skybytch 273 #176 March 26, 2003 Quote I think Cypress should be made mandatory NOT to have!!!! HAH top that I think any AFF or tandem instructor that passes a drug test should be fired immediately. Top THAT! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cgross 1 #177 March 26, 2003 YOU ARE FROM MICHIGAN AND YOU THINK GUNS ARE BAD? WOW... ONLY YOU AND MICHAEL MOORE> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #178 March 26, 2003 QuoteI think any AFF or tandem instructor that passes a drug test should be fired immediately. Top THAT! Reserves should need to be repacked after each jump!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #179 March 26, 2003 Quote Quote I think Cypress should be made mandatory NOT to have!!!! HAH top that I think any AFF or tandem instructor that passes a drug test should be fired immediately. Top THAT! OOooooo! Well, having an RSL and Cypres is like wearing a belt with suspenders. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJohnson 0 #180 March 26, 2003 By the jumper or a rigger? If by the jumper...then great I'd be jumping two shitty pack jobs.JJ "Call me Darth Balls" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #181 March 26, 2003 Quotey On the other hand, a .223 Remington round--specifically the Hornady Tactical Application Police (TAP) round, or any other with a poly tip--will discharge almost all of it's energy immediately after contact with a surface. The TAP round will actually come apart most of the time, therefore reducing its energy so much, when whats left of it goes through the next sheet of drywall, it will generally fall to the ground within a few feet. In a gelatin mold test, the 223 TAP performs wonderfully with a huge shock path and excellent wounding potential. reply] I wonder though, if you had an intruder who was built like Haystack Calhoon, and if he were wearing a leather jacket, would this round penetrate enough to do any damage. I know in hunting big game, under penetration can be a big problem. I've seen two antelope that were hit squarely in the shoulder from a 270 (130 grain bullet). Both should have been dead instantly, but the bullet only penetrated a couple inches and blew up on a shoulder blade. They almost got away. I learned not to hit much bone with Nosler Ballistic Tip Bullets. They were too fragile. At least the early versions were, the ones on the market now are more solidly built. But at any rate you have to be very careful with fragile bullets when hunting and I would think the same would be true in self defense situations. They may not get the job done......Steve1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnischalke 0 #182 March 26, 2003 Leather or layers will begin expansion, but not cause underpenetration. TAP ammo will actually defeat soft body armor, and still cause enough tissue damage to immobilize or slow an adversary. But again, in an urban environment, the rapid expansion and fragmentation will reduced the risk of overpenetration and ricochets. mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #183 March 26, 2003 Quote Quote I think Cypress should be made mandatory NOT to have!!!! HAH top that I think any AFF or tandem instructor that passes a drug test should be fired immediately. Top THAT! I think pilot chutes should be illegal!____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #184 March 26, 2003 QuoteHollowpoint bullets are designed to expand upon impact with flesh. Hydraulic pressure from the fluids in soft body tissues presses against the internal wall of the hollow cavity, causing the wall to peel backwards around the bullet shank, increasing bullet diameter. (The mechanics of hollowpoint bullet expansion are entirely analogous to cuffing a shirt sleeve.) Bullet expansion acts like a parachute to slow and stop the bullet as it penetrates dense soft tissue. If a hollowpoint bullet is propelled too quickly, it will either overexpand and not penetrate deeply enough, or it will fragment. If the bullet fragments, it defeats the purpose of using an expanding bullet. Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness FIREARMS TRAINING UNIT FBI ACADEMY QUANTICO, VIRGINIA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnischalke 0 #185 March 26, 2003 Yes, exactly, in handguns. Edit. This is also a 14-year-old study. Corbon, Magtech, Triton have created some very, very fast rounds that are prefragmented in many cases. They have been shown to cause more tissue damage than a conventional hollowpoint in both gelatin and field use. mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 273 #186 March 26, 2003 Quote I think pilot chutes should be illegal! What? You mean they're not? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #187 March 26, 2003 Quote im certain enough about the lack of the bearded old man style god to have completely rejected the notion and anything resembling it you and me both, dude. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #188 March 26, 2003 Ahhh...lost track of the conversation switching to rifle rounds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jib 0 #189 March 26, 2003 [replyAnd we all know the kind of shit you'd be in if you couldn't finish off such vile rodents quickly! I agree, the .38 is the weapon of choice for home defense when facing down a guinea pig with mayhem and murder on his mind. Of course, if you were to find a sloth, siamese cat or giant tortoise breaking into your house, that S+W .50 might be the better choice. LOL. The only problem with the big gun is you'll be deaf if you try shooting it in the house. Then again, your life 'll be saved from the treachery of the giant mutant tortoise! -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #182 March 26, 2003 Leather or layers will begin expansion, but not cause underpenetration. TAP ammo will actually defeat soft body armor, and still cause enough tissue damage to immobilize or slow an adversary. But again, in an urban environment, the rapid expansion and fragmentation will reduced the risk of overpenetration and ricochets. mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #183 March 26, 2003 Quote Quote I think Cypress should be made mandatory NOT to have!!!! HAH top that I think any AFF or tandem instructor that passes a drug test should be fired immediately. Top THAT! I think pilot chutes should be illegal!