When are we going to finally get rid of guns and war?????

[mnischalke 0]

.38 Super takes care of all that. You can use a heavier bullet and still have higher velocity, higher energy and a flatter trajectory. I mean, look at why IPSC shooters use it.

mike

Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills.

[AggieDave 6]

Quote

when are we going to finally get rid of the guns?

Well, I can't speak for you, but mine will be hard to pry out of my cold dead hand...

(to use a pro-gun super-cliche

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[billvon 2,991]

>but mine will be hard to pry out of my cold dead hand...

Whenever someone says that I picture that scene in "Red Dawn."

[jlmiracle 7]

Quote

just checking, but are there any 'touchy" subjects we've missed in this thread yet?

guns,religion, philosophy, politics hmmm..

What ever happened to the discussion on ducks some time back. If I remember right, it was pretty heated. Jtval was involved, Gawin, and several other.


Judy

Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

[AggieDave 6]

Quote

I mean, look at why IPSC shooters use it.

And look at the guns they use, man we should all carry hot-rods like that for personal defense...

Sorry, I'm not a real big fan of the IPSC.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[AggieDave 6]

Quote

Whenever someone says that I picture that scene in "Red Dawn."

Bwahahahaha

I was thinking of that when I wrote what I did! Good call Bill, good call!

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[Shark 0]

What about an HK?

[Zenister 0]

Quote

Quote

when are we going to finally get rid of the guns?

Well, I can't speak for you, but mine will be hard to pry out of my cold dead hand...

(to use a pro-gun super-cliche

well i'm glad someone creamed that hanging fastball

____________________________________
Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

[AggieDave 6]

Quote

What about an HK?

*drool*

I like H&Ks, always have. My next handgun is a toss-up between a Kimber Ultra-TenII and a H&K USP 45 compact.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[mnischalke 0]

Point being, it is more powerful than a .45 with much less recoil than the .40. It's like a .357 for your semi-auto. It's faster for follow up shots and wickedly accurate, in the right gun. Just because IPSC shooters top their pistols with optics, doesn't mean you can't use the same gun without all the bells and whistles as a carry gun. Mine is a full-size 1911, and in a safariland holster, it's much more comfortable and less wide than any doublestack plastic toy out there.

mike

Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills.

[rgoper 0]

gun totin' redneck cowboy! i hate guns, guns bad, people good. guns fire bullets, kill people bad, very bad. man, get rid of gun before gun corrupt mind! you know i'm fuggin with ya!

--Richard--
"We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

[PhillyKev 0]

HK are nice...but pricey. I was looking at that USP 45 compact, but as this is my first semi-auto, didn't want to splurge too much, and Dave convinced me I didn't need to go with .45 (although Clay argued otherwise).

[AggieDave 6]

Quote

in a safariland holster

Nice.

Quote

it's much more comfortable and less wide than any doublestack plastic toy out there.

You know, two IPSC shooters went through the same tactical pistol course I did, both had very very nicely made 1911 (one was a Baer, the other was just a bench made by a gun-smith). I really pissed them off when, because I out-shot both of them (actually, I was the best shooter there, got the certificate and all) with my "plastic toy". To add insult to injury, the guy with the bench-made 1911 broke his gun, snapped the recoil spring. Then again, I've had 1 malfunction in over 10,000 rounds. It was a stove-pipe that occured because I limp-wristed the HELL out of a shot.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[AggieDave 6]

With the right ammo and the right shooting, 9mm is a nice way to go. You save a lot of money at the range too...a box of 50 9mm plink'n ammo is $6 a box of 50 45 plinking ammo is $10. If you shoot as much as I do, that makes a HUGE difference.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[mnischalke 0]

That's where the .38 Super fails. Ammo availability and price kinda suck, but that's what my Dillon 650 is for.

mike

Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills.

[AggieDave 6]

Now all this talk has put me in a hard place...should I go to the DZ as planned and get 4-5 jumps in today or should I go to the range and shoot a few hundred rounds? Hmmmm...

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[PhillyKev 0]

Can't you just shoot out at the DZ? I thought you could set up a range anywhere you wanted in Texas...actually, I thought it was required to have a range on any parcel of land larger than a half acre.

[AggieDave 6]

Quote

Can't you just shoot out at the DZ?

Oh god, that'd be a wet dream!

