny, in over 10,000rds shot through my Glock 17, I've had one, only one malfunction. I stovepiped a round because I was screwing off and really really limp wristed the shot (ate all the recoil in my arm, so the weapon didn't have the energy to eject the round).--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropdeded 0 #7 April 9, 2003 http://beretta.squawk.com/blocks.html and http://beretta.squawk.com/armorer.html mike __________________________________________________ Thanks dude,I dont know why I was told this was "defective" ?Sounds like it could be "normal" wear? Allthough it pretty much shattered into three pieces.I dont imagine they can make the call til they have the firearm in front of them. This guy I borrowed it from was so friggin leary of loaning it to me and now this crap.Oh well,he'll get over it. Thanks again dropdeded------------------------------------------ The Dude Abides. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jethers203 0 #8 April 9, 2003 1st of all, Dropdeded is the shit!!!!! My new hero!!!!! I also have a Beretta 92FS. In fact.....I have 2. They are excellent weapons and I have never had a problem with either one of them. I have fired the cheapest, shittiest, most pathetic excuse for ammunition out of them and have never had a problem. What ammunition were you shooting? Sometimes, you can just get poorly made crap? It happened with my Savage 30.06. Winchester had a bad batch of ammunition. As far as: Quote I stovepiped a round because I was screwing off and really really limp wristed the shot (ate all the recoil in my arm, so the weapon didn't have the energy to eject the round). Dave, can you give an explanation to this a little better. It's usually that when you pull the trigger, the gun goes boom. As far as shooting a real weapon, does anyone know what the standard issue sidearm of the United States military is? I didn't say FBI desk junkies, I said US military. You know, the guys that are kicking ass in the Middle East right now. John D-24352 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #9 April 9, 2003 Beretta than nothing... I have a Model 71 with 80 000 rounds through it - but then there's no energy going through a Model 71, and it worked great in my one and only gunfight. Your friend will understand. Better to break now than when you need it. As for all the negative stuff going down about Beretta - It must have been chosen to replace the 1911 for a reason. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meatmissile 0 #10 April 9, 2003 No stoppages on my Glock 23 either in about 3000 shots, despite having a stiffer slide return spring fitted. I have seen a stovepipe on a Glock (19 I think) also due to a limp wrist. -- ZZZzzzz.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luv2Fall 0 #11 April 9, 2003 Get you a CZ75B. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meatmissile 0 #12 April 9, 2003 Quote Dave, can you give an explanation to this a little better. It's usually that when you pull the trigger, the gun goes boom. Correct, but it's not that simple. If you hold the gun too limply, the receiver may move too far back with the recoil. There is then too little relative movement between the receiver and the slide, resulting in the spent casing not being properly ejected. And then when you pull the trigger again, the gun goes *silence* -- ZZZzzzz.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #13 April 9, 2003 Quote when you pull the trigger, the gun goes boom Hahaha... believe it or not,,, I have NEVER fired a hand gun or a rifle,,,,,, in my ENTIRE life....Never hunted,,,never have been to a shooting range,,, was not ever in the Service.....I got to about the age of 30 and realized I had never fired a weapon,,, so now it's like,,,, I'm trying to keep the streak going!!!!! ... I have no distain for guns,,, I am not "anti gun",,, I have always had an approach to life ,,, that we may each do what we want ,, when we want,, ( within ethical limits) , but just never had the occasion, to try a firearm or long gun.... I do have a few rounds,,, however,, fired on a "spud gun" !!!!!!!! P V C and hairspray!!!! watch out Baby " I have some potatoes,, and I ain't afraid of usin' 'em"........ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DYEVOUT 0 #14 April 9, 2003 QuoteIt must have been chosen to replace the 1911 for a reason. Higher magazine capacity, and less recoil. My AMT hardballer doesn't jam, and makes 9 larger (230gr JHP) holes, with jagged edges - close together. ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #15 April 9, 2003 QuoteIt must have been chosen to replace the 1911 for a reason. also to comply with NATO standardization... SOF guys have gone back to .45 (HK and 1911's) as have parts of the FBI (nicely tuned 1911's). JoshAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #16 April 9, 2003 Quote It must have been chosen to replace the 1911 for a reason. Because 9mm is so superior to .45ACP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DYEVOUT 0 #17 April 9, 2003 Those little 90 grainers are cute. . . . . ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #18 April 9, 2003 You are on the right track, but there was total political manipulation going on with the acquisition of the M9 as a service pistol. Its an interesting story I won't get into, but it involves politicians in Maryland, as well as the friend of the common man: Teddy Kennedy. Nato had a role as well, among others. The really funny/scary part was when the guns were fielded and the slides started breaking. The entire rear of the slide, from the breach back, would break off, fly back and hit whomever was firing it in the face. Scary shit. But, rather than nip the process in the bud, they gave Beretta the op to fix the slides. They did and they work. Interestingly it seems in the current conflict, lots of unit commanders gave their personnel the option of bringing their own sidearms. Personally, I would be happy to lug around my own .45 ball ammo rather than that powder-puff 9mm fmj shit they have to shoot. mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #19 April 9, 2003 >>Funny, in over 10,000rds shot through my Glock 17, I've had one, only one malfunction. << I love Glocks, so don't get me wrong. I've seen several break. My Glock 34 that I shoot in competition has broken a couple of times. The pin that holds the trigger safety in the trigger broke, but it worked just fine (except no trigger safety) afterwards. Dropped in a new trigger, and a couple of months later the slide cracked at the back on the left side. The crack ran from the slide stop to the back end of the slide along the groove for the frame rail. I am by no means a Glock basher; my point is that even top of the line guns break sometimes. Please don;t kid yourself that yours is immune from fvck-ups, even if it has never let you down. Point is, if you are carrying a gun that you might have to shoot at somebody else, check it VERY thoroughly for signs of weakness EVERY time you clean it. They are mechanical devices, and they are subject to breaking when you need them most. BMcD... ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meatmissile 0 #20 April 9, 2003 Quote Because 9mm is so superior to .45ACP Well it can't have been that, or they would have gone for a .40 S&W . -- ZZZzzzz.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #21 April 9, 2003 Quote Correct, but it's not that simple. If you hold the gun too limply, the receiver may move too far back with the recoil. There is then too little relative movement between the receiver and the slide, resulting in the spent casing not being properly ejected Thanks for clearing up my quick explainaion for me. Oh, and yeah, I know what sidearm the military uses, but luckily others have stepped in and explained why they were choosen for me, so I didn't have to do it. Just because the military adopts it as its standard, it doesn't mean its good. Oh, something else, do you know what SEAL Teams use for side arms? Not Berretas, not usually. They use either H&K USPs or Glocks.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luv2Fall 0 #22 April 9, 2003 Exactly.....standardization shit. I like the 9mm for range work.......cheap shooting, but for business I feel the .45 rules.........good shot placement replaces the need for highcap mags IMO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #23 April 9, 2003 Personally I thought it was a big step up when the military switched from the 1911 A-1 to Beretas. All the 1911 45's that I shot in the military were shot out and really loose. I've never shot one that was tight, reworked, and tuned or I might have a different opinion. I lot of folks swear by the 1911 A-1 though, and maybe I just need to shoot a good one. It might be hard to find an accurate one in most military arsenals though. I've seen some equipment that the military uses that is really crappy. Maybe things have changed, but twenty-five years ago I could name several items of equipment that were far from top of the line. Moving on to another argument: The 9MM vs 45. I sure wouldn't want to get hit with either of them. I know there have been times when perps. have been hit with 9mm's and kept going. I wonder though if they were hit with the wrong type of bullet. I'd sure hate to get hit with a heavier hollow pt. around 38 caliber. It would be much different than being hit with a full metal jacket which would zip through leaving a small hole. I know a lot of people who like a lighter recoiling pistol saying they can get back on target quicker for a 2nd shot. So these are arguments in favor of 9mm. There's a lot of people out there, who know a lot more than I do about pistols though. What do you think? (it's fun BSing guns).....Steve1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luv2Fall 0 #24 April 9, 2003 I wouldn't want to be hit with any caliber, period. GI tolerances are meant to be loose in the 1911's and 1911A1's; however, most of them did become too worn for what I consider acceptable accuracy. I have a 1927 Sistema/1911A1 clone made by Colt's equipment and tooling/parts 100% interchangable. It was your basic "GI" model. I carefully fitted (after freaking up on my first fitting attempt) a match grade barrel bushing for it. Now, my Sistema is the most accurate pistol I own. If a barrel and its linkage isn't too worn, you will be surprised how a properly fitted bushing will do for accuracy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #25 April 9, 2003 I was actually being semi-sarcastic with my comment. There are some 9mm rounds that will expand and penetrate better than some .45s. But, if you take the best 9mm vs. the best .45, the .45 is going to win it (discounting your ability to be accurate with the round). When talking military specs it's worse for the 9. There's a geneva convention rule that ammo must be fmj ball ammo, no hollow points, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