____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #184 March 26, 2003 QuoteHollowpoint bullets are designed to expand upon impact with flesh. Hydraulic pressure from the fluids in soft body tissues presses against the internal wall of the hollow cavity, causing the wall to peel backwards around the bullet shank, increasing bullet diameter. (The mechanics of hollowpoint bullet expansion are entirely analogous to cuffing a shirt sleeve.) Bullet expansion acts like a parachute to slow and stop the bullet as it penetrates dense soft tissue. If a hollowpoint bullet is propelled too quickly, it will either overexpand and not penetrate deeply enough, or it will fragment. If the bullet fragments, it defeats the purpose of using an expanding bullet. Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness FIREARMS TRAINING UNIT FBI ACADEMY QUANTICO, VIRGINIA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #185 March 26, 2003 Yes, exactly, in handguns. Edit. This is also a 14-year-old study. Corbon, Magtech, Triton have created some very, very fast rounds that are prefragmented in many cases. They have been shown to cause more tissue damage than a conventional hollowpoint in both gelatin and field use. mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #186 March 26, 2003 Quote I think pilot chutes should be illegal! What? You mean they're not? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #187 March 26, 2003 Quote im certain enough about the lack of the bearded old man style god to have completely rejected the notion and anything resembling it you and me both, dude. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #188 March 26, 2003 Ahhh...lost track of the conversation switching to rifle rounds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #189 March 26, 2003 [replyAnd we all know the kind of shit you'd be in if you couldn't finish off such vile rodents quickly! I agree, the .38 is the weapon of choice for home defense when facing down a guinea pig with mayhem and murder on his mind. Of course, if you were to find a sloth, siamese cat or giant tortoise breaking into your house, that S+W .50 might be the better choice. LOL. The only problem with the big gun is you'll be deaf if you try shooting it in the house. Then again, your life 'll be saved from the treachery of the giant mutant tortoise! -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #190 March 26, 2003 yeah, in on one of the many tangents of this troll-spawned thread, firearms use in an urban environment (home defense) evolved. I was trying to explain a new way of thinking. Honestly, I live in the middle of nowhere, so I keep my .300 WinMag Tac rifle at the ready with a full box mag of handloads featuring the 190-gr Swift Sciracco. Just to be sure, you know? mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #191 March 26, 2003 As i learned on a recent skydiving adventure, and I figure it applies to torti (plural?) as well, turtles can be scolded with a simple flick to the nose. mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #192 March 26, 2003 God, I love the dozen or so tangents this thread has taken...This is fun! --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #193 March 26, 2003 Has anyone posted boobies yet? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #194 March 26, 2003 Damn, I don't think they have. If I wasn't at the DZ, I'd post them... --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefallfreak 0 #195 March 26, 2003 Quote God, I love the dozen or so tangents this thread has taken...This is fun! Uhh, any ladies want to date a pro-peace, non-gun loving, tall, slender, young, rich, handsome guy?? Till ya' find him, I'm available...lol. FFF Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #196 March 26, 2003 Quote yeah, in on one of the many tangents of this troll-spawned thread, firearms use in an urban environment (home defense) evolved. I was trying to explain a new way of thinking. Honestly, I live in the middle of nowhere, so I keep my .300 WinMag Tac rifle at the ready with a full box mag of handloads featuring the 190-gr Swift Sciracco. Just to be sure, you know? Mike, I too love my 300 Win. Mag. with nosler partitions, loaded hot, for elk. For home defense I have a short barrelled pump 12 guage, with three inch shells. Hopefully I'll never need it, but it is comforting knowing it's there, if needed. Steve1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #197 March 26, 2003 OK, just to thoroughly round out all the hijacking, I have posted the following. If you have been a good skydiver all your life, and said your prayers, when you finally burn in this is what you will see when you open your eyes: Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #198 March 26, 2003 ugghhh...glad I'm not religious....not a big fan of the veiny, cartoonishly enormous breasts on chicks with butt ugly faces. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #199 March 26, 2003 What kind of assault rifles are the Brits using? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #200 March 26, 2003 Bwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaahahahaaaa. You stole the words right out of my fingertips. mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