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[themaninblack 0]

hmm....thing is i wont call myself an agnostic cause i feel that implies possible belief in the christian god....or am i mistaken as to the exact definition of agnostic? (i hate religious labels anyway) i see it as kind of like the way they used to define electromagnetic phenomena they didnt understand....they used to think radio waves were induced etheric waves or some shit. now we know better....no "ether" as they defined it then. when people talk about "god" theyre usually referring to their picture of great maker deity with an all too human habit of inventing rules to follow. irritable personality. demands praise. heaven and hell are usually involved. i don't know whats out there at the higher levels we cant perceive but i seriously seriously doubt its a bearded old dude thats going to torture me forever for sticking my winkie into a girl who im not married to. or eating meat on a friday. or saying "god is a fink." i think whatevers out there bears as little resemblance to established religious ideas as modern technical knowledge resembles the "ether" they used to think was fact. consider this: look at the big big picture the hubble can see. billions of superclusters and galaxies all very very slowly interacting by gravity and radiation over billions of years. inconceivable interconnected complexity on a scale so vast we can't comprehend it. when you think about it, the really big picture and what we can see of how it works bears an odd resemblance to the brain itself in terms of complexity of interaction and number and volume of participating elements. (stars=neurons?) could well be the universe itself as we know it is alive and sentient but its thoughts take billions of years to occur. we can have as little of an idea of what those thoughts are about as any of our brain cells individually could understand US. that gigascale hypothetical intelligence looks more likely to me than anything else ive heard of and we can actually SEE it, or at least a frozen snapshot of a tiny portion of it. i DO know it doesnt even loosely match the anglo-saxon descriptor "god" with all the common attributes attached to it anyway. call me an open minded atheist if you will. im certain enough about the lack of the bearded old man style god to have completely rejected the notion and anything resembling it and chosen to live my life accordingly....i just don't have anything to replace the concept with. so the sum of all that is my conclusion, no "god." nothing would please me more than to be able to believe there IS a point to everything and SOMEBODY bigger gives a shit, but i think we fend for ourselves. we may be concerned with the well being of our own neurons but its kind of abstract isnt it? you dont think about punishing the 445,789,542nd neuron at address 2f8, 0000f6 on the left side of your cerebellum for being irreverent, do you? nor do you particularly care if that particular neuron lives or dies or does anything....your neurons fend for themselves too.

evolution WILL be served, one way or another!!!! im not jumping, im imitating a reluctant meteor.

[jlmiracle 7]

Quote

Quote

Can't you just shoot out at the DZ?

Oh god, that'd be a wet dream!

If is wasn't for cloudy and/or windy days at the DZ, I would still have never shot a "real" gun. (I had shot a bb gun in gym class in 8th grade). I can't hit the broad side of a barn with a real gun but I did shoot a cow bird with one of those air guns.

Judy

Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

[themaninblack 0]

well good point about the recoil on the .454 although i think the idea of the .454 with the 3$ a shot ammo is, if you aim well, you only need the one shot. for more practical applications than vaporizing guinea pigs and dropping a t-rex in its tracks i prefer a dan wesson .357 mag. simple, tight, foolproof. one cool thing i like about .357 is you can run .38 ammo through it just fine, the recoil then is almost nonexistent and its great for home defense where you might not want to blow a pie-plate sized hole in your intruder and don't want a missed shot to go through the next 6 houses behind yours and bag the little old lady 3 streets down doing her laundry. magnum ammo for most defense purposes is kinda overkill, you know? kind of like the police grade tactical 00 buckshot you can get for a 12 gauge. low recoil, limited destruction, still guaranteed to drop your intruder like a sack of bricks.

evolution WILL be served, one way or another!!!! im not jumping, im imitating a reluctant meteor.

[mnischalke 0]

you've just hit on something that very few people think about. Hollow points (or any personal defense loads other than pre-fragmented or frangible) are not good home defense loads, as studies have shown. They will penetrate semi-solid objects like walls and doors with little loss of energy and while maintaining their overall form. For instance, when a hollowpoint goes through a sheetrock wall, the hollowpoint fills with the sheetrock material and becomes, in effect, a roundnose and will no longer expand until it hits something much harder than wood. Thats bad juju for yer neighbor. Shotguns, depending on the size and weight of the shot, can display the same overpenetration characteristics as a handgun bullet.

On the other hand, a .223 Remington round--specifically the Hornady Tactical Application Police (TAP) round, or any other with a poly tip--will discharge almost all of it's energy immediately after contact with a surface. The TAP round will actually come apart most of the time, therefore reducing its energy so much, when whats left of it goes through the next sheet of drywall, it will generally fall to the ground within a few feet. In a gelatin mold test, the 223 TAP performs wonderfully with a huge shock path and excellent wounding potential.

As for potentially scaring your adversary off, I put pulling and releasing the charging handle of an AR-15/M16 right up there with racking a Remington 870.

mike

Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills.

[Shark 0]

I still think we should increase the night jump requirements for the D license to 4 jumps.

[PhillyKev 0]

Quote

still think we should increase the night jump requirements for the D license to 4 jumps.

You really posted that in this thread with all these people talking about their loaded guns?

[JJohnson 0]

OOOHHHH!, That was dirty pool brother. I think Cypress should be made mandatory NOT to have!!!! HAH top that.

JJ

"Call me Darth Balls"