12+ soldiers un accounted for.... 4 executed on Al Jazeer TV ..

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Kallend.. I am getting the strong indication that by your lack of compassion for our troops and your lack of understanding for what is happening that you have never been in the service???

Unlucky1 is right on... This is bullshit.. Yes war is hell.

This simply shows why we must continue rolling at a relentless rate. IT worries me that we are leaving all these Iraqi soldiers in their so called homes to hijack the rear forces once the main battle groups have moved on.. That strategy is flawed.. Those that are actually putting up resistance should be wiped out in battle.

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Pentagon just got ahold of that news agency and said "You will not air those pictures again or else." BOOOOM!!

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But for a soldier to put a gun to a POW's head, and pull the trigger...you can "justify" that?!?!?!?!?

no,but i still cant find any info about such,it just tell that some were dead,not executed..

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Stefan Faber

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in war times i don't believe anything just because its on tv.
there are too many biased people on the way.

i'm not saying it didnt happen, i'm well aware of the levels of cruelty they can get to.

i do hope i wont get to see it, and even if it did happen live, i hope they'll have the sense never to show it again.

just hope those who are alive will return safely...

O

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

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Pentagon just got ahold of that news agency and said "You will not air those pictures again or else.

Al Jazeer is not based in Iraq from what i can gather.

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They noticed the Iraqi flag on the microphone used to interview the soldiers before they were executed. I am guessing IRaqi cable will be dead soon..

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I watched about 100 bombs fall on a city on live TV on Friday night - I suppose you think there were no innocent people there to be blown to pieces.

If there were, Al Jazeera would be showing footage of the innocent deaths. Why do you suppose they aren't? Don't want to make the Americans look bad? Maybe our bombs are pretty smart?

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i'm watching the "Abu-Dabi" tv now.
they're showing the full "interview" over and over.

i did find some stills from the aljazeera broadcast earlier, pretty disturbing

its unclear from the stills what happened there.

for obvious reasons, i won't post any of these stills.

O

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

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Kallend.. I am getting the strong indication that by your lack of compassion for our troops and your lack of understanding for what is happening that you have never been in the service???

Rule #1. This is your warning.

Everybody - avoid the 48 hour ban. If your post contains the word "you" repeatedly... read it several times before posting it. If you think that by any stretch of anybody's imagination that any part of it might be considered an attack on andybody - DON'T POST IT!

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After all, you do approve of what they are doing.

Nowhere have I seen kallend say that he approves of what Iraq is doing. Don't put words in other's mouths; that is just as much a personal attack as calling them names is.

One more time - if you can't keep your posts from getting personal - DON'T POST THEM!

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"we" as americans knew before going in that "anything, and everything was game" after all, that's what war is. nothing i've seen yet surprises me, i hate to say it but a lot of the things that are now current events were forecasted in these very forums. i fully expected to see a few come back after screaming "kill em' all, let god sort em out" to, man, this suks! let this be your measuring stick as it were if in the future you consider backing any actions of this sort. don't be surprised to see many, many more obscene and cruel pranks in the very near future, their actions have no shock value to me, some of these people, of all nations, and creeds are beneath contempt. after all, war is a very dirty business, and it has no friends and no face, no heart, no soul, that's why they call it war.

--Richard--
"We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

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Holy Shit!! ..... Billvons got hold of rgoper's user id.

Very well put..if not unfortunate.

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Holy Shit!! ..... Billvons got hold of rgoper's user id.

LOL...it certainly sounds like Bill, alright.
But back to the thread; [sour amusement]Holy $#%t, people! Did you really not expect this war of yours to turn ugly? Americans just never cease to amaze me.[/sour amusement]
Right, so sorry about your losses. Those soldiers did not deserve to die any more than the Iraqis. But I guess that's the bad thing about wars- people die in them.

Oh, and regarding the Geneva convention; I hear there's this place called Guantanamo Bay where it doesn't apply. Perhaps there's a twisted kind of justice about your POWs being treated unethically (absurd as it may be to talk about wartime ethics).
Anyway, war sucks. Still; I just made three jumps and the world seems just a little bit better. Later.

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Oh, and regarding the Geneva convention; I hear there's this place called Guantanamo Bay where it doesn't apply. Perhaps there's a twisted kind of justice about your POWs being treated unethically (absurd as it may be to talk about wartime ethics).
Anyway, war sucks.

Yea, gee -- you are so right. There's just no moral difference going on here. War, terrorism, it's all the same. Whether its removing a dictator who supports terrorism and tortures and kills his own people, or flying jets into a skyscraper, it's all the same horrible, twisted kind of thing. Screw the Geneva Convention. Let's go roll over some cars.

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War's no fun when the other side fights back.

That statement would be quite appropriate had someone posted about a battle in which Americans lost their lives to Iraqi forces, and expressed the opinion that we should start killing Iraqi's indiscriminately in response. As this is not the case, I wonder if your callous indifference will be extended to any American troops accused of torturing or killing Iraqi POW's.

