freefallfreak 0 #126 March 26, 2003 Personal opinion time...I prefer the Glock .40 over a Sig but I'd really rather have a Stoner... FFF Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #127 March 26, 2003 Oooooooooooh. Stoner.Seriously, I given this very topic much deep though and.... uh... Pandora's Box. That's it. And money too. Get rid of money and create the ideal workers state. Not the pinko socialist workers state, Plato's ideal ordering of society (Republic). I think Plato included a warrior class in his ideal society so uh.... I think I'm gonna have another Oreo. Ken "Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #128 March 26, 2003 QuoteI am so fired up about this!!! I have been watching the news and we have to do something about it!!! We need to get people to see that guns and hatered and war are BAD!!!! "Only the dead have seen the end of war." -- Plato"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,442 #129 March 26, 2003 Quotejust checking, but are there any 'touchy" subjects we've missed in this thread yet? guns,religion, philosophy, politics hmmm.. Gosh, there's abortion, RSL vs. no RSL, Cypres, and whether the Green Hornet can beat Batman mano-a-mano. We've already established that Miller Lite is worse than Bud Lite... Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #130 March 26, 2003 Quote whether the Green Hornet can beat Batman mano-a-mano. Batman. Hands down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverbob 0 #131 March 26, 2003 Sig P220 is an absolute masterpiece. Very nice in the hand, not much felt recoil, which allows better 2d shot acquisition, and damned accurate right out of the box. It is a proven fact that you can get more with kind words and a gun than just kind words.Who Dares Wins Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #132 March 26, 2003 Quote and whether the Green Hornet can beat Batman mano-a-mano. well that one i can take care of.. No. but Kato will kick all thier pansy actor asses____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #133 March 26, 2003 Quote just checking, but are there any 'touchy" subjects we've missed in this thread yet? guns,religion, philosophy, politics hmmm.. New subject....Felching, is it wrong? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #134 March 26, 2003 Quote 2. You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Which are used, of course, to explain the need to kill anyone who worships animistic images. I'll just sneak a peek at this idol... "The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #135 March 26, 2003 Quote Sig P220 is an absolute masterpiece. Very nice in the hand, not much felt recoil, which allows better 2d shot acquisition, and damned accurate right out of the box Bah! The Sig P220 is clunky, doesn't lend its self to combat shooting (self defense, not combat, combat) due to the feel of the weapon. Now, a Glock! They're indestructable, incredibly reliable and very accurate. Not to mention lighter and sleaker then Sigs. You can have your Sig, but I'll out shoot you any day of the week with one of my Glocks! (Ahhh, this is nice, I love talking guns)--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #136 March 26, 2003 Yeah...these gun discussions are great. Went out and got me a Glock 17 after our last one (thanks for the input Dave and Clay). Definitely a nice weapon. It's like it's part of my hand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #137 March 26, 2003 Do you carry Federal Hydroshock? Have you seen the 147gr 9mm? Big, heavy round for a 9mm, still with a high muzzle velocity...look into it. Besure to shoot atleast a magazine of it, it feels a little different for a 9mm. Congrats on getting the Glock, I love them (as you know), and am glad you're enjoying yours. --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJohnson 0 #138 March 26, 2003 Do I get credit for the hijacking??? JJ "Call me Darth Balls" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJohnson 0 #139 March 26, 2003 Beautifully said. I do not advocate any religion, but I do advocate God.JJ "Call me Darth Balls" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJohnson 0 #140 March 26, 2003 That was well said as well. So technically you are an agnostic, not an aethiest. I on the other believe in a God with all my heart but question the piss out of what is truth concerning God.JJ "Call me Darth Balls" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJohnson 0 #141 March 26, 2003 Batman kicks the Green Hornets ass, hands down. But if Kato steps in the Dark Night and the Bot Blunder are gonns be eating shit.JJ "Call me Darth Balls" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #142 March 26, 2003 Quote Do you carry Federal Hydroshock? Have you seen the 147gr 9mm? Big, heavy round for a 9mm, still with a high muzzle velocity...look into it. Besure to shoot atleast a magazine of it, it feels a little different for a 9mm. Congrats on getting the Glock, I love them (as you know), and am glad you're enjoying yours. In most of the testing I've read, Hydrashok tends to overpenetrate. I use Federal 115 jhp. Decent penetration (10.6" through 4 layers of denim) with good expansion. Plus minimal recoil and easy on the gun (not that you need to baby a glock). Take a look at http://www.ammolab.com/9mm_section1.htm. They have penetration testing results and show the recovered rounds for a variety of different 9mm ammo shot through g17 and g19s. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #143 March 26, 2003 (edit: D'oh, mis-read the chart...nice site) Go to Federal's site and look at the stats for the different ammo. Compare the 147gr Hydro Shock to the 115gr jhp. IMHO the 115gr jhp is plinking ammo. --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #144 March 26, 2003 Always go with Corbon or Magsafe for personal defense. And, always follow up the first shot. Corbon and Magsafe are both really snappy recoilers, but they both transfer the most energy to the target in the shortest distance. mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #145 March 26, 2003 Doing a side by side comparison it shows the 115 having a higher velocity, higher energy in foot pounds, and better trajectory then the 147. Yeah, it's a lighter round, but it's faster, packs more of an initial punch, and is more likely to fully expand inside the target instead of passing through and wasting that stopping power energy. And you know as well as I do, it's not the round, it's the grouping of rounds you get into them that matters. Less recoil definitely helps with that. Picking ammo is about as personal as picking your nose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #146 March 26, 2003 Quote Picking ammo is about as personal as picking your nose. You're so right! Ever hang around with reloaders? Holy crap! --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #147 March 26, 2003 Quote You can have your Sig, but I'll out shoot you any day of the week with one of my Glocks! your on sir!! i'll bring my 220 and my 226 (i prefer the 226 actually) Glocks just feel like toys!____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #148 March 26, 2003 QuoteAlways go with Corbon or Magsafe for personal defense. They both fragment like crazy...take a look at that link I posted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #149 March 26, 2003 Right on! (too bad we're over half-the-country apart...)--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #150 March 26, 2003 So back to the original poster's question....when are we going to finally get rid of the guns? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
