Sinkster 0 #1 March 24, 2003 Taken from another source. Do what you will with it but at least now you have the option: I quote: "The US media outlets have apparently decided not to show the al-Jazeera video of the captured US prisoners. If you want to download it from the al-Jazeera website, the URL is: http://www.aljazeera.net/mritems/streams/video/2003/3/23/1_146027_1_12.asf Be aware that the first half of the video shows a number of US soldiers that have been killed. A couple appear to have been executed at close range. Its pretty graphic. The second half contains interviews with the prisoners. The questions are asked in broken English and answered by the prisoners in English. My heart goes out to the prisoners who look to be scared shitless. If you had any doubt about the brutality of the Iraqis, this video will remove it." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #2 March 24, 2003 clicky WOW.. you wouldnt believe the number & variety of errors i get trying to see that page...something tells me their server isnt long for this world Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking 0 #3 March 24, 2003 all i get is a 404 error.I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver My God has a bigger dick than your god -George Carlin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sinkster 0 #4 March 24, 2003 The video has been uploaded to the UPLOADS folder of ftp.skydivingmovies.com. If that is inappropriate, feel free to delete or rant of course with no hard feelings and my apologies. As for myself, I did not want to watch the video, but feel that the truth should be told about the attrocities of the Iraqis. It is an outrage. Support and pray for our troops! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n2skdvn 0 #5 March 24, 2003 servers getting swamped because of that link. verry graphic video so be forwarned if you watch it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casch 0 #6 March 24, 2003 AArg...what player is the ASF format for cause I can never watch .asf files Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #7 March 24, 2003 I was able to get right on it and watch all 11 minutes or so... sort of wish I hadn't. God rest their souls... -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking 0 #8 March 24, 2003 windows media playerI swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver My God has a bigger dick than your god -George Carlin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #9 March 24, 2003 I just downloaded and watched it from skydivingmovies....it is gory..to say the least....direct bullet wounds to the head...looks very much like execution style....but who knows... Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casch 0 #10 March 24, 2003 ...no words...no words can describe my disgust with the so called reporters for the Al-Jazeera and no words can describe my hate for the SOB's that did this. I know war is ugly and this and much worse has and will continue to happen in every war. For a news station to record this and play it for the world at this time is inexusable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,989 #11 March 24, 2003 >For a news station to record this and play it for the world at this time >is inexusable. Yet demand is high; a lot of people seem to be trying to download it. Given that it seems like a lot of people think it's OK to play. I tend towards the side of allowing free exchange of information, and putting the decision on what people should watch on the people, not the media. Imagine our reaction if there was a video of how our prisoners were being treated, with information on which were alive, what condition they were in etc - and Syria did not allow any americans (including our intelligence people) to view it. I think we'd be annoyed that they were withholding information. There are news services of all sorts, from reputable to disreputable, from sterile to high-shock-value media outlets. Al-Jazeera, with this video, seems to tend towards the shock side of media. Fortunately it's easy to avoid watching it. I am glad, at least, that our military knows who's alive and who isn't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casch 0 #12 March 24, 2003 As usual bill you make a good point. I just don't see the need for closeups of headshots etc. I agree with you though, it is nice to have a free flow of information for all to see at their leisure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #13 March 24, 2003 QuoteYet demand is high; a lot of people seem to be trying to download it. Given that it seems like a lot of people think it's OK to play. What the real problem is that there shouldn't be a newscast to download at all. These interviews should not be seeing the light of "media" at all. The Iraqi media should not even be there. Names of POWs, casualties, as I understand protocol, are exchanged via the Red Cross or Red Crescent. The media should not be the mechanism for finding out who's who, and where.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MC208B 0 #14 March 24, 2003 Good post Bill, I agree totally. Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,989 #15 March 24, 2003 >What the real problem is that there shouldn't be a newscast to > download at all. These interviews should not be seeing the light of > "media" at all. The Iraqi media should not even be there. Well, I agree - but the Geneva convention protections have been sorta diluted lately because this is a "new kind of war." ------------- US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has insisted that al-Qaeda and Taleban suspects being held at the Guantanamo base in Cuba will not be given prisoner of war status. Speaking during a visit to the camp along with four other US senators, Mr Rumsfeld told reporters that the war against terrorism required a new way of thinking and new concepts. (BBC Jan 2002) ------------------ I know, this is completely different (i.e. we haven't shot anyone in the head in Guantanamo Bay) but it does indicate that we don't consider the Geneva Convention rules as ironclad as we used to. Not that the Iraqis would pay any attention if we did; they are defending their home, and people defending their home are more prone to desperate measures and less prone to the formalities of international warfare. > The media should not be the mechanism for finding out who's who, >and where. While I agree here too, I think we would rather find out via an 'unapproved' channel than not find out at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #16 March 24, 2003 QuoteIf you had any doubt about the brutality of the Iraqis, this video will remove it.Who has doubts? Do people not know of the millions in exile, hundred of thousands killed, public and private torture, amputations, and executions? What about the laws that have been instated for this war that order civilians to go to work or be executed, and stand on the roofs of targets. Life is nothing to the current regime. This is no secret. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens have been killed under Hussein's rule. He puts himself before his people. If wasn't so selfish, if he would have stepped down, or at least complied, for the sake of his citizens, none of this would be happening. While I still stand in the position that war is never the answer, I must admit that for the most part, this attack has been impressively strategic, and, dare I say it, justified. Saddam is a bad, bad man. If only there weren't those damn executive assassination laws..."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverbrian 0 #17 March 24, 2003 God help the families if they see their loved ones on this video, either dead or captured. In a world full of people, only some want to fly... isn't that crazy! --Seal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #18 March 24, 2003 I share the pain with all their families. I think now the 'anti-war protesters' are feeling proud to be 'Americans' huh? and the rest of them proud to defend 'humanity' huh?. I SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!!! __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #19 March 24, 2003 QuoteI think now the 'anti-war protesters' are feeling proud to be 'Americans' huh? and the rest of them proud to defend 'humanity' huh?. That video.... I wish every Iraqi that had something to do with this a SLOW AND PAINFULL death... Fuck them all.. Sorry fuckers.. Nothing can save them now.. The Marines are coming.. And they are all going to die... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #20 March 24, 2003 I've recently seen alot of images of dead Iraqis and Iraqi POW's. I don't see the difference in showing dead Americans or dead Iraqis. As for the POW's showing them on TV is a breach of the GC on both sides. Sympathys to the familys of all the dead on all sides. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #21 March 24, 2003 QuoteI tend towards the side of allowing free exchange of information, and putting the decision on what people should watch on the people, not the media. I agree... And I have decided that it will not be something I will watch. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #22 March 24, 2003 I think you'll find thats the Royal Marines. The US Marines have pulled out of Um Qusar after 'stiff resistance' and significant casulties. They've asked for the British Royal Marines to go in as they're better at this kind of job. This was reported on the BBC lunch time news. Same thing happened in Afganistan. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #23 March 24, 2003 QuoteI think now the 'anti-war protesters' are feeling proud to be 'Americans' huh? and the rest of them proud to defend 'humanity' huh?. They haven't pulled out.. They moved on.. Be glad the Royal Marines are batting cleanup instead of lead. Although I know on most fronts the Royal Marines are right along side the US Marines on the front lines. I have nothing but respect for all servicemembers fighting for us. Are you insinuating that the Royal Marines are better in some way than the US Marines? Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #24 March 24, 2003 'Are you insinuating that the Royal Marines are better in some way than the US Marines? ' No I'm not insinuating it, its a simple fact. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #25 March 24, 2003 Quote No I'm not insinuating it, its a simple fact. I'll refrain. We can take this to PM's. After reviewing my post I just deleted I said YOU 4 times. LOL Let's just say I KNOW better Trained with them for over 6 months on the Marine Corps rifle and pistol competitions. Royal Marines can sure hold their liquor and what a great bunch of guys from my experience Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