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>That statement would be quite appropriate had someone posted about a battle in which Americans lost their lives to Iraqi forces, and expressed the opinion that we should start killing Iraqi's indiscriminately in response.

Very first post of this thead: Carpet bomb those fuckers!!

I'm not sure how you can carpet bomb just military instaliations in a city and not hit other targets. I'm all about limiting the targets to avoid civilian targets but I think carpet bombing falls out side percision targeting.

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and regarding the Geneva convention; I hear there's this place called Guantanamo Bay where it doesn't apply. Perhaps there's a twisted kind of justice about your POWs being treated unethically (absurd as it may be to talk about wartime ethics).

The IRaqi's are calling us war criminals and terrorists just like we are to them. They are attempting to turn our own words against us and use it as an excuse to kill our soldiers in captivity. I agree with Rog. Things are going to get dirtier. That reality is very upsetting.

I am noticing from the reports on TV that our troops are beginning to expect double crosses from Iraqi's that are acting like they are surrendering.

I think the idea of let them lay down their weapons and go home stinks to high heaven and if that doesn't change it is going to cost the Coalition many lives. Who says they don't have weapons in the squad bays.

God help them.. These Marines are clearing these cities house by house now. What a dirty, dangerous job. My prayers are with them..

Rhino

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That statement would be quite appropriate had someone posted about a battle in which Americans lost their lives to Iraqi forces

iraquis are taking american lives right now, british lives as well.

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and expressed the opinion that we should start killing Iraqi's indiscriminately in response. As this is not the case

this is happening right now as well, and it is the case.

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I wonder if your callous indifference will be extended to any American troops accused of torturing or killing Iraqi POW's

we are just as bad as anyone else when it comes to "extracting information" don't think we're not. we're talking about a country who not only conspired but covered up the assination of one of our own president's in 1963, never mind this guy had a "contract" on the cuban leader, yeah, we're just as cruel as everybody else. i know a man who i shall not reveal for obvious reasons, he was in a "special ops" outfit in the 50's. he told me the commander would give them photographs of certain individuals who needed to "be removed" they went and acheived every mission objective. i won't elaborate, the details are fugly.

--Richard--
"We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

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I agree with you man.

Although I retired from the Army in 1999, I want to be put back on active duty.

I hate death - period - it's ugly on both sides - but that place needs to be turned into a huge ashtray.

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Very first post of this thead: Carpet bomb those fuckers!!

This was a response to the accusations that Iraqis have executed American POW's, not simply a response to the fact that Americans have died at the hands of Iraqis in battle. That was the essential point of my post. To propose that we should carpet bomb (altering our current methods) simply because the Iraqis are fighting back (in battle) would make Kallend's response quite appropriate. But in this case it has been posited that because Iraqis have shown (if the accusations are true) their willingness to kill opposition forces indiscriminately, perhaps we should no longer concern ourselves with attempting to minimize civilian and other unnecessary casualties.

That should clarify the first sentence of my last post.

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RGoper, I must commend you on your ability to chop up a post and obscure the entire thing. You quoted the end of once sentence with the beginning of another. Please go back to my original post and notice the section "As this is not the case" and see if you can figure out what this was referring to. Your chop job makes it appear that I said it was not the case that we are killing Iraqis indiscriminately. While I don't believe we are, that is NOT what I wrote. Please pay closer attention, it saves a lot of bandwidth.

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War is an unacceptable answer to just about anything but direct attack. We attacked Japan (and its allies) after the bombing at Pearl Harbor. Entirely appropriate. Kuwait asked for help in eliminating the Iraqi invasion in 1991. Again appropriate, although not quite as direct.

There was an attack on the World Trade Center. There is a large contingent of people who basically feel that someone should pay. We've been looking diligently for OBL, who was harbored by Afghanistan. We attacked Afghanistan, again, there's some cause and effect there.

In the case of Saddam Hussein, the cause-and-effect is tenuous. He has weapons of mass destruction, and he's a really bad man in violation of UN resolutions. There are others. I realize that you have to start somewhere, if you're going to start at all.

BUT: since we've stepped way outside of the war-in-response-to-attack paradigm, we have to accept that the people whose country we're invading will too. They also love their country. I'm sure, since we've moved in, that there are people who want to carpet bomb the US and British Army positions. There are probably discussions there about how nice it would be if the US were to disappear.

Think this is unacceptable? Well, what makes them different from us? If people were here invading us, do you really think that some of the um. hotter-headed among us would hesitate to "disappear" someone they saw as an invader?

I'm not accusing anyone in particular. I really mean that. Particularly not the poster this is responding to -- it's just the last post in the thread.

But we, as a country, can't expect people from other cultures to hold the same values we do. Therefore, what's completely and totally unacceptable to us is fairly normal somewhere else. And something minor to us can be a huge problem as well.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Oh Wendy, you are being such a liberal democat, that is not how you are supposed to debate. Firstly, you are using logic, reason and compassion. Secondly, you make your points lucidly without resorting to hysteria and xenophobia. And thirdly you're grammar and speling is way to good.

Not a very patriotic American are you?

Will